To be fair, he looks to be the best player named Gabriel Obertan to ever play for the club.
Gabriel Obertan | 2009/10 Performances
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Bollox
How far have we fallen in the space of 6 months?
Talking up a really quite average 15 minute cameo as the second coming of christ that's how far some United fans have fallen
As I said originally had Obertan's debut today been for Liverpool and a Liverpool fan was on here talking him up the way people have been here he'd of been told in a not so nice around way to do one
When you look at other wingers in world football what we saw from Obertan today was nothing short of average but lets all delude ourselves into thinking he's great eh
He played a lot more than 15 minutes.
Oh, stop talking absolute bollocks.
You make a good impression of a Liverpool fan, actually.
Most football fans are muppets. Shows in this thread, both by those talking up his cameo appearance and those slagging him off.
Wow thanks for your constructive reply
I'm not slagging him off whatsoever (well other than stating the obvious fact that he missed a sitter)
Personally I dont feel his appearance deservers praise or negativity but seems most on here have a need to convince themselves that he's going to be the answer to the teams problems
That's where you make yourself sound a bit thick.
He shouldn't be judged against other wingers in world football. He should be judged as a 20 year old lad, just back from a long-term injury, playing for a new team, in a new league, on his debut. All we could hope for was some encouraging signs and that's what we got (in amongst a seriously nervous, error-filled performance)
Feel free to take the piss out of people who are getting over-excited about what they saw but they come out of this discussion with more credit than people who expected him to put in a performance up their with the best wingers in world football.
football fans... what a bunch of blinkered spackersThis is what he did:
Ran the ball out of play for no reason
Played two, possibly three crosses straight into the first man from promising positions
Missed a good chance
Missed an absolute sitter
Gave an unnecessary free-kick away
That's it. Yes he 'found space'... er, it was the last twenty minutes of a game against a crap team desperate for an equaliser.
He's probably a good player, but he was clearly absolutely terrible today.
I hope this helps
No, sorry I can't have people like that. People on here aren't treating him like the second coming, he's gotten a mixed reaction to his debut so we aren't exactly falling over ourselves yet but we recognise the potential and are excited by it but as always, some dick has to come along and put people down by saying we're bigging him up more than we should and shame on us for doing so. Yes the lad made some mistakes today and missed a few sitters but he also showed some potential as to what he can do.
I think his running off the ball into space is very good. His link up and general play is tidy.
Someone made a point about us not getting in behind them until he came on but berbatovs goal really changed the game. They were sitting back all the time before hand really relying on set pieces to create chances
He's quick feet and I think with a better end product we'd all agree he's potentially very good.
It's just the final ball never happened for him today but today and in the cup game, he showed good promise
Look anyone can miss. The one he put past the post, he was aiming for the corner and scuffed it. If he smashes it chances are he scores but when you aim for a corner the fact is you can easily miss the target. The other effort was a bad contact.
The fact he got himself in those positions is pleasing
Someone made a point about us not getting in behind them until he came on but berbatovs goal really changed the game. They were sitting back all the time before hand really relying on set pieces to create chances
He's quick feet and I think with a better end product we'd all agree he's potentially very good.
It's just the final ball never happened for him today but today and in the cup game, he showed good promise
Look anyone can miss. The one he put past the post, he was aiming for the corner and scuffed it. If he smashes it chances are he scores but when you aim for a corner the fact is you can easily miss the target. The other effort was a bad contact.
The fact he got himself in those positions is pleasing
Surely as a winger and one that people are talking up as being excited by should be showing signs that other players in his position show?
That is unless this player is completely revolutionising football and inventing a whole new position?
I'm not for one second saying I expected to see him doing things that Ronaldo and Messi do, I'm not even expecting him to do things that the likes of Lennon or Shawn Wright Phillips do in fact I didn't have any expectations for him to do anything yet we find ourselves with a 2 page thread mostly of people saying oh he did this really well, he did that really well, it's all really quite pathetic and sad and is what we'd say again if it was a Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea fan talking up one of their players after that level of cameo
Well, reading some of your posts, I think your problem is that you don't like people being positive. About anything. Apart from HIV.
He did show signs though.
He did a lot of really crap stuff but there were clearly encouraging signs. Looked considerably more threatening than the player he replaced for a start. End product was comically inept but he got into great positions, is very quick and generally passed the ball well.
It was a poor debut but you could clearly see potential in the bloke.
Was funny this debut. With his first touch i was cheering him to run with the ball and he just ran it out of play. The 2nd time he had a weak shot. Then when he missed that chance i could not watch the replay.
I hope he is just nervous and time will tell but its a good job we won that match, come on people, everyone who hates united would have buried the guy.
I hope he is just nervous and time will tell but its a good job we won that match, come on people, everyone who hates united would have buried the guy.
I guess that's relative to what you expect a winger playing for Manchester United should be capable of doing
Based on today (which is unfair to the extreme) I wasn't impressed and couldn't see anything that leads me to think he'll go on to be a first team player but then it was only 15-20 minutes maybe given a full game or at least an hour he'd of had a bigger chance to make an impact
If you look at the sitter he missed, Owen very slightly put him off.
What do you expect a winger playing for Manchester United to be able to do?
Surely we are reading too much in to this debut, he's done well in his two other games..relax, yes he fecked up but he also done some other stuff well.
Promising cameo, although obviously nervous and made a few sloppy mistakes and missed a sitter.
It's easy to see the potential though which is why people are excited about him and the pace and movement give us another option. He's got tricks and can beat a man and seems to have a good football brain so the raw materials are there.
It's easy to see the potential though which is why people are excited about him and the pace and movement give us another option. He's got tricks and can beat a man and seems to have a good football brain so the raw materials are there.
I also think the keeper did well to rush off his line, but yeah, he should've buried it.
He did make an impact though.
I'd rather see him getting in great positions and fecking them up than be completely anonymous.
Apart from not running in a straight line with his first play in the league, scuffing a good chance (or not making an easy pass to Rooney who was in a great position) and somehow missing an open goal (thank the lord we didn't need it) it was quite a good debut.
Probably the worst debut I've ever seen, including Ray Parlour's, which is saying something.
That's what Nani does though, you telling me you're not being left completely frustrated by him at the moment?
Not a brilliant debut but I chalked it up to nerves, which is understandable.
I dunno actually striking the ball when 4 yards from goal rather than passing it back to their keeper
Not missing a near open goal
Not doing either of the above would be great
Don't you think you're being a tad too harsh? Just a tad?
Nervous debut, but showed glimpses of whats to come. I stood after his first run (albeit, ending with him running into touch!) and didnt sit down for 20 minutes!
Its wrong to say he was better than Valencia, who's getting getter with every game. Class act, and sooo powerful!
No, Obertan looks like a VERY exciting player, and once he gets over his nerves we'll have some player on our hands.
Nani will either rise to this new challenge, or be shipped out.... its up to him
Its wrong to say he was better than Valencia, who's getting getter with every game. Class act, and sooo powerful!
No, Obertan looks like a VERY exciting player, and once he gets over his nerves we'll have some player on our hands.
Nani will either rise to this new challenge, or be shipped out.... its up to him
To be honest I think he did well. I don't think he was poor.
The way he made space in the box was very good and the 'crosses' - it's difficult, he was perhaps looking for players rather then playing it in dangerous areas for players to attack. It's tough with so many players in the box.
I mean his first run, I think he was a bit 'cold' and his legs gave way and his bearings were a bit off
I think if he'd have taken one of those chances, he'd have had a very good debut. As it stands, I think he was good considering. I mean he was on the bench watching for long periods a very difficult game for us - the crowd were getting edgy
I think if he'd have came on at a point where we were winning 3 nil, it'd have been different but he has plenty of time to work on his final ball
The way he made space in the box was very good and the 'crosses' - it's difficult, he was perhaps looking for players rather then playing it in dangerous areas for players to attack. It's tough with so many players in the box.
I mean his first run, I think he was a bit 'cold' and his legs gave way and his bearings were a bit off
I think if he'd have taken one of those chances, he'd have had a very good debut. As it stands, I think he was good considering. I mean he was on the bench watching for long periods a very difficult game for us - the crowd were getting edgy
I think if he'd have came on at a point where we were winning 3 nil, it'd have been different but he has plenty of time to work on his final ball
Not in terms of the sitters no
Maybe I'm being pessimistic in terms of how he did on his debut today but I'd rather be that than someone who suggests he'll be this and he'll be that and he can do this and that a look like a fool if in 2 years time if he's playing in the Scottish First Division
Hey fingers crossed he surprises everyone and turns out to be brilliant
Nani did nothing, literally nothing, of note in his entire time on the pitch today. I honestly can't think of a single cross, shot, pass, run or anything constructive he contributed.
Obertan shouldn't be compared with him anyway. Big difference between what we should expect from someone in his third year at the club and someone in his first 15 minutes.
This is what he did:
Ran the ball out of play for no reason
Played two, possibly three crosses straight into the first man from promising positions
Missed a good chance
Missed an absolute sitter
Gave an unnecessary free-kick away
That's it. Yes he 'found space'... er, it was the last twenty minutes of a game against a crap team desperate for an equaliser.
He's probably a good player, but he was clearly absolutely terrible today.
I hope this helps
Jaysus, and you talk about others being 'blinkered' !!
Sure he did those things, but he also:-
scared a couple of decent defenders with his pace - and what pace!
completely skinned the full back with a great trick that almost setup a goal
Played a series of one touch passes with 'new' team mates, showing excellent awareness
got into a great position to score TWICE
showed his strength on the ball
showed a fantastic first touch
He's exciting, and once his nerves settle down, watch him go.
Blinkered indeed. sigh
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