Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

Frenkie to United?

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Theres only one case of walking away thats going to be done, and thats de Jong walking away from the shitshow thats Barcelona
 
LawCharltonBest said:
thanks for your replies to my question

maybe I am wrong, but I thought basically he took a lower wage for 2 seasons and his wage would be much higher for the rest of his contract starting from now, because it includes the “deferred wage” on top.

So if he stayed, Barcelona would still be paying him back, but over the course of his remaining contract. So they’d pay it back over (4?) years rather than as a lump sum now. In that case, they may decide to keep him as it gives them longer to repay him right?

Or am I missing a key detail? / getting it wrong?
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There'll be bonuses kicking in over and above the current figures starting from next season. He'll be on about 500k a week in 23/24, think thats roughly what were paying Ronaldo at the moment.
 
Can De Jong's legal team not just make the transfer happen now and sue Barca for what he's owed later?

Why would this need to be sorted now before a transfer can be arranged?
 
Barca are playing a dangerous game with those deferred wage payments.

I don't pretend to be privy to the agreement they went into with De Jong on his wages, but I can't imagine they would agree to it without some sort of legal agreement.

I genuinely would laugh my arse off if he could just break his contract and sue them for the wages.
 
So are Barcelona trying to make those unpaid wages our problem by adding it to the transfer fee? If so they can get to feck, have fun being insolvent knob heads.
 
If this falls through, go over to Lyon and offer them the money for Maxence Caqueret.
 
caid said:
There'll be bonuses kicking in over and above the current figures starting from next season. He'll be on about 500k a week in 23/24, think thats roughly what were paying Ronaldo at the moment.
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Can definitely see why Barca want to sell then

Hopefully something decisive happens soon
 
LawCharltonBest said:
thanks for your replies to my question

maybe I am wrong, but I thought basically he took a lower wage for 2 seasons and his wage would be much higher for the rest of his contract starting from now, because it includes the “deferred wage” on top.

So if he stayed, Barcelona would still be paying him back, but over the course of his remaining contract. So they’d pay it back over (4?) years rather than as a lump sum now. In that case, they may decide to keep him as it gives them longer to repay him right?

Or am I missing a key detail? / getting it wrong?
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unless FdJ’s agent is a complete plum there will
Have been clauses in the deferral amendment to contract to make assurances for the eventuality that he gets sold before getting the dough he has already earned.
Don’t put anything past Barca though. They will snake and slither to save as much as they can regardless of their moral obligations
 
I wish I could be more positive about this situation but I can't how this drags for a long time and I don't think it will end at the end of the transfer window.

Berbaclass said:
It's in both clubs interests to get ut done before them.
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I don't think it will because Barca ows tons of money to FDJ and his agent and I don't think that they're both would give up on that money. none of us would.
 
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Manchester United’s protracted pursuit of Frenkie de Jong is being held up by money owed to the Netherlands midfielder by Barcelona in wages he agreed to defer due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Despite Barcelona president Joan Laporta’s claims that De Jong is not for sale, United reached a broad agreement with the Catalan club last week over a fee for the Dutchman that would see them pay an initial €65 million (£55m) with around a further €20m (£17m) payable in add-ons.

However, United’s hopes of wrapping up a deal in time for De Jong to join the start of their summer tour have been complicated by deferred wages and bonuses the player is owed from Barcelona after he agreed to take a temporary pay cut to help ease the club’s financial difficulties during the Covid crisis.

De Jong joined Barcelona from Ajax on a five-year contract in 2019 on a fixed annual salary worth £12m but he agreed to reduce his salary by £9.4m in 2020/21 and by £4.3m last season meaning he is owed £13.7m in basic wages.


He is also believed to be owed another £3.4m in waived bonuses for playing in at least 60 per cent of Barcelona’s matches over the previous two seasons.

De Jong extended his contract at the Nou Camp by a further two years to 2026, which allowed Barcelona to spread the deferred payments over a longer period.

But De Jong’s prospective move to Old Trafford means Barcelona face the prospect of having to foot a bill in excess of £17m in wages owed to the player and has left new United manager Erik ten Hag facing an agonising wait to land his priority summer transfer target.
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Thank you very much mate!
 
LawCharltonBest said:
thanks for your replies to my question

maybe I am wrong, but I thought basically he took a lower wage for 2 seasons and his wage would be much higher for the rest of his contract starting from now, because it includes the “deferred wage” on top.

So if he stayed, Barcelona would still be paying him back, but over the course of his remaining contract. So they’d pay it back over (4?) years rather than as a lump sum now. In that case, they may decide to keep him as it gives them longer to repay him right?

Or am I missing a key detail? / getting it wrong?
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Probably depends on the language of the deferral. I imagine that Barca are saying that, "You received all of the income due. The deferral serves to increase next year's salary, which you will now no longer be paid". I can imagine this going to court.
 
I absolutely have zero issues with us dragging out the negotiations. Screw Barca if they think we are such amateurs to pay FDJ's deferred salary while at the same time going out and agreeing terms with Lewandowski, Raphinha and B. Silva when they can't even register some of the players they currently have.

I don't think anybody other than Barca fans believe whatever nonsense Laporta has been spewing out the last few days.
 
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hellhunter said:
So if I understand that correctly, Barca's most dominant issue is wages due to La Liga's ffp, not cash, right?

Surely in that case we pay the £17m to De Jong and substract it from the transfer fee. We get the player, pay the same and their wage troubles relax
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this is what I said yesterday but apparently it won’t happen. Would make sense for all parties.
 
Levi1 said:
Probably depends on the language of the deferral. I imagine that Barca are saying that, "You received all of the income due. The deferral serves to increase next year's salary, which you will now no longer be paid". I can imagine this going to court.
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As I said a few posts up unless FdJ’s agent is completely brainless there will have been clauses in the contract to ensure FdJ doesn’t get fecked over in the event Barca sells him before paying him what he has already earned.
I don’t see a way Barca can escape from this and all the pissing and moaning in the media won’t change a thing.
Am looking forward to the day a player takes them to court and bends them over.
 
DSG said:
It’s not the money mate. The player doesn’t really want to leave. That’s been widely reported.

I would rather suffer through McFred for 4 months, get our fecking act together and scout players we need who want to come here, buy them in the January window than overpay for a CM, both transfer fees and wages, who doesn’t really want to play for us. Didn’t we just finally get rid of a underperforming, overpaid CM?

I say feck the Glazers for being absolute gits, devoid of intelligence and leadership. If ETH can only make this work with Frenkie De Jong, with no other options, no plan B, not a single player who can play the role he needs FDJ to play, then we are in a shitload of trouble.
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So you think going to buy players in January will be cheaper. I recommend you rethink that completely. January buys are always expensive and rarely work out.

whilst I get your point about ETHdo we really want to turn around to our new manager and say sorry you can’t have any of the players you want, you will have to work with shambles you have minus Ronaldo and you better work miracles? Plus you don’t know he hadn’t made other suggestions, but if you look at how he would utilize FDJ it’s clear fdj allows you to play a specific way, that v few other defensive cms do. Neves can’t, ruiz can’t, v few can fdj is reasonably unique. Can eth create a different team with different players of course, if you don’t think so you are being obtuse at best, he showed at Ajax he had effectively three very different teams. However if you expect him to do well with mcFred in midfield you are delusional. If he brings in other players then he will need to reshape the team completely.
 
Cassidy said:
What was officially said and what they actually did is a different story
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No. They offered him a one year extension like they did with Müller and Neuer.
However, Lewandowski didn't accept the offer and suddenly wanted to leave immediately, which Bayern never agreed on.
 
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