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Of course he doesn't want to reduce his salary (actually, the amount owed). And I don't think he will need to, given the leverage he has, that's just not something he needs to concede. But there are ways to pay that salary in instalments that gives Barca less of sum to find all in one go. It's the obvious way to make the transfer work so everyone wins.
 
He can't force anything, he is but a tiny, tiny cog in a far greater machine!

The best he can do is stay put and hope they find the money in the years ahead, at that point it could go to a court I'm sure if they broke the terms of the contract.

His current contract runs until 2026!
There's no "hope" at all
They have to pay him the money or declare bankruptcy
 
It was Romero who broke the latest update it seems.
Romero said we had a full agreement with Barca, just not with Frenkie. That’s a lot different than Romano insisting he doesn’t want to leave and is making it stall.
 
There's no way in hell that FdJ intimated to his agent, and indirectly to us, that he wasn't interested. It's utterly implausible that we would have pursued a deal for this long with Barcelona without the overwhelming sentiment that a deal with the player himself is probable.
 
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There's no "hope" at all
They have to pay him the money or declare bankruptcy

Eventually, Yes.

His contract runs until 2026 though.

He didn't sign a new deal, just an adjustment to the current deal to agree to defer wages fro the prior to years and he is due that money along with the increase / bonus they promised him for doing so but that runs over the course of the contract (2026).

He doesn't have the backing to take on a club the size Barca, no player does.

That's why they are all just agreeing to what is given to them pretty much.
 
This saga is ruining reputations.

Romero used to be absolutely tier 1. Even if this happens, it's looking like his 95%/ETH first signing was way off the mark.
 
Romero said we had a full agreement with Barca, just not with Frenkie. That’s a lot different than Romano insisting he doesn’t want to leave and is making it stall.

I wouldn't class it as a full agreement, the add ons were still being discussed (20M).

We've made very little progress in 6 weeks in reality.
 
He's already pissing me off that guy.
What did @esmufc07 do to deserve such vitriol?!?! Sure, he's a cnut and we all wish he would just curl up and die in the corner like the useless piece of shit that he is, and the only friend he's got is his right hand and even that hates him. But why call him out for it?! Seems a bit unfair tbh.
 
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So... Are we feeling optimistic or no? I don't know what to feel. I can't imagine we would spend so much time and energy going after him only to be told "nah, not interested" by the player. Then again, it's united. Not sure what to think
 
Today this epic disappointment of a saga reminds me of that time when I was too drunk to reach an orgasm, yet toiled on and on and on, only to eventually throw in the towel.
Disappointment for whom? Could be you were so drunk that what seemed like an age was hardly 2 minutes, disappointing both you and whomever/whatever lay beneath you.

Not quite sure how that analaogy fits, but we’ll get there, or not…
 
Keefy, you seem to have issue with Erik Ten Hags "pull" certainly in bringing things up in this instance.

But pray tell, how does Frenkie saying he wants to join Ten Hag at United, but actually doesn't, benefit him at all.

If he wants his deferred wages none of this theory holds water. He would simply sit at Barcelona collecting his wages weekly, and the contract he is currently on would do that leg work for him.

If he wants it now, he would have to follow legal proceedings, but again negotiating to leave would not achieve your theoretical endgame.

I don't believe ETH has that great a pull for players if I'm honest, even a former one at that. I think FDJ talents out grew him (ETH) and Ajax and he'd prefer to be at Barca which is what I've said all along.

Again, FDJ has options and we are likely his 3rd or 4th option and will reluctantly agree to join if he gets his money this summer (I don't believe he will) so he will as you say sit and just collect what he can while he can until that big pay day... eventually.
 
So... Are we feeling optimistic or no? I don't know what to feel. I can't imagine we would spend so much time and energy going after him only to be told "nah, not interested" by the player. Then again, it's united. Not sure what to think
I’m...lost
 
Why are United so desperate to pay €85m for a player, who Barca apparently need to get rid off by any means necessary and who may not actually want to come?
 
Why are United so desperate to pay €85m for a player, who Barca apparently need to get rid off by any means necessary and who may not actually want to come?
Can you not honestly work that one out for yourself? I see a lot of these types of posts and I just can’t grasp the lack of thought process.
 
So... Are we feeling optimistic or no? I don't know what to feel. I can't imagine we would spend so much time and energy going after him only to be told "nah, not interested" by the player. Then again, it's united. Not sure what to think

Not really. 17 million is not something people just give up on. If Barca want to be financially irresponsible then let them. FDJ is good but he's not a sure thing in the prem. I say we give them a final offer and if it's rejected, move on. They'll be stuck with an unhappy player and debt. We can spend the next month plus working on other midfield targets.
 
Why are United so desperate to pay €85m for a player, who Barca apparently need to get rid off by any means necessary and who may not actually want to come?

Because he’s leaving. The whole news reporting is just stupid. Paul Ince didn’t want to leave Manchester United or David Beckham but once a fee is agreed you are pretty much gone. So I don’t know why people are acting like Frenkie saying no, he has all the power. He doesn’t. However he does have power on what he is owed in wages. Which is probably where the future lays.
 
Wonder how quickly this deal could have been done if we were in the CL and not coming off the back of a totally humiliating season.
 
I wonder if Arnold and Murtough have returned because of the Eriksen medical being completed and the need for the contract to be signed?
Whether their talks/business were successful or not, they would have to return to Manchester anyway. They are execs and have a busy summer ahead.
 
Disappointing that this transfer has broken down. I actually thought that it would happen. Hopefully we have other midfield targets identified.
 
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