Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

Frenkie to United?

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UnofficialDevil said:
Forgot about that, bloody winter world cup bollocks.
Again, if we play the blinking eye game for too long, some club might come along and offer the extra 17 and sign him. He would still be bought for under 100m which is a bargain if he is the best in the world.
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I very much doubt he'd do that if he assured ETH he will come, in the event it happened I imagine United would step in.

But it appears a minefield regardless, Barcelona would need to receive that extra money and agree to pay him, for legal reasons, likely so that they cannot be taken to court later for the deferred payment. So they'd still need to ok the 17m severance. It appears United upped their original agreement by 8.5m (an interesting coincidence?), and yet Barcelona still haven't offered him the full 17m, so can you trust the cnuts?

They will do everything in their power to keep as much of his transfer fee as possible, and give as little as possible to the player, we could offer another 8.5m now and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they still tried to not pay the full 17m. They think FDJ will break.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I always like to think what I would do as an agent here, or in Laporta's position if I wanted to be a cnut and focused only on saving money.

As an agent, I 100% take that hardline. If Barcelona truly cannot afford to keep my client, but can afford to splash the cash on new players I'd advise the following.

• Negotiate his transfer with my clients club of preference, come to us with a severance package containing the full monies "owed" and we'll discuss personal terms with the club. Until then, we are not willing to accept any meeting to negotiate a new contract, nor a lower severance.

As a club I'd do exactly what Barcelona are doing:

• Take him on tour, make him "second choice", play him out of position; attempt to weaken his hardline position. Show him that being so hardline will lead to a WC season of bench splinters and playing out of position.

We really haven't moved on in weeks due to this stalemate. It's still a case of who blinks first.
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Well it is JL’s job as president to get finances in order, also the former board is facing criminal charges so guess he needs to be cynical

https://lookcharms.com/barcelona-president-joan-laporta-says-ex-board-should-face-criminal-charges/
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I very much doubt he'd do that if he assured ETH he will come, in the event it happened I imagine United would step in.

But it appears a minefield regardless, Barcelona would need to receive that extra money and agree to pay him, for legal reasons, likely so that they cannot be taken to court later for the deferred payment. So they'd still need to ok the 17m severance.
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Absolutely.
This is a player ten Hag is desperate for, and he'll make sure that he gets him should anyone else come in at the last moment. Saying that, i'm pretty sure that he's given ten Hag all the assurances he needs to push on. I think if there was any doubts, he would have pulled the plug by now. I imagine if any doubts crop up in the near future, the plug will be pulled too
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Forgot about that, bloody winter world cup bollocks.
Again, if we play the blinking eye game for too long, some club might come along and offer the extra 17 and sign him. He would still be bought for under 100m which is a bargain if he is the best in the world.
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We did that, we even upped the up front payment so that they would pay him his money, but Barca aren't giving it to him and are still penny pinching :lol:
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Forgot about that, bloody winter world cup bollocks.
Again, if we play the blinking eye game for too long, some club might come along and offer the extra 17 and sign him. He would still be bought for under 100m which is a bargain if he is the best in the world.
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And Frenkie won‘t sign unless he wants to go there.
 
Can‘t wait until some journalist asks LvG what he thinks about this situation.
 
Brownie85 said:
People are literally loosing their shit over a report from some random guy in Spain, with no other reporters backing it up or even mentioning it. However, in true Caf format, it's negative so it must be absolutely true.
So people, when can we expect the brief from United that we've pulled out and won't be going after him anymore? We won't cos this is pretty much BS and if it was true, it would be being reported everywhere by now i'd imagine because it's a complete 180 from him reportedly not wanting to take a pay cut
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Who is actually losing their shit? There are a few people in here who are concerned about the not existing progress on this front and the seeming not existing plan B. Some would stop pursuiting him asap, some feel there is a huge need for a plan B to fall back on, as the outcome of this is pretty unclear.

Maybe you should end your shift, don't get me wrong, but you and this Plant guy must be responsible for around 25% of posts, it is taking its toll maybe. There is something in between your sort of optimism and negativity. I thought you would recognize it, as it was very apparent in the Ole days.

Aeryis said:
No offense to ETH and the management, but if he thinks Frenkie De Jong (or his 'skillset') is the only suitable and quality player to improve our current midfield then he's simply wrong. Given all his other targets, linked to Ajax directly or indirectly, he's coming off as a stubborn and narrow-minded manager. The club should have a DOF, a scouting system and infrastructure, all focuses to build a squad tailored to their ideas; players complementing each other. They should be hiring coaches they think would fit the players. That's how every top club functions. Treating the manager like a god catering to his demands doesn't work. We've been trying it since Moyes, it doesn't work. We won't get another SAF.

Coaches can be brilliant tacticians, brilliant at in game management and developing players and they can still suck at scouting. We should not be hinging our so called "rebuild" on ETH's brilliant scouting network that's supposedly only restricted to Eredivisie players he's managed, worked with, or played against. It's just asinine.

We were all whining about a DOF a year ago, Woodward's incompetence, and now that ETH is here it's "yeah nevermind, just do what he wants." No top club does that. They simply don't. Not Bayern, Madrid, City, Chelsea, or Juventus.
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Well put, I agree with all of it.

Tarrou said:
I think that’s a bit far fetched

you don’t make a controlling midfielder feel important by telling them they’re an option in defence.. controllers want to control, they want to dictate

it’s a big feck you
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Maybe you have missed that more and more teams start to play players in defense who are able to create from deep. We signed one of them a week ago. Nothing far fetched about it, especially not in a team like Barca, who expect the majority of possession.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I very much doubt he'd do that if he assured ETH he will come, in the event it happened I imagine United would step in.

But it appears a minefield regardless, Barcelona would need to receive that extra money and agree to pay him, for legal reasons, likely so that they cannot be taken to court later for the deferred payment. So they'd still need to ok the 17m severance.
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Couldn't the interested club just add the 17m on top of his contract or pay it directly to De Jong? Why does it have to come from Barcelona? I don't think they can be taken to court for deferred payments if he terminates his current contract and signs for a new club?
 
NZT-One said:
Who is actually losing their shit? There are a few people in here who are concerned about the not existing progress on this front and the seeming not existing plan B. Some would stop pursuiting him asap, some feel there is a huge need for a plan B to fall back on, as the outcome of this is pretty unclear.

Maybe you should end your shift, don't get me wrong, but you and this Plant guy must be responsible for around 25% of posts, it is taking its toll maybe. There is something in between your sort of optimism and negativity. I thought you would recognize it, as it was very apparent in the Ole days.


Well put, I agree with all of it.


Maybe you have missed that more and more teams start to play players in defense who are able to create from deep. We signed one of them a week ago. Nothing far fetched about it, especially not in a team like Barca, who expect the majority of possession.
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Hang on... are you really telling me i should stop posting on this thread because i'm confident about him joining? Thats a new one to me.
 
If this doesn’t happen then I’d like it to be the last of these sagas that end in disappointment please.

I won’t be as pissed off with the club as I have been with past transfer dramas as a lot of shite is the other sides issue.

I would be slightly aggrieved about us seemingly not having another player in mind when we so clearly need it though. We don’t have the quality waiting in the wings that’s required sadly.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Couldn't the interested club just add the 17m on top of his contract or pay it directly to De Jong? Why does it have to come from Barcelona? I don't think they can be taken to court for deferred payments if he terminates his current contract and signs for a new club?
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None of us know without seeing the contracts, but multiple tier 1 sources have said a club cannot pay it for Barcelona for tax and legal reasons. I assume it's due him being owed it by Barcelona, in Spain, so being paid it in England, by Manchester United, opens up a bit of a minefield.
 
We don't really know there's no plan b. Ten Hag never said there's no alternative, he only said we would develop from within if the alternatives are not available
 
One in three are still 100% convinced he's coming :lol: Wow!

"Trust in EtH with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths."
 
Cant believe some of you think this is just about money for the player, he is giving out absolutely no vibes to suggest he wants the move. His love for barca is clear as day.

It gets to a point where your counsel are surely advising you to show some encouragement to your potential new club, cos even if he does come now, its gonna be like we have kidnapped him against his will, which is not a good way to start a relationship, especially with the fans.

I admire the strategy for going after our no.1 choice but this doesn't look like it's happening at all.

If it's about meeting ffp with the wage bill then why don't we loan and cover his wages(or majority of them), surely its not the transfer fee that is the issue the way they are throwing money around this window.

I suspect there is no desire to join regardless of whether permanent or loan.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Couldn't the interested club just add the 17m on top of his contract or pay it directly to De Jong? Why does it have to come from Barcelona? I don't think they can be taken to court for deferred payments if he terminates his current contract and signs for a new club?
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Deferred payments are wages that are already his by law, but has been held back for a period of time. You can't have someone else pay you the wages your employer owes you.

Shakesey said:
One in three are still 100% convinced he's coming :lol: Wow!

"Trust in EtH with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths."
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I sense that the muppetry is too weak within you, you must learn to embrace it in all its absurdity. 'Ti's the season to be silly.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
None of us know without seeing the contracts, but multiple tier 1 sources have said a club cannot pay it for Barcelona for tax and legal reasons. I assume it's due him being owed it by Barcelona, in Spain, so being paid it in England, by Manchester United, opens up a bit of a minefield.
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Well... he just wants the 17 doesn't he. I'm sure there is some way of getting it to him while avoiding any complications. He signs a bit of paper saying I don't want it, and we buy him a 17m house or something. Anyway.. you know what I mean.
 
RedMilo said:
Cant believe some of you think this is just about money for the player, he is giving out absolutely no vibes to suggest he wants the move. His love for barca is clear as day.

It gets to a point where your counsel are surely advising you to show some encouragement to your potential new club.
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He knows the manager personally, so safe to say that's exactly what he has done, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

RedMilo said:
If it's about meeting ffp with the wage bill then why don't we loan and cover his wages(or majority of them), surely its not the transfer fee that is the issue the way they are throwing money around this window.

I suspect there is no desire to join regardless of whether permanent or loan.
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Why the feck would loan and cover the wages that Barcelona owe him? Why the feck would Barcelona allow a guy on loan, and risk that an injury could lead to them being left with a crock on enormous wages for the following 3 years.

More thought is needed before posting my man.
 
It's inconceivable that he stays at Barca as a CB on reduced wages. That would be ridiculous. Not when we're going to be offering a handsome amount and ten Hag wants to build the team around him in his preferred position.
 
Berbaclass said:
I'm over this transfer :lol:

I am feeling pretty ambivalent about it currently.

Still think it happens but god is it getting boring.
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UnofficialDevil said:
Well... he just wants the 17 doesn't he. I'm sure there is some way of getting it to him while avoiding any complications. He signs a bit of paper saying I don't want it, and we buy him a 17m house or something. Anyway.. you know what I mean.
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Aside from that probably not being legal. Don't forget his 8M loyalty bonus - they are selling him, he should get that too.
 
There’s no way he’s going to accept the salary reduction and play as a CB - this isn’t going to end any other way than him leaving Barca.
 
NZT-One said:
Who is actually losing their shit? There are a few people in here who are concerned about the not existing progress on this front and the seeming not existing plan B. Some would stop pursuiting him asap, some feel there is a huge need for a plan B to fall back on, as the outcome of this is pretty unclear.

Maybe you should end your shift, don't get me wrong, but you and this Plant guy must be responsible for around 25% of posts, it is taking its toll maybe. There is something in between your sort of optimism and negativity. I thought you would recognize it, as it was very apparent in the Ole days.


Well put, I agree with all of it.


Maybe you have missed that more and more teams start to play players in defense who are able to create from deep. We signed one of them a week ago. Nothing far fetched about it, especially not in a team like Barca, who expect the majority of possession.
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I don’t think you’ve understood what I meant going by this post

but it doesn’t matter that much anyway
 
Shakesey said:
I fear I do not have what it takes to double-think my way to nirvana.
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Sense the stillness within you and repeat the mantra of the silliest of season past - "Wesley Sneijder is coming", and the path to enlightenment will unveil itself to you.
 
Frankie basically used Manchester United as a means to get Barcelona pay him what he is owed.
I’m embarrassed and confused on behalf of our great club.
Can we lock this thread and throw the key in the river, if he’s not signed by page 1000?

The McFred lives to fight another season.
 
Just imagine if we spend 3 months solely focused on trying to sign a player who shows no public interest in joining, either first hand or briefing the media. Then that player ends up choosing to take a pay cut and a backseat squad role rather than join us.

Not saying it'll happen like that, but if it does, it'll be one of the biggest transfer embarrassments ever.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
He knows the manager personally, so safe to say that's exactly what he has done, otherwise we wouldn't be here.



Why the feck would loan and cover the wages that Barcelona owe him? Why the feck would Barcelona allow a guy on loan, and risk that an injury could lead to them being left with a crock on enormous wages for the following 3 years.

More thought is needed before posting my man.
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Why not. It solves their immediate ffp problem, the player may soften his stance knowing his wages are 'covered' IF that's what its all about and he remains technically a barca player and they could add in an obligation to buy for ultimate protection.

The situation is in a state of paralysis and its going to take something outside the box to break the deadlock.

I think he will take a wage cut and fight for his place.
 
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