You've not been following the news then because we've not only agreed a fee fully with Barcelona but we're paying an extra €10m guaranteed than what was initially agreed presumably to help cover the deferred wages. Utd have done their part it's now on Barcelona to do the rest and they have the money from the fee we're paying and the Second Economic Lever which is about to kick in. We have no choice but to keep riding it out
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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He doesn't want to leave Barcelona, there's a difference
The deadline we gave Barcelona for today, was it only regarding negotiating with them or the deal entirely, anyone knows?
I’m still not sure he wants to join us.
The more I read about this deferred wages agreement the more it sounds like a scam.
"We'll pay you £250k a week, but we want to pay you £100k a week now and then we'll pay you the rest in 4 years time."
Why would anyone agree to these terms? Because Pique has agreed to play for free?
"We'll pay you £250k a week, but we want to pay you £100k a week now and then we'll pay you the rest in 4 years time."
Why would anyone agree to these terms? Because Pique has agreed to play for free?
Let's see
He wants to join us, the only issue is he doesn't want to leave Barcelona
What a steaming hot take that is. Awful post, and a total misinterpretation of the situation.
I sense an amalgamation of a Bogarde/Di Marie vibe coming on.
They are wumming you with those statements. I wouldn't respond if I were you.
Mou would’ve played him on the left of a back 7
Reports in Spain are just taking that and adding their own stuff to it. Either that, or they're trying to destroy de Jongs image by saying that he refuses to leave, refuses to join United and refuses to take a pay cut.
Essentially it's like a character assassination. They're trying to destroy his character and make out that he and his agent are some money greedy arseholes that wants to see Barca fail even though they KNOW he needs to go "for the good of the club"
We should call in the Frenkie de Jong stadium!
Both probably, several times.
Funny you would say that. I was just thinking this transfer gives me Di Maria vibes.
He doesn’t want to leave Barcelona and earn 24m euros less.
Barcelona fan spotted
Who would be unregistered if Frenkie stays? They will be bricking it too.
Agreed, his basic is €14M without the deferred wages and bonuses, if the club offers €16M package (basic + bonuses), then that would be similar to what others in the squad earn (B.Fernandes & Martial).
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I'm so baffled that people think that he's going to flatly turn us down. The very first thing that would've happened in this whole 'saga' would've been to find out if there was interest from Frenkie's side on joining.
Kessie, Christensen, Raphinha and counting
I have been following it and I understand that the "up front" amount has increased, presumably to give Barca the money to pay off Frenkie. If thats the case then the blockage in this deal should have been removed with that agreement and it should all happen quite quickly now. That doesn't seem to be happening.
Thats kind of my point. Barca are still mucking about trying to pay Frenkie as little as possible and holding up the deal. The longer this goes on, the more likely it is that Barca will feel that United, when pushed will up their offer a bit more and a bit more to make the deal happen.
Barca are in an awful position right now and are still managing to take us for a ride. Frenkie and United hold the power here and yet the only ones who seem to be dictating things at all are Barca and Frenkie.
United will have talked to Frenkie to make sure he is willing to come. The hold up is entirely Barca trying to worm their way out of as much of the deferred wages as possible. The fact that United and Barca have apparently agreed a fee seems not to have made that much difference.
People can't get their heads around that. They would literally make sure that if things went good with Barca, would he be interested in joining. If there was a no, then that's it, no point.
Due to Uniteds incompetence with transfers in the past you can't blame them for thinking that, but I do believe we've learnt somewhat from them mistakes. Plus even then, I'm sure we has assurances, we were just down right useless at negotiations and completing transfers
It's not that simple. Doubt he was as interested as he may be today prior to Barca informing him that he's surplus to requirements.
Absolutely agreed. People seem to be unable to let the past go too. We've got new people in place now, but people keep harping onto how incompetent we were previously.
We're mid July and we have 3 signings wrapped up and another being held up by issues outside of our control. We're clearly operating better this year.
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Deferred salaries I assume for them too.
Barca to them: In case something weird happens, we will backload your salaries till you get registered. Of course, you can use the club facilities, and get a stiped plus car park. It's no big deal. It will never happen but in case...
It's possible that he's MORE interested now. But I don't believe for a second that we've contacted his agent who has said "he doesn't want to join" and we've proceeded to go "feck it, lets bid anyway"
lower salaries than Frenkie too, i'd imagine. They're an absolute mess.Possibly Dembélé too because unless there is a mechanism within La Liga that allows negotiating clubs to keep players' registrations, he became a free agent before signing a new contract.
I think de Jong has known for quite a while now that he's unwanted at Barca and his staying there is distrupting their transfer plans.
Must be horrible for him though, and i do feel sorry for him. Still, if you're not wanted at a club, you're not wanted, and most times, you can't change their minds, especially when a club is in the position that Barca is in!
We wouldn't have got this far without Frenkie saying he was happy to move and the fact that we have been talking to Barca about it for months means that Frenkie will have known that Barca were happy to sell. If Barca didn't want to sell this would be a non starter because Frenkies best option would 100% be to sit out his contract at Barca. He wouldn't even have started to say yes to a move without Barca seeming happy for him to go. Why would he?
What? Would you let your employer screw you out of EUR17m to maintain goodwill with them? Don't be ridiculous
He's been treated awfully by Barca. If we didn't need him so badly, I'd like to see him stand his ground and wait for them to blink. The club is dragging his and their own name through the mud. He's not in the wrong to expect his contract to be honoured.
Shh. Logic doesn't belong in this thread.
Clearly he is another di maria blah blah blah.
There is no way on earth his former manager, and Manchester Uniteds current manager, Erik Ten Hag, has not had a conversation with De Jong about joining United at the start of this saga.
He was obviously open to it from the start, forget all these reports, probably just leaks to get Barca to pay up. Pretty sure it's just a matter of the money they owe him.
Some takes from Barcaforum.com (English)
It’s possible he has given us enough assurance to stay interested as a last ditch parachute option should he decide he has to leave and nothing else materializes. It’s possible we’ve been doing all this in an effort to “convince” him as we’ve done in years past. It’s possible he has absolutely no interest in joining us and is using us to get Barca to pay up on his deferred wages.
There are lots of possibilities here. And they don’t all point to him wanting to join us.
Well, when I'm wrong - which does happen quite often!
We should offer them a friendly next year with all proceeds going to FDJ
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