Future planning - Replacing Carrick



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@Invictus He's my most realistic choice,
Rasendori said:
Ruben Neves

He has an expansive passing range, which allows him to ping passes to the flanks with consummate ease. Very much like Alonso in that respect. However, and perhaps inconsequential at this moment of time, he doesn't yet consistently make those incisive probing passes between the lines. Additionally, he's fairly mobile and skilful which allows him to gracefully avoid players that come within close proximity, by performing an instinctive piece of trickery. At Real Madrid, particularly under the guidance under Jose, Alonso often played in a 4-2-3-1 with a defensive box to box midfielder alongside him, like Khedira, and Ozil as the no.10 ahead of him Similarly, we should be looking at a box to box midfielder with great defensive capabilities to compensate for Neves' defensive frailties, as well as the fact that Pogba looked more liberated with a midfield that had more defensive solidarity, than he had in his 1st season at Juve. Neves is no stranger to having a meteoric rise as exemplified by the fact he bypassed both the U19s, and B team, and he's the youngest Portuguese player to grace the Champions League, which means we would be in good stead of having a player with a high ceiling.


Johannes Geis

Amazing technique. He can put a formidable amount of pressure on the ball with little back lift. He's great at corners, direct and indirect free kicks, crosses in open play, picking out players situated on either flank, irrespective of where he is on the pitch, and shooting from distance. He's very similar to Alonso. Unfortunately, Geis is overly keen to hit those cross field diagonal balls which can make his style tedious as the game wares on. He's also immobile, and disconcertingly reckless in the tackle.

Jorginho

Jorginho, a deep lying playmaker in a similar mould of Pirlo. He's in many ways suspect defensively, and relies on Allan who has a particularly noteworthy workrate, aggressive, dogged determination and I remember when he played for Udinese, his interceptions and tackle rates were consistently in the top 2 alongside Vidal. Similarly, Pirlo relied on Vidal, Marchisio and Pogba to do his dirty work, or Gattuso and Seedorf at Ac Milan. Jorginho, compensates for this with his ability to instigate attacks from the back with his commendable composure when on the ball. Last season, Jorginho made 180 passes in one game, to my knowledge, that's only bettered by Alonso in recent years. He was a crucial cog for Maurizio Sarri, as Napoli averaged 59.3% possession, the most in Serie A (before they averaged the 5th most possesion). Only Barca, Bayern, PSG and Dortmund averaged more in the top 5 European leagues.

Leandro Paredes

Most comparable to Sergio Busquets. Great at making those incisive probing passes through the lines. Moreover, he's very mobile, which is important as he's comfortable in manoeuvring himself out of tight spaces, although at times he undoes his aesthetically pleasing work by getting ahead of himself, and going for the spectacular. For instance, there would be times when he's escaped the pressing of a player, then escapes another in quick succession and instead of releasing the ball, he would then attempt a raking 40 yard pass which goes out of play. If he can stay slightly limit his flamboyant nature, whilst concurrently, being productive then he can become the quite the player. His biggest weakness is that he can be susceptible to holding onto the ball for too long, much like Busquets who often invites pressure, although at times it can be a positive, as sometimes he buys a foul when limited passing opportunities arise.






Julian Weigl

Given that Carrick is my favourite Man Utd player, Weigl is my ideal option as he's more comparable to Carrick than the aforementioned.

My top 3 in order of preference would go something like this:
1. Weigl
2. Leandro Paredes
3. Ruben Neves

Subject to change of course, given you can never predict which unknown quantity may arise.
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Devil may care said:
How do you figure that? Offer Dortmund £60M for him and you get him IMO.
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Thats because most of you have obviously no idea how Dortmund operate. If you go to them and offering 60m now, then all you would get is the middle finger. They wont even listen to offers no matter if its Real, Bayern or United. Nobody can get him in the near future and the most likely scenario is him extending his contract and staying at Dortmund for some more years. I can guarantee you, that he is going to stay.

All top clubs have him on their radar and to think he would prefer to go to United is more than just being optimistic. There is zero chance and I would bet my house on it.
 
As if we needed another reminder, but again we saw today why this is the priority in the summer, his positioning, calmness and ability to feed the ball between the lines helped the team as a whole and brought the best out of Pogba in particular.
 
Busquets has been taking a bit of stick in Spain recently, let's all hope he's had enough of winning stuff with Barca and fancies testing himself in the battle for 4th place in the PL.
 
2cents said:
Busquets has been taking a bit of stick in Spain recently, let's all hope he's had enough of winning stuff with Barca and fancies testing himself in the battle for 4th place in the PL.
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Busquets works under Jose?
 
William Carvalho has always looked good in that position when i have watched him.
 
After watching yesterday's match, I feel Herrera could be a good replacement for Carrick. He made a few interceptions, his forward passing was decent and his positioning was good as well. If he learns from Carrick and shadows him, he could well be the replacement we are looking for.
 
Weigl remains by far the best option, but if Carrick ends up staying one more season we could get a less developed player like Paredes to come in as an undestudy and ease him into the league before replacing Carrick.
 
Just watched the Paredes video. Some outrageous passes in there. Sign him up, Jose!
 
Seen rumours that Dier isn't happy at Spurs, wouldn't mind getting him if they want Schneiderlin.

Good young english player, who doesn't seem to get injured much. Not as good a passer as Carrick though.
 
Bwuk said:
Seen rumours that Dier isn't happy at Spurs, wouldn't mind getting him if they want Schneiderlin.

Good young english player, who doesn't seem to get injured much. Not as good a passer as Carrick though.
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Him and Herrera may have a fight, but other than that i think he could be a good option.
 
Yorkeontop said:
How does Steven N'zozi compare stylistically?
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Don't know about stats, but after watching Sevilla this season I don't think there's a better DM in the whole world right now.

But the best thing with N'zonzi is that he plays for Sevilla, and Sevilla are a club not affraid to sell
 
Ishdalar said:
Don't know about stats, but after watching Sevilla this season I don't think there's a better DM in the whole world right now.

But the best thing with N'zonzi is that he plays for Sevilla, and Sevilla are a club not affraid to sell
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That is probably one that Mourinho is following since he needs some players in their prime as well as all the young ones, accustomed to the PL as well.
 
Considering that Verratti and Wiegl would cost us a bomb and that Mou plans to bring Bakayoko whom according to some is a powerhouse, would it be too crazy to bring Kroos as Carrick replacement? He's a great passer of the ball and he's physically strong
 
devilish said:
Considering that Verratti and Wiegl would cost us a bomb and that Mou plans to bring Bakayoko whom according to some is a powerhouse, would it be too crazy to bring Kroos as Carrick replacement? He's a great passer of the ball and he's physically strong
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Would Real be insane enough to let go of an ageing, yet magnificent, Modric? Would rather him over Kroos, despite the 5 year gap in age.
 
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devilish said:
Considering that Verratti and Wiegl would cost us a bomb and that Mou plans to bring Bakayoko whom according to some is a powerhouse, would it be too crazy to bring Kroos as Carrick replacement? He's a great passer of the ball and he's physically strong
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Madrid will not sell him at any price, they have no incentive to. Their team is in a state of flux - Modrić will be 32 by the time next season starts (Kovačić hasn't stepped into his shoes yet - which creates uncertainty), Ramos will soon turn 31, Ronaldo will decline further in the near future. Kroos is one of the de facto elder statesmen for the medium to long term, and almost irreplaceable in terms of experience (despite being only 26 years old) and what he brings to the midfield unit overall:
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Not to mention, he signed a mega contract extension in October, and his deal now lasts till 2022:
First, the numbers. Though unconfirmed, Kroos stands to earn up to a whopping £18 million per season, according to Bild. At £18M per season, that shakes out to just under £350,000 per week. That would be a huge jump from the reported £9.8 million per-season salary he was earning at Real Madrid before.
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http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/sto...al-tying-him-to-real-madrid-until-2022-101216

http://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2...an-extension-to-his-contract-with-real-madrid
 
Naby Keita is having an impressive season for RB Leipzig. He has some similarities to Carrick; likes to start in a deep position and start off attacks, looks to control the tempo of the game and always available for the short pass.

From what I've seen from him this season it looks like his main focus is to protect the back four and play simple balls to the more creative players. He's hard, fair and quick in the tackle. Not the passing range of Carrick, but one thing I like about him that Carrick seems to have had trouble with is bringing the ball forward when there is space in front of him to do so.

He's only 21 so a baby especially considering the longevity of players who tend to play that deep midfield role. He also has plenty of time to improve his positional awareness and discipline, which I think is already pretty good. I would class him as more of a ball winner than a deep lying play maker though.
 
unitedbhoy said:
Would Real be insane enough to let go of an ageing, yet magnificent, Modric? Would rather him over Kroos, despite the 5 year gap in age.
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In my opinion we should look for the future now. Lets build a stable midfield that will serve us well for at least 5 years. We really miss that.

The good about Kroos is that he might be available. Weigl and Verratti would cost us a bomb. Jorginho is a good talent and maybe we would be able to slip Fellaini and Darmian in the deal. However De Laurentis is a tough and unpredictable cookie indeed (think of a mix between Levy and Mike Ashley). The Portuguese will want good money for Neves. I don't think Real would mind too much parting from Kroos
 
Invictus said:
Madrid will not sell him at any price, they have no incentive to. Their team is in a state of flux - Modrić will be 32 by the time next season starts (Kovačić hasn't stepped into his shoes yet - which creates uncertainty), Ramos will soon turn 31, Ronaldo will decline further in the near future. Kroos is one of the de facto elder statesmen for the medium to long term, and almost irreplaceable in terms of experience (despite being only 26 years old) and what he brings to the midfield unit overall:

Not to mention, he signed a mega contract extension in October, and his deal now lasts till 2022:

http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/sto...al-tying-him-to-real-madrid-until-2022-101216

http://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2...an-extension-to-his-contract-with-real-madrid
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Is he playing week in week out? There's reports they might sell him to Juventus
 
devilish said:
Ah ok. Its strange because Juventus seem very interested in him
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The link seems dubious at best, to be honest - Juventus will have to part with Higuaín level money then, and even that might not be enough given the length of the contract and Madrid's general outgoing transfer policy (eg. Özil and Di María generated £100 million combined despite being surplus to needs and having ~2 years remaining on their deals, whereas Kroos has 5+ which puts Madrid firmly in the driver's seat, even if the player is hypothetically determined to leave). Should instead focus their sights on Jorginho - not a patch on Kroos overall, but of a similarly languid passing oriented profile.
 
Invictus said:
The link seems dubious at best, to be honest - Juventus will have to part with Higuaín level money then, and even that might not be enough given the length of the contract and Madrid's general outgoing transfer policy (eg. Özil and Di María generated £100 million combined despite being surplus to needs and having ~2 years remaining on their deals, whereas Kroos has 5+ which puts Madrid firmly in the driver's seat, even if the player is hypothetically determined to leave). Should instead focus their sights on Jorginho - not a patch on Kroos overall, but of a similarly languid passing oriented profile.
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TBF they have a big hole to fill in CM, having lost Pirlo, Vidal and Pogba in the past few years
 
Coretin Tolliso at Lyon looks a good player and wouldn't cost to much he has the added benefit of being functional at RB as well.

Admittedly i have only seen him play about 3 times this season but he has impressed, Ligue 1 seems to be producing some quality midfielders this decade.
 
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wythyred said:
Coretin Tolliso at Lyon looks a good player and wouldn't cost to much he has the added benefit of being functional at RB as well.

Admittedly i have only seen him play about 3 times this season but he has impressed, Ligue 1 seems to be producing some quality midfielders this decade.
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Lyon wanted 40m euros+ for him if I remember correctly. But if Lyon want either Memphis or Januzaj, we'd be smart to include him into any deal.
 
I think Thiago would do a fantastic job in the Carrick role. Shame we didn't manage to sign him before Bayern Munich.
most interceptions this season out of any player in the top leagues, albeit only playing in the DM position twice.
 
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