I'm glad you decided that on limited games by both. I hope you don't have children. You would have put them up for adoption if they weren't talking within 15 minutes of popping out.
Gabriel Obertan | 2010/11 Performances
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I'm glad you decided that on limited games by both. I hope you don't have children. You would have put them up for adoption if they weren't talking within 15 minutes of popping out.
It always is these days but Obertan hardly set the world alight when he got on the ball. Im not bashing him (i dont do that to young players) but i dont see the same quality a lot here do, granted im not the best at judging young players i dont see that 'spark' i got when i see a few of our other players.
Like... most of the forum
Correct, there was barely any inventiveness or creativity from Carrick and Fletcher today.
I've not really been impressed by him yet, but I think he was alright today. There were several worse players on the pitch this afternoon.
It'll come for him. He's progressed from last year.
He was far better when he moved wide. His anticipation is very poor at times, he's just standing around when the balls bobbling near him. Also he really should be more direct at times with the pace he has.
Yeah it's a bit odd with him - he has so much ability, but he seems lost how best to use it a lot of the time.
Somewhat evident with his lack of movement for Scholesy's passes
Am I the only one who thinks he's looking a real prospect?
Considering how raw he was just a few months ago, I think he's matured amazingly fast. Consistently good decision-making, plus he seems to have filled out a bit already.
If anything, I'd say he's being a bit too responsible, he could take some risks and play with a bit more freedom.
I like him. Even his head's growing on me (not literally... that would be grotesque).
Considering how raw he was just a few months ago, I think he's matured amazingly fast. Consistently good decision-making, plus he seems to have filled out a bit already.
If anything, I'd say he's being a bit too responsible, he could take some risks and play with a bit more freedom.
I like him. Even his head's growing on me (not literally... that would be grotesque).
Nah, I like him too.
There's definitely talent there.
I just hope he goes a bit more Nani than Ryan Babel.
He really does have the talent - to an extent that is rare. He can beat his man, he can shoot, he can pass, and he can hold the ball. So, yes, he has a big chance.
No, I'm in agreement with you. He's just starting to get his PL game together now and I'm sure that once he gets a few starts under his belt, along with a few goals, his confidence will be up and we'll have quite a player on our hands.
Agreed, his issues seem to be more with the mental side of the game rather than ability.
I do think he needs to really impress when given the chance with Cleverley potentially back in January adding to the competition for places.
Cleverley is almost the opposite. His talent looked nothing special, or at least it did a couple of years ago, but his attitude seems spot on and his improvement has been fantastic.
Yep, agree with all of that.
I think he has impressed. Not so much with his performances, because they've been mixed but he's impressed with the class he's shown on the ball at times. He's got so many great attributes, I'm sure Fergie is willing to be patient.
There's been flashes in games but not enough in my opinion. He looks more effective as an impact sub when the game is more open to me.
Not enough for what though?
I think he's done enough to prove he's got a lot of potential. Which is good enough for the time being. He's still three years younger than Nani (for example)
I think he's done enough to prove he's got a lot of potential. Which is good enough for the time being. He's still three years younger than Nani (for example)
Yes but Nani three years ago was better. Wouldn't put him in the same bracket as Nani. Obertan is clueless at times and his first touch is very random. He has a long way to go.
He's had a chance in recent weeks to make a real play for the attacking midfield spot and hasn't done enough to put a real marker down.
Even when Nani was at his inconsistent best there was always end product, whereas with Obertan you get some promise and flashes of talent but very little end product.
I'd like to seem him kick on and I thought that Bursapor might have been the moment where things might click for him but I'm been largely underwhelmed with him since. I guess there's also an element of being frustrated with a player who is more talented than many not making the best use of his ability.
He looks to have the talent. I personally think he lacks belief in himself. Once he feels part of the first team set-up and the confidence that will bring he'll suddenly start fulfilling his potential.
I don't know. He reminds me of a seal. He's given a ball and he does something with it. When he's not playing with a ball I can imagine him just staring out to thin air. Kind of like Danny the Dog or something like that.
Really?
I think Obertan is linking up with the team and getting involved with the game better than Nani did 3 or even 2 years ago.
Nani has always had the ability to pull a goal or cross from nowhere but I think Obertan's learning curve has been steady and steep enough and if it continues as it has been then I think we could have three quality wingers to rotate, two of which can play either wing and they can all offer something different. A very rich position to be in.
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He's had a handful of starts. If he's going to consistently do the business for us it won't be for a season or two.
Nani hardly played 2 years ago because of injury.
Nani three years ago had the 2nd most assists. And he didn't take corners or free kicks. He was also constantly int the first team squad despite it being his freshman year in England with probably no English at all and more competition for place.
Can't believe you're comparing Obertan to that. He's been in what, 7 games now?
Not a chance he'll become a first team player in the next 3 years. No way. You can quote me on that in three years.
Nani three years ago had the 2nd most assists. And he didn't take corners or free kicks. He was also constantly int the first team squad despite it being his freshman year in England with probably no English at all and more competition for place.
Can't believe you're comparing Obertan to that. He's been in what, 7 games now?
Not a chance he'll become a first team player in the next 3 years. No way. You can quote me on that in three years.
As strange as that statement is, I actually agree with it. He has a lot of potential and I think that he does need more games and chances. He is good when he has the ball, but does sometimes seem a bit lost without it.
This part of your post I strongly disagree with. I think the lad is gonna be an exceptional player in a few years time.
He may be (by today's standards) a bit of a late bloomer, but his quality on the ball is there to see. And he's at the right club for his development.
Simply not true. His first season with us was very positive, and he didn't play much in the second because he played badly.
But no two players are alike so trying to make direct comparisons is a problem anyway.
He's had a handful of starts. If he's going to consistently do the business for us it won't be for a season or two.
See the other posts from Pexbo and Snow .
I've seen pretty much all his reserve games too so am not just judging him on a few games. Of course he still has time, but he also has competition on the horizon with Cleverley and also Bebe who has that directness and goal threat that he lacks currently.
He's not really a late bloomer. He was highly regarded as a youngster and coveted by Chelsea, amongst others, and made his Bordeaux debut as an 17 year old with a lot of hype around him however his development stalled and we took a gamble on him.
Yes pretty much. He also got injured which hindered match fitness and then Fergie kinda locked him out.
I think you're talking about Nani's season number 3, which of course took a turn for the better in January.
Definite re-writing of history. Took a lot of corners, and to my memory wasn't ever out injured for a long time. He was shockingly frustrating a few years ago Nani, to the point where if there was a wrong decision that could possibly be made he would be sure to find it.
No no. I was wrong that he was injured a lot but he did get injured amongst his outing from the team which just made it take longer for him to get into the good graces of SAF again.
I'm not confusing it with his collarbone injury.
Didn't take a lot of corners. Now he takes a lot of corners. But then we had Giggs, Hargreaves, Carrick, Rooney and even Tevez taking them as well. He was far from first choice. Now Carrick and Rooney don't come near the corners, Tevez isn't with us and Hargreaves is AWOL.
Sure he was frustrating but I find Obertan also frustrating. I'm not quite sure what he does. Links up play? That seems to be the descriptive for a person who doesn't do much in a game. If Nani would only link up play well everyone would call him useless.
Of course its going to be a difficult one to prove but I'd be willing to wager that when Nani was on the pitch he took more corners than anyone else. Its something I specifically remember as I was interested/impressed that such a new and young player would be given the responsibility.
I remember it that if the corner was on the left the first right footed player pretty much took it. I remember Rooney taking a lot of corners and not being very good at it. I remember Hargreaves being the only one putting decent balls in the box with an ok rate but we were still pretty shit like we are now. Difference was we had Ronaldo to go with Vidic.
You remember wrong. Just like you remember wrong about that alleged injury afflicted season. Nani has always taken corners.
Like what I'm seeing from the 'Tan. Strong, pacey, good technique, and one hell of a shot. Needs work, but I think we might have a gem here. Rafael and Hernandez' careers are pretty much guaranteed at this club, and I think Obertan will be a third.
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