Which absolutely isn’t what the poster said.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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Which absolutely isn’t what the poster said.
Can think of several scenarios that may be the truth but my instinct is that the Chelsea interest isn't genuine. Can't see them offering up the package we have AND contributing to the deferred wages, if that is indeed what's holding this deal up.
I've been pretty in board with trying to sign De Jong, and staying the course, since the beginning. That said, I've got to admit I have more and more doubts about whether it's actually likely to happen now.
Uh huh... so if you think he'll end up changing his mind why accept a bid for him. He's not going to change his mind on a pay cut is he
Edit for stupidity... Read it wrong. They think he'll change his mind on refusing to leave. No mention of Chelsea though
Change his mind about the money? 
Again, if FdJ leaves Barcelona before the new clauses in his contract kick in, he automatically will wave all deferred payments and loyalty bonus. His contract will be terminated and thus worthless.
Barcelona won't have to pay any deferred payments or loyalty bonus. Thus no tax liability.
United will pay FdJ a signing bonus worth the total of the deferred payments and loyalty bonus.
I can't see any violation of UEFA rules or tax issues.
A total different question is of course whether United will pay money, which actually is Barcelona's duty to pay, to secure the deal.
Aye, I've never bought into this rhetoric whatsoever.
Not sure you are reading that correctly
Change his mind on not wanting to leave (which isn’t only about the money)Change his mind about the money?
It’d be so daft, joining one of Chelsea United or Spurs because they are in next season’s Champions League on a 5 year deal could easily see you then spend 3-4 season out of the competition. There’s absolutely zero guarantees there.
I didn't, I edited my post because I misread... its 11:25pm and I've been working all day haha. Plus its hot... or maybe I'm just thick
Yeah, it's a ludicrous viewpoint that seems to be repeated time-and-again.
Even if we were in the CL; I'm sure FDJ has the foresight to see that we ain't winning it this season, as it'll be a transitional season with highs-and-lows.
It's the fact that everyone was saying Revelo is very reliable and that we should pay attention to them etc. No one else has mentioned any Chelsea bids yet
Why would there be
That's what I was afraid of...not great news if it's this late into the window and he's still unsure
It’s just something I read the other day so dunno how true it is
- So Bayern's renewal offer was €12m p.a for 2 years = €24m total
- Barça's offer supposedly is €9m p.a. for 3 years = €27m total, plus one year optional.
Seems like everyone got paid except poor old Lewandowski!
If you believe the Barça salary numbers, Lewandowski kicked up a fuss for an extra guaranteed €3m. I think he could have easily achieved that by playing at Munich for 2 years and signing up for another team for in year 3 for €3-4m. It just doesn't add up, but this is Barcelona's MO - a lot of bullshit.
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I wonder if that's Barcas aim with the latest Chelsea links? Scare United into doing something they don't want to do with the worry of losing out on a player they're desperate to sign.
Barca are thinking that if they say that Chelsea are going to launch a bid (the info was Barca KNOW Chelsea will table a bid in the next hours, not Chelsea will table a bid - it's clearly come from Barca or one of their "sources" close to them) United will act rashly and just say we'll cover the wages as a signing bonus over the life of the contract?
Surely the point is, United don't want to pay effectively pay an extra 17m on top of the transfer fee we've agreed?
If United were to settle his unpaid wages, they'd want the transfer fee reduced to reflect this. This doesn't suit Barca as they want the best of both worlds, they want the full fee we've agreed and not to pay De Jong. If they reduce the transfer fee so United can pay De Jong, it's of no use to Barca they may as well just take the larger transfer fee and pay De Jong the wage he's owed.
This is going to go on for weeks till someone blinks…
In Germany it's reported that Lewandowski got a contract until 2026, 4 years. He earns 9m Euro net. In Munich it's ~11m Euro net.
So it's 22m vs 36m Euro.
Never heard three piranha Zahavi receiving 20m Euro. That's just ludicrous.
There were posts here claiming United is ready to pay his deferred wages but this couldn't be done, because it would violate UEFA/FIFA rules and there would tax issues.
I'm totally with you, United and no other club should pay even 1 Euro of wages owed by Barcelona.
If we're willing to do that and we're not allowed, then surely we'd just increase the transfer fee by 17m or however much he's owed and Barca can pay him?
The transfer fee we've agreed is presumably already at the upper limit of what we wanted to pay, we can't just throw another 17m on top whether that be to De Jong directly or to Barca.
Exactly that. But a lot of self-righteous people would protest (especially in this forums).
Chelsea fans thinking they are considerably closer to winning the league is delusional thinking.
Both teams have a best case scenario of finishing 2nd in every alternate season where Liverpool struggle.
No FDJ in the starting line up for Barca. You know what that means?
He just came back to the squad and isn't match fit?
Feck all?
Another 20 pages of opinions and hypothesis concluding in a Rampa de Sortida or Di Maria Vibes split decision.
Business as usual?
If FDJ isn't in the line up like some suggest it means that he has a zoom call with ETH, and ETH is requesting he turns his camera on
It means he's on the bench
You're not in the starting eleven FDJ... Take the hint!
They also placed his name just OUTSIDE of the shirt in that pic. Another hint.
So he actually went on the tour then. I missed that bombshell. Must have been mayhem in here
Some people said we should walk away
Others hinted at Di Maria vibes
Some thought don't read into it
Stay tuned for more.
So quick question to all of the optimists in here.
What significance will it be to him leaving if he actually plays for Barcelona on the pre season tour ?
What significance will it be to him leaving if he actually plays for Barcelona on the pre season tour ?
He's not worth the hassle, nevermind the fee / wages.
Be interesting to see what happens if the Spanish narrative changes from adamantly staying to open to leaving
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