Gabriel Obertan | 2009/10 Performances

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What the feck? Seriously, what the feck?

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I was being sarcastic people. SARCASTIC. I've read more than once here "why the feck does Valencia passes the ball to the back?" Well it's pretty obvious, if you've got Neville behind you in a good crossing position I guess is pretty obvious why you do it.
 
Isnt that what those funny little smiley faces are for. That one that winks would work to show you are being sarcastic.

It is very difficult to tell when you are reading at the best of times, and more so when you dont know the people involved (or their intellect).
 
You know this whole 'knock the ball to the touchline and cross the ball' is actually quite a direct technique.

Being indirect isn't a problem for Valencia IMHO.

How about when you arent in that position and always knock it back, or if you are against a good quality left back who will exploit this and actually force you inside. All im saying is in those situations Nani (perhaps even Obertan) has looked more dangerous than Valencia
 
not that i dont appreciatte people taking the time to make these clips but why they feel the need to add music to a 1.30 long comp of fairly unspectacular highlights is beyond me...:confused:

I think if they have the commentary talking Youtube would take it down due to copyright violations.
 
I think it is. I feel the one thing holding him back is his lack of variety. If he was a great crosser of the ball and did that everytime I don't think anyone would complain. But his crosses don't seem to have that loop to them, their either smashed in the general direction of the striker or dinked in the general area. If he could become a crosser in the league of an Ashley it would work much much better.

Even so IMO he needs to add some variety to his game. It's all very predictable. And while you'll never come away from a big game thinking how useless he was, he doesn't look like he'll ever stand out in them either. And I think he's better than that. With his pace he should be impacting games more.

But yes I do like that he's solid, quick and physically strong. He has a lot of things going for him too.

Right, so the one thing holding him back is his lack if variety, and thus isn't his supposed indirectness.

I never said otherwise.

How about when you arent in that position and always knock it back, or if you are against a good quality left back who will exploit this and actually force you inside. All im saying is in those situations Nani (perhaps even Obertan) has looked more dangerous than Valencia

Which isn't the same as saying Nani's more direct than Valencia. I think Nani's more dangerous, I also think he's more indirect.

There we go, sorted.
 
was his least inspiring cameo today. Good footwork but some off colour short passes and seemed unwilling to take on the defender.

Does he start besiktas or is it nani? or both?

I agree.
Strange performance from him, looked completely lost on the pitch
 
Wouldn't say completely lost but he ran into odd positions a few times when Evra was on the ball rather than making himself available. By no means any need for much negativity though. I'd start Nani against Besiktas, and bring Obertan on in the 2nd half if Nani isn't working.
 
Wouldn't say completely lost but he ran into odd positions a few times when Evra was on the ball rather than making himself available. By no means any need for much negativity though. I'd start Nani against Besiktas, and bring Obertan on in the 2nd half if Nani isn't working.

aye, wasnt meant to be negative just more of an update for those not able to see the game.

He was a bit off-colour today but nothing to worry about. With us qualified and its considered a relatively easy game at home I wouldnt be surprised to see Nani/Obertan on the wings. Perhaps then if Nani is being Nani, hargo could spot in for the last 20 minutes (assuming hes back, I thought I read somewhere they were targeting these last CL games)
 
Wouldn't say completely lost but he ran into odd positions a few times when Evra was on the ball rather than making himself available. By no means any need for much negativity though. I'd start Nani against Besiktas, and bring Obertan on in the 2nd half if Nani isn't working.

I agree. Nothing to worry about I'm sure the lad has enough talent to make it at United, and his previous performances were pretty decent.
 
Did well enough for me. His very first contribution was terrible (which usually colours opinions) but after that he did quite well. His passing is decent and he's quick as feck. Be interested to hear opinions from people at the game. It looked as though his best contribution in the game - when he broke the length of the pitch - was largely missed by the TV cameras.

The best thing about him is that he almost always retains possession. After the first mighty feck-up, did he give the ball away once?
 
Yea wtf was that about, we're breaking off and the camera is on an Everton player stood in our goal!

Cant remember him losing possession again, not sure. The main thing I noticed that wasn't great was when Evra was running at the defender he took up a position that made him completely useless rather than moving in to space. It wasn't every time obviously but it was a few times I think.
 
Cant remember him losing possession again, not sure. The main thing I noticed that wasn't great was when Evra was running at the defender he took up a position that made him completely useless rather than moving in to space. It wasn't every time obviously but it was a few times I think.

Noticed that as well.
Seemed to be nervous again
 
Did well enough for me. His very first contribution was terrible (which usually colours opinions) but after that he did quite well. His passing is decent and he's quick as feck. Be interested to hear opinions from people at the game. It looked as though his best contribution in the game - when he broke the length of the pitch - was largely missed by the TV cameras.

The best thing about him is that he almost always retains possession. After the first mighty feck-up, did he give the ball away once?

He generally plays the right ball and quickly which is good. His movement off the ball is excellent too, Owen might have played him in once instead of trying to find Giggsy.
 
Looked at bit stoned at one point today! People need to relax with him. I read someone say "he really is special" today either a very sarcastic comment or someone going way over the top.

That said I like the lad and think he'll do well for us.
 
Looks a neat player with bags of pace. But nothing to write home about just yet.
 
Not sure nerves are an issue with him but it could be. I think it might just be that he needs to get used to playing with us and better anticipate Evra's movement.

He always seems to take a few touches to get his touch right, adapt to the pace of the pitch etc. He tends to receive the ball with an open stance and try and roll over the ball with his right to get it into his path which isn't easy to do from cold. This is what he messed up the first time on his OT debut when he ran it out of play and a few other times.
 
Yea I noticed that with him rolling his foot over the ball. I'm sure if it's causing him problems it'll soon get coached out of him.
 
Did well enough for me. His very first contribution was terrible (which usually colours opinions) but after that he did quite well. His passing is decent...
Agree all around. I like his passing every time I see him. When he has the ball in the final third, his passes generally put a teammate into a more dangerous attacking position. And he "releases" the ball very quickly.
 
Looked at bit stoned at one point today! People need to relax with him. I read someone say "he really is special" today either a very sarcastic comment or someone going way over the top.

That said I like the lad and think he'll do well for us.

You sure they werent calling him "special" because of his head?
 
Agree all around. I like his passing every time I see him. When he has the ball in the final third, his passes generally put a teammate into a more dangerous attacking position. And he "releases" the ball very quickly.

Key. Valencia's improving but he always seems to hesitate after bringing the ball under control. Oberman seems very aware.
 
Did well enough for me. His very first contribution was terrible (which usually colours opinions) but after that he did quite well. His passing is decent and he's quick as feck. Be interested to hear opinions from people at the game. It looked as though his best contribution in the game - when he broke the length of the pitch - was largely missed by the TV cameras.

The best thing about him is that he almost always retains possession. After the first mighty feck-up, did he give the ball away once?

I was at the game. I was in East Stand slightly towards our right wing so I didn't get the best view of most of his touches. I was actually very interested to see what you lot made of his performance, as you probably had a better view than me, dodgy camera work aside.

First involvement aside he looked excellent to me. Very fast, made himself available for the pass quite well, visibly troubled the Everton defence, and generally just seemed to give us some fresh impetus when he came on. Dare I say it, it wasn't that dissimilar to some of Ronaldo's earlier cameos.

At the risk of a getting a torrent of abuse by comparing him to Nani prematurely, he seems to release the ball quickly and accurately when he's already decided he's not going to try to beat his marker, whereas Nani tends to fanny about for a bit regardless before making a pass. I'm not saying he's a better option than Nani just yet, but his ability to release the ball quickly is a definite advantage.

That breakaway (from one of their corners I think?) was comfortably his best bit of play. Excellent skill and pace, and great awareness to release the ball when he did. He was a bit unlucky that we didn't make more of it.

I'm not a regular matchgoer by any means, but overall he's well ahead of where I expected him to be by now. Looks genuinely capaable of making a match-changing intervention from the bench, and I think he'll get a fair bit of playing time over the next few months.
 
Looked at bit stoned at one point today! People need to relax with him. I read someone say "he really is special" today either a very sarcastic comment or someone going way over the top.

That said I like the lad and think he'll do well for us.

He's just a very difficult player to judge at this point, but he's exciting enough that its hard not to offer some sort of opinion! He's a few years behind schedule development-wise by all accounts due to injuries, and all we've got to go on before he signed are reports that he's nowhere near developed enough for us and others that he's up there with the likes of Ben Arfa, Menez etc in terms of natural ability. Also in his very short time on the pitch for us so far he's tended to veer between the very exciting and the utterly awful.

It'll probably take a few months and a couple of starting appearances before we're able to make a measured judgement on him, but at the moment I'd rather see people go a bit overboard than be needlessly cynical about him. I'm not suggesting he's an avid Redcafe reader, but he does seem to be a very nervous type - the quicker the crowd get behind him the better imo.
 
He's just a very difficult player to judge at this point, but he's exciting enough that its hard not to offer some sort of opinion! He's a few years behind schedule development-wise by all accounts due to injuries, and all we've got to go on before he signed are reports that he's nowhere near developed enough for us and others that he's up there with the likes of Ben Arfa, Menez etc in terms of natural ability. Also in his very short time on the pitch for us so far he's tended to veer between the very exciting and the utterly awful.

It'll probably take a few months and a couple of starting appearances before we're able to make a measured judgement on him, but at the moment I'd rather see people go a bit overboard than be needlessly cynical about him.

My thoughts exactly, if we look at it hes only really come back from injury and played a few reserve games and about 120min in the first team. Like you said i think we have to wait a few months to see the best of Obertan and let him develop from then
 
My thoughts exactly, if we look at it hes only really come back from injury and played a few reserve games and about 120min in the first team. Like you said i think we have to wait a few months to see the best of Obertan and let him develop from then

Yep, anything we get from him this entire season is a bonus really. That said, I wouldn't be too surprised to see him stake a claim for a starting role on the left wing at some point - that position is wide open when Giggs is being rested, and if he gets his fitness up to par he looks well capable of giving the Hulls and the Boltons of the league some problems.
 
I'm not convinced. Obertan looks very raw.

That's not a big problem - he is raw and it was to be expected at this stage. What he does seem to have is skill and raw pace in abundance, good positional sense and good variety in his play - in his short time on the pitch for us he's looked both capable of beating his man and playing some good, basic one-touch football. That's plenty to work with, given his great reputation as a youth player and the lack of outstanding alternatives in his position. It was always going to be a speculative signing anyway - he's easily shown enough to suggest he could have a good future with us, which is all we could have asked for at this stage.
 
I was at the game. I was in East Stand slightly towards our right wing so I didn't get the best view of most of his touches. I was actually very interested to see what you lot made of his performance, as you probably had a better view than me, dodgy camera work aside.

First involvement aside he looked excellent to me. Very fast, made himself available for the pass quite well, visibly troubled the Everton defence, and generally just seemed to give us some fresh impetus when he came on. Dare I say it, it wasn't that dissimilar to some of Ronaldo's earlier cameos.

At the risk of a getting a torrent of abuse by comparing him to Nani prematurely, he seems to release the ball quickly and accurately when he's already decided he's not going to try to beat his marker, whereas Nani tends to fanny about for a bit regardless before making a pass. I'm not saying he's a better option than Nani just yet, but his ability to release the ball quickly is a definite advantage.

That breakaway (from one of their corners I think?) was comfortably his best bit of play. Excellent skill and pace, and great awareness to release the ball when he did. He was a bit unlucky that we didn't make more of it.

I'm not a regular matchgoer by any means, but overall he's well ahead of where I expected him to be by now. Looks genuinely capaable of making a match-changing intervention from the bench, and I think he'll get a fair bit of playing time over the next few months.

Thanks for that.

That bit in bold is key for me. It's the reason he so rarely concedes possession. He comes across as your typical flaky, tricksy winger but he very rarely gives the ball away, which is really unusual for this type of player and a real bonus IMO.
 
I like him. In fact his pace, skills and running reminds me of young Ronaldo. He is also everywhere and he is already better than Nani IMO. To be honest he has the real potential despite his peanuts shape head. He will be unstoppable once he gets his raw talents right.
 
That's not a big problem - he is raw and it was to be expected at this stage. What he does seem to have is skill and raw pace in abundance, good positional sense and good variety in his play - in his short time on the pitch for us he's looked both capable of beating his man and playing some good, basic one-touch football. That's plenty to work with, given his great reputation as a youth player and the lack of outstanding alternatives in his position. It was always going to be a speculative signing anyway - he's easily shown enough to suggest he could have a good future with us, which is all we could have asked for at this stage.

Well said. Clearly very nervous when given a chance, but the boy has talent
 
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