When has that ever happened? If it’s positive about United it’s obviously bs. Nothing positive EVAH happens at United
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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What are these regulatory and tax reasons? I can't find reliable source explaining these.
If FdJ waves his deferred payments and decides to join United. Barcelona will be off the hook and get the agreed transfer fee of 85m Euro.
United will sign the player and offers him an additional signing bonus of the same value as his deferred payments. The signing bonus can be even stretched over the time of his contract.
I don't see any legal or tax issues here. Except United probably doesn't want to pay money that Barcelona owes to FdJ.
True that. To be fair, the meltdown over this relevo tweet has been small at best. I think people see it for the BS it is
Gets both feck all, the less shit that season trophy.
FdJ is a masochist by seeing all these players coming to Barcelona while they want him to cut his wages (and he already did it once). It's cuckolding on max.
I still don't understand the motivation given we agreed on the fee.
Barca fecking around trying to go back on an agreed offer? Media outlet wants clicks? What is it?
Literally the only thing that would potentially tempt a player would be CL football (which we don’t have).
The rest is wishful thinking.
Surely finishing above you would show who is best suited to challenging for a title? Isn’t that how leagues are determined?
Answer is neither by the way. May as well join West Ham for a league challenge.
Trying to get United to move quickly and pay his outstanding wages so Barca doesn't have to pay it.
I'd imagine if they were true, we'd act on it quickly, but my guess is his agent has likely said its rubbish so don't bother
I believe it is an issue. Both that he’ll miss out CL next season, but more important that we are not really perceived as a top club anymore. It’s not so attractive to play for United anymore.
I would imagine that the fact he is in this mess because the money he was owed was spread over the life of the last new contract he signed is why he won't now take that from us. Frenkie wants it all in cash and all right now.
It's not just about Chelsea qualifying for the CL, they win the thing as well. They did it a year back and almost knocked out the eventual winners this year. Chelsea are a much more attractive choice for any player
Twice in their entire history, both seasons after sacking managers mid season cause they were generally wank. Both bizarre occurrences.
So they’ve finished behind United in 2 of the past three years, but they’ve won 2 CL in their history so they are a much more attractive proposition for any player… sure.
This game of who blinks first. Barca are playing it quite shitly.
Sign Kessie, Raphina, Lewa and another that I can't remember. Cant register any of them. Also in desperate need of money.
Surely there is only one outcome here
Sign Kessie, Raphina, Lewa and another that I can't remember. Cant register any of them. Also in desperate need of money.
Surely there is only one outcome here
As soon as you start saying stuff like that though, it always comes back to "Well, people prefer living in London compared to Manchester" even journos take that approach when reporting stuff
Yeah so what do they achieve? They know FdJ is talking to EtH and his agent will keep us in the loop atleast.
My bet is that this is purely a newspaper thing. They got a bunch of clicks when they did it last time so they are trying to capitalise on a slow news day.
I mean I get it's the UCL but it feels like Chelsea are dining out on that a wee bit too much still now. They won it without being the best team, last year has to go down as a disappointment for them considering they were meant to kick on and looking at them now they've not done nearly enough for them to be considered challengers for either the PL or the UCL next season
Anyway if we're believing BS rumours about Chelsea being in for FDJ let's not also forget the likely BS source that said FDJ doesn't want to go there (was a few weeks back when it was said he'd pick us over Chelsea)
He wants CL to be fair. That's the difference against us.
Has anyone credible said this? Doesn’t he just want his money?
What do they achieve? A saving of over €17m and a high wage player off their books. Quite a lot I'd say.
But yeah I'd say its a paper thing this. What's funny is that absolutely no one else has reported it. Romero, Romano, even Sport the United haters have stayed quiet this time.
I just can't see how something reported hours ago could not have been picked up by a reliable UK journo if it was true. Journos would be all over it, especially the Chelsea reliable ones
To be fair to what? Not a single source has said he wants Champions League football.
I refuse to believe that any player decides the next 4,5,6 years of their career based on what competition a team is or isn’t in in year 1.
CL > Europa. He might not explicitly want it, but he will sure as hell prefer it.
Just a thought on this. De Jong would be owed from Barcelona an X amount. If this is the net amount, Barcelona would have to pay the tax related to this X amount to the Spanish government. So they will pay nothing to Spanish authorities, since United will take care of that in UK. This could raise eyebrows and could require investigation as it can create a precedent, where teams can agree to revert to such tricks with buying teams to evade taxation if the taxation in the buying team's country is lower.
Just a theory of course, not saying that I believe this is the case.
From my perspective, if the deferred wages is the only issue, I do not understand why the agent does not make a big fuss about it in the media and prefers to stick to the line of wanting to stay in Barca and blah blah. I do not get this strategy. Leaking this issue over the media from the agent's side (not the player directly) would cause more pressure to Barcelona to pay up. The only reasonable explanation to me is that they player wants to keep a low profile and his options open, even staying to Barcelona with a new agreement.
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This game of who blinks first. Barca are playing it quite shitly.
Sign Kessie, Raphina, Lewa and another that I can't remember. Cant register any of them. Also in desperate need of money.
Surely there is only one outcome here
Yep... Frenkie swap deal with Bernardo Silva
Isn’t that just an assumption? At United he’s promised to be at the centre of a project and all that jazz. One club happens to be in the CL one year shouldnt really play into the Project that any club puts forward. It’s stupidly short term.
Look at Sancho situation as an example. Kane nearly left Spurs because they missed the CL one season as another example
It's not so much about history as it is about the present. We've won nothing for 5 years.
They've been much better in Europe then us recently and that makes a difference. We are going to be competing in the Europa League for the 2nd time in 3 seasons. Finishing above them twice to get into the competition, only to get knocked out at the first big hurdle won't make us a better proposition.
FDJ and his agent are playing the long game well. FDJ has his reputation to consider and there is still the possibility that he doesn't leave Barca. There is also the possibility that this is settled in court or Barca gets even nastier in public.
FdJ can just bide his time, say the right things, do the right things in terms of his legal obligations to his current employer. Don't give any crack that Barca could exploit.
It's up to Barca to make an acceptable offer to FdJ. Without that, under the current contract he will get the money he is owed and Barca can go swivel and work out how they pay and register all these new signings.
All Barcelona supporters here say Barcelona doesn't owe FdJ anything, if leaves this summer.
He signed a new contract which starts adding the deferred payments to his current wages this upcoming season. Thus, if the contract is voided, because he joins United, Barcelona won't owe him anything. The Spanish tax authorities can't claim any taxes on wages, which never have been paid.
Not sure if I read it somewhere or I'm confused from Ronaldo's news. But I think it's pretty much implicit he wants to play for it, considering barca are preparing a team that could have an outside chance to win it.
Should be the sensible thing to do, but the overrating of the CL among fans and players could blind someone's judgement, specially if we are likely to miss it next season too (although personally I think we should be able to get the 4th place even without De Jong.)
Yeah certainly looks like it. FDJs legal team definitely dropped the ball on this one.
This game of who blinks first. Barca are playing it quite shitly.
Sign Kessie, Raphina, Lewa and another that I can't remember. Cant register any of them. Also in desperate need of money.
Surely there is only one outcome here
What if they have already agreed to pay his wages but he doesn't want to leave?
I mean, we simply don't know what that agreement to defer wages looks like. Pretty pointless going off hearsay from Barca fans.
Highly unlikely. I think he knows the deal now and that he's not wanted. As soon as the wage issue is sorted I'd say he's definitely on his way
That's not what the Telegraph article said. According to them, there's both deferred payments owed plus a increasing loyalty bonus. Also, what tax authorites can claim taxes on is a bonus given by Barcelona when he leaves to make up for the difference between his salary at Barcelona and at United.
One of Spurs, Chelsea or United will miss it next season, I wouldn’t know where to put my money, recent history backs that up too.
If any player is joining one of those for “CL football”, they are a braindead moron.
Join for the long term project and for the manager, not one season in a competition.
Then FdJ should at least inform his former coach ETH about it, and you guys can move on to plan B.
That's the thing, we don't really know anything. We're going by media reports for everything, and let's be honest they're far from reliable aren't they.
We've had links to Chelsea and Bayern, both seem to be fizzling into nothingness. Chelsea have gone from monitoring, to very interested to about to launch a bid... but nothing has come from it. Its just pure odd
To be fair Chelsea have won the CL twice and the league twice (I think) since the last time we won anything of significance, so it’s hardly outlandish to say that a player might consider Chelsea a more attractive prospect than United as it is right now. These are objective facts. We have to hope that under Ten Haag we can start looking like a more attractive project going forward.
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