Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

Frenkie to United?

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ayushreddevil9 said:
Is his WC place secure? Not sure if he starts on a regular basis under Xavi because I haven't watched them last season but if Xavi decides to play Kessie instead of him, would LvG play him at the WC or is the rule only applicable for Utd players?
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yes, his place is secure.

Berwijn also played, simply because he was the best option there and he barely got any minutes at the Spurs. There is noone close to FDJ.
 
Tarrou said:
well yeah true, we can just pay it for them

i personally don’t think we should even consider doing that though, it’s their problem and we shouldn’t solve it for them
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Well, that's if we want him enough. Our deal so far with Barca is €65m + €20m add-ons.

Now it's a matter of those add-ons if Barca can reduce those, say by 10m, and we pay 17m to FdJ. So we lose €7m more but we get the deals done.

Saying that there's nothing United can do more is incorrect.
 
AltiUn said:
That's all well and good but we're not the ones holding the deal up.
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We're also holding up the deal in a way because of the structure we have offered. If we altered the structure to better suit Barcelona's needs,this deal will move at lightning speed from where it is right now. A key reason we have offered what we have offered is because there is still doubt over how transformational Frenkie will be to the team. Otherwise, we'd have offered a much better structure a long time ago. We are the club that paid £80m cash for a player. Conviction is a big part of all negotiations.
 
Dannn411 said:
We're also holding up the deal in a way because of the structure we have offered. If we altered the structure to better suit Barcelona's needs,this deal will move at lightning speed from where it is right now. A key reason we have offered what we have offered is because there is still doubt over how transformational Frenkie will be to the team. Otherwise, we'd have offered a much better structure a long time ago. We are the club that paid £80m cash for a player. Conviction is a big part of all negotiations.
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This is a Barcelona problem though not a Utd one. We shouldn't be their get out of jail free card in this isolated scenario.
Giving extra is the exactly the type of naivety that makes clubs add an extra £10-15m of "Man United Tax" which needs to end.
 
Zed 101 said:
I cannot recall any clubs getting into situations like this, and this is not a one off for UTD every window it is the same, even when we buy a player like Hererra, Maquire etc... there is nonsense more often than not we either get rammed or walk away red faced having spent an entire window chasing our tails
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There wasn't really an issue with the Maguire transfer, we just paid over the odds. That happens to every club, for example, Chelsea and Arsenal have been fecked over left, right and centre this window. Madrid have been left with a huge egg on their face courtesy of PSG and Mbappe.
 
Dannn411 said:
We're also holding up the deal in a way because of the structure we have offered. If we altered the structure to better suit Barcelona's needs,this deal will move at lightning speed from where it is right now. A key reason we have offered what we have offered is because there is still doubt over how transformational Frenkie will be to the team. Otherwise, we'd have offered a much better structure a long time ago. We are the club that paid £80m cash for a player. Conviction is a big part of all negotiations.
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That's not even remotely true, their most reliable journalist has literally said we've agreed our part of the deal.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Sure.

It was an 8v6.

Dalot--VdB--Fred--Shaw
Sancho---Bruno--Rashford
-------------Martial

The other team was :

--AWB--Bailly--Lindelof--Malacia
----------Iqbal---Savage
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Dalot first choice RB and FDJ in place of VdB or Fred then. Iqbal and Savage impressing more than Hannibal and Garner? Very interesting, thanks.
 
Brownie85 said:
This guy is sticking to his stance regardless of what happens. Barca could announce a fee agreed and de Jong could be pictured in a United shirt, and he'd still deny it
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He's a right dick head.
 
Isotope said:
Well, that's if we want him enough. Our deal so far with Barca is €65m + €20m add-ons.

Now it's a matter of those add-ons if Barca can reduce those, say by 10m, and we pay 17m to FdJ. So we lose €7m more but we get the deals done.

Saying that there's nothing United can do more is incorrect.
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yes I know, I already agreed with you

I just don't think the deal is sorted. 17m is a massive difference. All the usual suspects stating it's close a couple of hours after the United lads are pictured in Barca is a bit suspect.
 
groovyalbert said:
Yeah, I think there were a few comments yesterday from journalists saying neither they nor the agents involved in any proposed incoming transfers have a clue how Barca finance these moves. I guess whatever they do will lead to a similar and more dire situation in the years to come. They really are appallingly run. It seems like FdJ's transfer will barely scratch the surface of what's required.



I don't think there's any suggestion that he wants to leave Barca, if there was this would have all been done a long time ago. That's not to say he doesn't want to come here, but I get the sense that he would sooner find a way of staying that doesn't mean him losing out massively financially.
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Forget about the biased, spoon fed reports in the media. The English press are briefed one thing and the Spanish another, just to suit each club's narrative.

Logically speaking, we sound out a player to see if he's open to a move via his agent, then we negotiate with the selling club. I'm sure frenkie was well aware that Barca wanted him to further reduce his wages before he let us know that he might be interested in joining us.

The circumstance are what they are. Obviously, in an ideal world, barca were financially secure and could pay him what he wants and he would retire at his dream club. But football doesn't work like that anymore. There are countless examples of players moving clubs against their desire, just as there are countless examples of players hanging around at clubs where they're no longer wanted. That's elite level sport for you.
 
We've had MUFC literally brief Ducker in almost what read as a club statement "We wouldn't keep going with negotiations if the player wasn't interested".

These other journo's are talking absolute tosh for their clickbait crew.
 
WPMUFC said:
We've had MUFC literally brief Ducker in almost what read as a club statement "We wouldn't keep going with negotiations if the player wasn't interested".

These other journo's are talking absolute tosh for their clickbait crew.
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Its common sense really dunno why wums keep tweeting that. Of course we wouldn't negotiate with the club without asking if the player is interested or not
 
AltiUn said:
That's not even remotely true, their most reliable journalist has literally said we've agreed our part of the deal.
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Do you genuinely believe that if we or another club offered a deal like, say, €85m cash upfront that this deal would still be in uncertain negotiations? The guaranteed amount we have offered is not enough to satisfy their obligation to De Jong and you don't think that has any influence? The reason they agreed to our initial structure is because we're the only club that has even put in a bid. One offer is better than nothing. The moment someone else comes up with a better offer, they move to the top of the list. Our offer structure clearly has influence over the speed of this deal.
 
groovyalbert said:
I don't think there's any suggestion that he wants to leave Barca, if there was this would have all been done a long time ago. That's not to say he doesn't want to come here, but I get the sense that he would sooner find a way of staying that doesn't mean him losing out massively financially.
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thats pretty easy, because he doesn't have to do anything for that.
 
Dannn411 said:
We're also holding up the deal in a way because of the structure we have offered. If we altered the structure to better suit Barcelona's needs,this deal will move at lightning speed from where it is right now. A key reason we have offered what we have offered is because there is still doubt over how transformational Frenkie will be to the team. Otherwise, we'd have offered a much better structure a long time ago. We are the club that paid £80m cash for a player. Conviction is a big part of all negotiations.
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I don't really see that it's about conviction or doubts about how transformational he would be. This transfer is very much coming from the manager so he is the one that is making clear how much of a priority this is. I don't think it's based off Arnold or Murtough's gut feeling.

My guess is that the limits in place are nothing to do with doubts about De Jong but are more about a realisation that De Jong by himself doesn't rescue us, and we need a big summer all round. That means working within our limits. It may also be that the new transfer negotiators are keen not to do things in a way that saw us plonk down 80 million. The fact we're not doing that doesn't necessarily speak to De Jong's effect but might be an attempt to reposition the club in the market.
 
Dannn411 said:
Do you genuinely believe that if we or another club offered a deal like, say, €85m cash upfront that this deal would still be in uncertain negotiations? The guaranteed amount we have offered is not enough to satisfy their obligation to De Jong and you don't think that has any influence? The reason they agreed to our initial structure is because we're the only club that has even put in a bid. One offer is better than nothing. The moment someone else comes up with a better offer, they move to the top of the list. Our offer structure clearly has influence over the speed of this deal.
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I'll say it again, we are not the ones holding up negotiations the fact that they owe de Jong 17m in deferred wages is what's holding up the deal.
 
I’d be surprised if De Jong feels still “loved” when Barca are not even lying his wages anymore.
 
Barca really are slippery bastards if the lastest is true and they’ve informed Xavi I imagine it’s so that he himself can tell De Jong he will be sold he is the “manager” after all.

Also if the above is true I’d imagine it will all be concluded fairly soon. But either way we have a game today!
 
AltiUn said:
I'll say it again, we are not the ones holding up negotiations the fact that they owe de Jong 17m in deferred wages is what's holding up the deal.
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And the structure that we have offered has a big influence over Barcelona's ability to meet the deferred wages obligation to Frenkie De Jong. Barcelona clearly dont have the money to meet that obligation right now and still improve the squad with Lewandowski and Raphinha. Where do you think the money to meet that obligation will come from? €56m guaranteed plus €20m add ons is a lot less than €75m guaranteed or €85m guaranteed.
 
From Ducker's article
Given the choice, De Jong would prefer to stay at the Nou Camp rather than leave but Barcelona are ready to cash in on the player to raise funds and free up space on the wage bill. Barcelona president Joan Laporta’s insistence that they have no intention of selling De Jong came despite three club executives meeting with United’s football director John Murtough and chief executive Richard Arnold in a bid to get a deal over the line.

As well as Barcelona’s sporting director Mateu Alemany and managing director Rafa Yuste, the former United winger, Jordi Cruyff, a sporting advisor at the Nou Camp, was also present at the meeting. United and Barcelona have a broad agreement on price, with an initial fee of €65 million and a further €20m in add ons, but the deal has been held up by the £17m De Jong is owed in deferred wages owing to the temporary salary cut he accepted during the coronavirus pandemic. United remain hopeful of a breakthrough and landing manager Erik ten Hag’s priority summer target.
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