What was the point of Arnold/Murthough going to Barcelona?
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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We’ve vetoed Thiago move.
The club briefs Ducker that we've got the green light from FDJ's camp, but the doomers need something to justify their post counts by the looks of it.
Sure he could be, usually its in situation as a final heave ho sort of speak to get a deal done. I recall Gill traveled with SAF a few times in a panic to get deals done, it's in one of SAF many Biographies they rushed to get Anderson signed up.
Either way they've left empty handed after a 3rd meeting now with the Barca board.
The contract was renegotiated. That’s why his wage is astronomical from the coming season - to account for that he hasn’t received yet, but legally it’s not a separate amount. If he breaks contract to transfer to us he doesn’t get paid!
Exactly. These features are clearly here for a reason.
No one knows because no one knows what stage this deal is at.
Next one to do this will get a warning .....
My guess is that he's stance is, if you want me gone, then you pay me what you owe me now.
Otherwise getting that money out of Barcelona is going to be like extracting teeth with pliers.
I've heard that there are transfers dating back 4 years where Barcelona have defaulted on paying the instalments to the selling club, and that some of those players have now even been sold on from Barcelona, and with wages due too...!!
I think the most likely scenario is that FdJ would prefer to stay in Barca - keep in mind he's just got engaged to someone who presumably has friends and a life all in the City - and Barca would prefer to keep him, but not pay him what his contract says.
So Barca are going to leverage his desire to stay by getting him to either agree to continue playing at far below his original contract with a view that they'll sell him before paying him what he's owed, or that he might even agree an entirely new deal foregoing what he's owed.
To me, that sounds overly optimsitic from Barca's side, but it also kinda feels like that club is only held together by media manipulation and optimism at this point, so who knows. If I were a d*ck and Barca, I'd just stretch this out til either United move on or the window closes, making sweet, sweet promises and delivering nothing.
So Barca are going to leverage his desire to stay by getting him to either agree to continue playing at far below his original contract with a view that they'll sell him before paying him what he's owed, or that he might even agree an entirely new deal foregoing what he's owed.
To me, that sounds overly optimsitic from Barca's side, but it also kinda feels like that club is only held together by media manipulation and optimism at this point, so who knows. If I were a d*ck and Barca, I'd just stretch this out til either United move on or the window closes, making sweet, sweet promises and delivering nothing.
Exactly. I'm not overly optimistic at the best of times but if this deal was not going well, United would save face and brief that we've ended our interest.
To speak to De Jong, his agent and Barca in person is my guess
Well reports prior said they hadn't agreed on the add on structure, so I imagine that. Also they probably both discussed how to move forward with the deferred wage issue.
The entire structure of the deal was completed and it looks like they asked Barca to stage an intervention with Frenkie
Time to conclude events, we offer a one off payment of £5m to FDJ towards his £17M payments, Barcelona pay £4M on completion of United transfer then two legacy payments in a contract of a further £4M payments 2023 and 2024. We therefore pay £56M + £5m signing on fee plus £15M in add ons. We tell them very politely this is the last offer and must be concluded by Friday. If they say no we move away and tell FDJ we will be back in January or next summer after Barcelona default on his legacy payments and may be bankrupt in other words it’s up to the player he currently is owed £17M, one year down the road it might be £25M and he might only see £5m of that money, Ask the question will he still love Barcelona then especially if xavi doesn’t play him, he loses form and misses the World Cup at Xmas.
Maybe we just need a proper Football transfer negotiation Director or CEO Luke Edwin Van de sar who takes no prisoners and gets what’s best for the club.
Maybe we just need a proper Football transfer negotiation Director or CEO Luke Edwin Van de sar who takes no prisoners and gets what’s best for the club.
Already made this point about 2 weeks ago, folks won't listen.
Martinez is telling Ajax to accept offers, but apparently FDJ can't possibly say anything like he wants to go.
The contract is binding and if FDJ truly wants out he can say exactly like you have.
I would guess more like the crooks at Barca wanted us to pay his £17M legacy and deferred payments and we said rightfully so NO !The entire structure of the deal was completed and it looks like they asked Barca to stage an intervention with Frenkie
Looks shit and attention seeking that's why
No, we do not and should not pay any of his wages for Barca.
Because that clearly not ‘best for our club’.
Excuse for a jolly? Arnold thinks the Estrella in Cheshire is a far cry from the real stuff.
They are not paying him his money, they don’t have it and want us to pay at least half of it is probably nearer to the truth.
Don't think so. Only the basic fee was agreed.The entire structure of the deal was completed and it looks like they asked Barca to stage an intervention with Frenkie
Surely we haven't wasted over a month chasing a guy that has zero intention to join, surely we've been in contact with him before now.
Also, how is it that a club that is financially on it's arse are having a better window than us!
Also, how is it that a club that is financially on it's arse are having a better window than us!
Well we're trying to hijack their player simply cause of their financial strife.
No other club is rushing to sign Barca players cause they know the circus that comes with it. Not us though.
Clearly getting closer this one
That'd be a weird response to what the editor makes possible. If users aren't allowed to utilize it to its fullest, then why not turn some of the features off or sanitize the output?
He renegotiated the original deal and took a wage deferral. In what form exactly is still unknown, despite what the below post says. I’ve already written a long ish boring post on this point but if FDJ’s agent and his lawyers allowed him to sign an agreement which meant that he’d only be paid the deferred wages if he saw out his entire deal, at a time when Barca needed money and he was a saleable asset and whose sale under this purported agreement would release them from massive historical wage obligations to the player, then they’re utterly incompetent. It’s quite literally the first question a legal person would ask.
Perhaps some briefs will be coming out tonight that we have pulled out? It’s too difficult a deal to do here i feel, from the player and his club side. Why did we get ourselves into this load of shite anyway? Surely Ten Hag has an alternative to fall back on now?
The pay cut he would have to accept to make any difference to Barcelonas books is huge. He isn't going to take that pay cut. He deferred his wages, he didn't agree to reduce them. He doesn't want a paycut.
He is even less likely to negotiate with the club when they are still throwing money around. Even if I was at a company I loved I wouldn't accept a pay cut or ignore owed wages if the company was then throwing money around on unnecessary purchases.
It does seem quite a tricky one to solve - over the next 4 years FDJ will earn 88m euros at Barcelona. We are giving him 16m a year which puts him alongside Varane/Bruno as our top earners which is 64m over 4 years. A huge investment on top of the transfer fee. Kicking him out of his dream club and expecting him to lose 24m euros for the privilege isn’t happening. So that leaves Barcelona to make up the short fall - but I think the issue is how do they pay him 24m euros without it impacting the FFP calculations?
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Gerard Romero who I think is super reliable and was the one to break the story of Frenkie to United in the first place just said that they left without an agreement with Frenkie but with an agreement with Barca. So looks like the club sorted the details while they were there.
Think I will come back in August to see if anything has changed.
Is there anything to be said for another wage deferral? He’ll end up like Bobby Bonilla.
You always seem very positive on this. Spill the beans...Clearly getting closer this one
It's off.
Nice place, great paella, amazing sangria, beautiful women, incredible architecture
Regardless of us signing FDJ or not, I cannot fecking wait until Barcelona go bust.
In Ducker’s piece on us signing Martinez that he’s just dropped he states it is understood FDJ wants all of the 17m now if he moves…seems the kid has learned.
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