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Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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That’s fine for United and Barca and at the end of the day it’s a commercial call for Barca. My only concern is we are getting a player we paid 70m for who does not want to be here at all. Hopefully it’s also posturing on his part to recover his rightful backpay.
Hey it’s muppet season, give us a break!
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Its the hopium and refusal to accept players aren't dying to play for us
Also it's fun.
Its the hopium and refusal to accept players aren't dying to play for us
Also it's fun.
Someone said should blame FDJ’s agents which I completely agree. They should have made sure the deferred payments would become payable immediately if FDJ was to be sold against his wishes. A wrinkle may have been that nether club nor FDJ envisaged this situation where he needed to be sold 12 months back, especially where Xavi rates him.
Frenkie de Jong's reps are trying to convince PSG and Chelsea to get involved according to this:
Sorry if this has been explained earlier in the thread, but why can't he just leave and get the lawyers to get his money back?
Basically he will lose his bargaining power.
Which is "I'm going to stay and fk up your finances"
It is fun, I poke a bit of borax at the thread but it really is a fun thread.
Seriously its a great fun thread, in all honesty its great entertainment and I dont mean that sarcastily.Hey it’s muppet season, give us a break!
I suggest buying Manscaped then.
A doubt if any agent and their lawyers would be that naive. An agent's biggest payday will be another transfer. Like Riola, they would all love to churn their players from club to club. So to not anticipate that he could be sold would assume that the agent's lawyer would forgo any further paydays.
Example -- United paid £29million the previous season just to agents.
Especially if they are signing raphinha and Lewandowski with that money
But I feel for the lad. What a scummy club is Barcelona. I'd be pretty cheesed off too If I were owed millions in deferred payments.
There's no chance the club didn't get assurances from De Jong before agreeing to the fee.
The hold-up is the deferred wages.
You have to be living in La La Land if you think we didn't agree personal terms or outlined it at the very least with De Jong yet before entering into negotiations with Barcelona.
The hold-up is the deferred wages.
You have to be living in La La Land if you think we didn't agree personal terms or outlined it at the very least with De Jong yet before entering into negotiations with Barcelona.
Or Frenkie had initially agreed to some broad agreement of his personal terms -- but had assumed that he would get paid the £17M owed by Barca. Now he has to figure out how who will compensate him for that gap.
I alluded to this with the outlined bit.
If it is true he is on €500,000pw at Barca, I can’t see how that can work at Chelsea.
I know he's a top player in a position you want to strengthen but it would be kinda funny if you withdrew your bid and absolutely shafted Barcelona.
Stay strong Frenkie.. Do not let Barca get away with it.. make them sweat.
He's not going to get that at United, or any other club, for that matter. It's only that high because of the deferred wages and that's what the hold up seems to be.
If he wasn't so central to ten Hag's plans, I would have almost wanted us to walk away to see the clusterfeck that would happen there - Barcelona having to reintegrate him after hanging him out to dry, them not being able to register new players, etc.
It is €345k a week this season, which is still a huge salary for a player like De Jong
This. He can't be accused of not being supported by the Management now. Arnold/Murtough has bent over backwards to try get this across the line.
What do you think Mazhar, is Rob being speculative here?
Because Chelsea are well stocked in Midfield and are prioritizing defence (Koulibaly, Kimpepe, Ake, Kounde ??) and they also need to replace Lukaku and get a CF/Striker.
PSG got Veratti, who is a DLP, similar to De Jong, PSG just signed Vitinha, and might need a pure DM that would fit with Veratti+Vitinha, unless the new coach will play a 343 formation, and in that case they would not need someone like De Jong.
Do you know it includes the deferred salary? 17m /4 = 4.25m/yr
(18m-4.25m)/52=264k/wk
I think he's probably got the additional information via Samuel Marsden and MoisESPN who cover Barcelona for the same outlet Dawson works for.
I obviously want us to have the best side possible, but the fact this is the alternative is what's keeping me happy about it.
If FdJ holds his ground then we can at least sign someone else, Barcelona will be left with loads of players unregistered after spending a fortune
If the right DM is available at the right price, Jorgi and Kante are starting to drop off and we don’t have too many options for DM.
It is not a high priority like our other needs.
I wonder which of Barca's new signings had the smart agent:
Agent: What wages are you offering to my client ?
Barca: €150.000 net
Agent: And how much will actually be paid out to my client ?
Barca: €50.000 net-net
Agent: And the remaining €100.000 ?
Barca: We don't know if we can afford to pay your client that - but we will write you an IOU
Agent: so you are offering my client €50.000 Barca-net ?
Barca: Si - exactly
Agent: What wages are you offering to my client ?
Barca: €150.000 net
Agent: And how much will actually be paid out to my client ?
Barca: €50.000 net-net
Agent: And the remaining €100.000 ?
Barca: We don't know if we can afford to pay your client that - but we will write you an IOU
Agent: so you are offering my client €50.000 Barca-net ?
Barca: Si - exactly
Yeah you lot would love that wouldn’t you.
Deal is dead
Exactly. That's the only card he has left. Barca have shown themselves to be venomous snakes. He has no choice but to play this card. I'm pretty sure he'd be on the first flight out of that shit hole if he got his back wages banked in.
Based on @city-puma explanation which is has explained a million times but for some reason misses his own point that FDJ signed a new contract… Barca probably have a very valid point.
Also his agent is an idiot if he made him sign a new deal.
Happy FrenkieFriday everyone
This is one of the points I always make when people ask why do players need agents or why they are paid so much etc. Clubs will always try to screw players over given the chance.
This saga is so drawn out now, it feels like we are forcing him to join our club. It always doesnt ends well.
You never know you will win or lose if the thing goes to court.
But stay at Barce and refuse to leave, you have a big chance to get what you should get if they cannot offload other players.
Otherwise, Barce cannot register any new signed player in this window. If this happens, it will be laughable.
Negative night owls have been out in force again I see. Right, we’re back now, we’ll take it from here and steer this ship in the right direction.
This one is in the bag.
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