When does the plane leave? If he’s on it, this it’s finished with in my eyes.
Unless it gets landed at Manchester Airport by Murtough, a la John McClane in Die Hard, this is over.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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When does the plane leave? If he’s on it, this it’s finished with in my eyes.
Unless it gets landed at Manchester Airport by Murtough, a la John McClane in Die Hard, this is over.
Rob Dawson has changed his stance 3 times over the last 3 days - another one to add to the chancer list. Ducker/Ornstein etc have been consistent - we have assurances he wants to come, the issue is the deferred wages.
Done deal. We only need 1000 pages and De Jong will join us. After Barca, we need to prove we love him.
I always thought agents were scum until I started reading books by footballers. The number of players who say they get screwed over by clubs and managers is ridiculous.
I can’t stand them now mainly because of the high fees and how scum my some are, but what I did learn was that an agent will never do or say anything without his client’s agreement. Occasionally they cock up wording, etc, but it’s usually starting with the player.
Actually legally he is owed the entirety of his contract, in Football contracts are fully guaranteed and what happens is that in order to facilitate moves, players and clubs either agree to bilaterally break the agreement or the club pay the difference.
This transfer is literally like a pantomime.
Can't wait until its over in all fairness. I don't think it's done and over if he goes on tour, but it complicates things a little. Let's see what happens
Can't wait until its over in all fairness. I don't think it's done and over if he goes on tour, but it complicates things a little. Let's see what happens
Is it going to be a big day today?
Lots of obstacles, yeah... the huge amount of money he's owed is the main obstacle. I'm certain he won't leave until its paid.
I think it leaves tomorrow. Still time for a resolution!
Be interesting to see if we do really walk away after today.
Today is the day ladies and gentleman.
You’re right. I should have said he isn’t owed his future higher salary if he agrees to transfer. Which is why he’s not.
After all the effort we've put into this it's highly unlikely we walk away. Not impossible but unlikely.
Not sure where Dawson got his info of his agent wanting PSG or Chelsea to get involved... wasn't that covered about 120 pages ago where it was a shite source that started that he wanted CL football? Shocked he's still pushing that.
IF he joins, which I'm still very sure he will, you know he's going to be asked in his interview about all these rumours... it'll be funny to see what the answer is.
Bloody hell I really don't care if he signs anymore. I was really excited but that's gone completely.
Someone mentioned a while back setting a deadline for Barcelona; we should do the same for Frenkie. He signed the contract with them so he has to sort it out with them otherwise we walk. We leave them to lie in the shite bed they made for themselves.
Someone mentioned a while back setting a deadline for Barcelona; we should do the same for Frenkie. He signed the contract with them so he has to sort it out with them otherwise we walk. We leave them to lie in the shite bed they made for themselves.
Oh no it isn't!
I’ll be honest I’m not that bothered if we tell all parties to go feck themselves if this isn’t resolved by the stroke of midnight.
It’s no biggie. We move on.
It’s no biggie. We move on.
Today is the day. If it isn't. It isn't.
Oh yes it is!
I can’t see today really being any sort of deadline. The deadline is 1st September and this will rumble on until we either sign him or the window has slammed shut.
He's completely within his right to dig his heels in and demand he gets what he's owed. One way or another he will, and he will be ours.
This makes little sense, we want him to prematurely end that contract which is the only situation where Barcelona can legally get out of that contract. If anything United should be the most patient actor or should pay the 17m. Otherwise your proposition is a bit like threatening to shoot in your own foot.
Yes, so perhaps the club can offer him the same deal which is €14M annually, or €270K pw, or £228K pw, plus some bonuses that might take his overall up to £300K pw. (this is me speculating on what package the club would offer him when he joins).
I still think it's a huge offer for De Jong, but I understand why would the club go this far if they do so,
He doesn't want to join us.
Doesn't really impact us at all. Would just be amusing.
Just when you think we are in the end game, it appears nothing is moving. Mental transfer.
I think we will walk away if the cheap fecks don't pay the money they owe to Frenkie.
Barcelona are a weird one with Xavi. Something about their destruction of Madrid last season showed domestically at least they have potential.
Pedri is probably the second best player in La Liga already at 19 but they really need to give him a supporting cast. Add Lewandoski and a few others they are capable of doing stuff in La Liga.
Agree on the CL though they ain’t winning that anytime soon. You need serious squad depth for that.
The problem with walking away from this deal is that all will know we are desperate for a similar player and who ever we go for they will charge a ridicules amount like Neves for 70 mill.
At least et seams we are now bringing in players for other positions.
I still expect the only problem remaining with the deal is the money Barca owe him but they will prolong this right up to their deadline.
At least et seams we are now bringing in players for other positions.
I still expect the only problem remaining with the deal is the money Barca owe him but they will prolong this right up to their deadline.
Yeah, we've wasted way too many pages on FDJ's intentions. Ducker was likely briefed direct from the Club. This was right before the trip to Spain. I don't know how people keep glossing over it. We are still in the deal because FDJ's camp gave us the green light. The noise about staying is solely related to the money.
Why folks want to twist themselves into "agendas" beats me. It's a simple case of "man wants his money before he leaves". It's no simpler or complex than that.
I said it yesterday, and i'll say it again. Stop talking every damn SPORT tweet as doomer gospel. If he leaves to go on the tour, it means nothing. It means a 50/50 journo was wrong. We'll probably get 30 fecking pages of doom, but it means nothing. He doesn't want to leave.....without a concrete deal sorted for his money. It's not that hard to comprehend.
Well in the sense we are talking about players like Sangare who has not been anything all that outstanding really and has been in Ligue 1 and Eredivisie. Decent player, but all the issues we know about other players from those leagues apply. Many of the other names mentioned are similar punts, mostly requiring is to buy two players (for example Sangare and Neves/Tielemans), and my belief in Uniteds transfer capability to deliver two players has been some what shaken over the last few years.
It feels like during Woodward.
Giving a 3 year deal to a player over 30.
Chasing a player that rather stay at his current club.
"Doing transfers the United way" tune stuck with moyes
Giving a 3 year deal to a player over 30.
Chasing a player that rather stay at his current club.
"Doing transfers the United way" tune stuck with moyes
We shouldn’t take it personally. I wouldn’t want to move from Barcelona to Manchester either.
He wants what Barca owe him. It's very different to he doesn't want to join us. But maybe that's a bit too complicated for some to understand.
He’s owed 88m euros over the next 4 years. We’ve offered him 16m a year which is around £280k a week. 22m a year which is his current salary averaged out is £390k a week and breaks our wage structure - so no we absolutely shouldn’t pay him what he’s currently on. Barcelona can pay him the difference after getting him to accept hugely reduced wages during the pandemic to stop them going bust - after all they desperately want him gone and we’re already paying a huge fee and making him our 3rd biggest earner.
Nah. How do you know that then?
The deferred wages shouldn't even be our problem. These guys would be absolute pieces of shit if they're trying to get us to cover their contractual obligation that has nothing to do with us. So we'd be paying for services rendered to Barca. If the wages have been deferred they can go make a payment plan. The player isn't going to waive his money and we shouldn't have to pay for it either. This would make for one of the sleaziest sagas ever. How do you even end up owing a player that much? Pay him from the transfer fee we're already paying. This shouldn't even be a problem unless Barca are being slimy.
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Ducker: "MUFC was given the green light from FDJ's camp to keep negotiating the deal"
Stone: "FDJ doesn't want to leave without a deal sorted"
Romano: "I never said he didn't want to join MUFC"
Redcafe: "This is embarrassing, why are we chasing a player that hates MUFC"
Stone: "FDJ doesn't want to leave without a deal sorted"
Romano: "I never said he didn't want to join MUFC"
Redcafe: "This is embarrassing, why are we chasing a player that hates MUFC"
And how do you know he doesn't want to come for certain?
Going by twitter reports? The same reports that also say he doesn't want to leave because of the huge wages Barca owe him?
Picking and chosing what you want to believe. Yep sounds right
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