A rub club is a completely different run club alright
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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There were quotes at one point about us 'not wanting to bail them out' weren't there?
As a business our revenue growth has actually slowed. We also have facilities which are no longer fit for purpose which means we have devalued our commercial assets like our training ground and stadium. However like I said, we were not only talking about commercials. We are not a well run club and you have even mentioned some of the evidence.
No one said we are worse run than Barca either. The statement was 2 poorly run clubs and the statement is correct
This is Murtough's fault.
A rub club is a completely different run club alright
This makes the real sense about what’s actually going on, isn’t it?
All the others contradictions can be perfectly explained by this.
So the adds on issue is solved already?
So if I understand that correctly, Barca's most dominant issue is wages due to La Liga's ffp, not cash, right?
Surely in that case we pay the £17m to De Jong and substract it from the transfer fee. We get the player, pay the same and their wage troubles relax
Surely in that case we pay the £17m to De Jong and substract it from the transfer fee. We get the player, pay the same and their wage troubles relax
Yes. And fecking idiots like Mark Goldbridge blame United for the dilly dallying on the transfer.
Im pretty sure there isn’t really as issue with addons.
They are trying to get us to pay for them. I'd say feck them.
They were trying to start a bidding war, saying other clubs are interested, that didn't work.
What do they think happen if De Jong stays with them? They gonna have to pay that 17 millions on top of his salary. More levers!
They were trying to start a bidding war, saying other clubs are interested, that didn't work.
What do they think happen if De Jong stays with them? They gonna have to pay that 17 millions on top of his salary. More levers!
I believe so, yes. But if we have to pay the extra €20m, I’m pretty sure we’d rather it go to Frenkie than Barca.. so maybe something in that, I don’t know.. it just feels like there is no way he’ll continue at Barca
Seriously though, is everyone ok with De Jong not signing until 31st August, because that's what I'm expecting at this stage (or at least very close to it)? We can't build our midfield without the most important cog. I think Frenkie's brilliant but I think every day he doesn't sign is putting us further and further behind in our preparation. I don't like that Eriksen isn't joining the pre-season in time for our first game either (and I assume it will be the same for Martinez at this stage).
This is the flagship signing of the rebuild and moreso after the collapse of our midfield last season, everythimg else will fall to shit if we don't get him or a couple of players for midfield this summer. The situationsay not be similar but Eriksen, Martinez and Malacia won't ne enough of a consolation if we are still fielding McFred in four weeks time.
I don't think Barcelona, with the clowns they have in charge, are still a reputable club on his word you can base your summer build. They aren't reliable, we can't afford to be strung along to participate in whatever game they are playing because we don't have the resilience needed to maintain our playing performances when we have a less than perfect summer.
I'd be worried if we hadn't had the same group of players being together for 5+ years and they still can barely string a pass together between them so it's irrelevant if the new boys miss a few weeks.
Done deal. 100% confident
the sooner it happens the better, obviously. But this won't drag on until the end of the window either ... Barcelona will want to actually register their players and bring in more signings (like Lewandowski), so selling de Jong is in their best interest too. It'll take time, but it won't be that long either. Hopefully there'll be a resolution over the next week or two.
If the deal is stuck due to the 20mil deferred payment then why is Romano reporting that Frenkie still wants to stay at Barca? I mean Barca are clearly trying to feck him over with all the contract leaks and the money due. In an ideal world by now he should have left the club and made Jongmentary showcasing the disrespect Barca has caused him.
Nice to hear. I thought the agreement is only on 'broadline". Which could be anything.
What was officially said and what they actually did is a different story
We'll see but people have been saying this for over a month now and I still don't see any sign that it's close to actually being completed, only that FDJ wants the move imo.
Thats the official line, I think we are allowing Barca to sort their mess out
Make of that what you willYou’ve never been anything but 100% confident
I think Barca wants us to cover Frenkie deferred wages through the add ons and that's why it isn't completed.
Walk away United!!.
Walk away United!!.
It's frustrating time to wait.
I don't mind we get FDJ late, as long it's a sure thing, and we do other business.
That's because I can't see any other available CM that can fit in what ETH has in mind. We'll have him for years, so a month or two late isn't a big deal.
Dafuq?
Yes as long as we get it done as well as other deals too. We still need a forward
I would not be suprised
Now we got it figured out and can work on a solution we better walk away
my thoughts exactly.Personally I think we should wait until the pen is in his hand to sign before snatching the contract and marching the feck outta there
De Jong wavers what he’s owed or takes less
United pay a contribution of what he’s owed over his contract
Barca agree to pay a fraction of what he’s owed.
this is probably the outcome.
Barca seem like massive cnuts though. I’m not sure why players still want to go there.
wear there colors for a few seasons and live by the sea then make a sharp exit before they try to feck you over.
United pay a contribution of what he’s owed over his contract
Barca agree to pay a fraction of what he’s owed.
this is probably the outcome.
Barca seem like massive cnuts though. I’m not sure why players still want to go there.
wear there colors for a few seasons and live by the sea then make a sharp exit before they try to feck you over.
It would be like paying Frenkie double wages if that's the case.
We shouldn't bail Barca out of their mess.
It’s ok and must be ok. If he is a superhero for the team, it’s wrong and ETH would not be the right one.
it says that Barcelona owe him £13.7m in wages for the past two seasons, plus £3.4m in bonuses. They intended to pay him those deferred wages until 2026, but now that a sale to United is on the horizon, they are on the hook for those £17m that they owe him. This is currently holding up the deal.Any chance someone cut and paste this article in here please?
Thanks is advance
Yep, there’s been too many games and persistent noise. This wouldn’t have gone on so long were Barca not letting him go, they’re just scrabbling round for every penny they can.
Any chance someone cut and paste this article in here please?
Thanks is advance
Manchester United’s protracted pursuit of Frenkie de Jong is being held up by money owed to the Netherlands midfielder by Barcelona in wages he agreed to defer due to the coronavirus pandemic.
Despite Barcelona president Joan Laporta’s claims that De Jong is not for sale, United reached a broad agreement with the Catalan club last week over a fee for the Dutchman that would see them pay an initial €65 million (£55m) with around a further €20m (£17m) payable in add-ons.
However, United’s hopes of wrapping up a deal in time for De Jong to join the start of their summer tour have been complicated by deferred wages and bonuses the player is owed from Barcelona after he agreed to take a temporary pay cut to help ease the club’s financial difficulties during the Covid crisis.
De Jong joined Barcelona from Ajax on a five-year contract in 2019 on a fixed annual salary worth £12m but he agreed to reduce his salary by £9.4m in 2020/21 and by £4.3m last season meaning he is owed £13.7m in basic wages.
He is also believed to be owed another £3.4m in waived bonuses for playing in at least 60 per cent of Barcelona’s matches over the previous two seasons.
De Jong extended his contract at the Nou Camp by a further two years to 2026, which allowed Barcelona to spread the deferred payments over a longer period.
But De Jong’s prospective move to Old Trafford means Barcelona face the prospect of having to foot a bill in excess of £17m in wages owed to the player and has left new United manager Erik ten Hag facing an agonising wait to land his priority summer transfer target.
United are due to fly to Bangkok on Friday afternoon for the start of their pre-season tour but Tyrell Malacia, the Netherlands left back signed from Feyenoord for an initial £12.9m this week, could be the only new signing on the plane.
Free agent Christian Eriksen has agreed to join United on a three-year deal but the Denmark playmaker - who suffered a cardiac arrest at the Euros last summer - still needs to undergo a stringent medical before a deal can be finalised and faces a race to be involved in the Thailand leg of the tour. United are due to play Liverpool in Bangkok on Tuesday before flying to Melbourne and then later Perth.
United are hoping to reach a compromise with Ajax for Lisandro Martinez after having a £35m bid knocked back last week for the Argentina defender, who is also wanted by Arsenal and valued at around £45m.
But Martinez’s Ajax team-mate, Antony, fears he could be priced out of a move to Old Trafford with the Dutch club - who are eager to retain the Brazil forward for another season - holding out for almost £70 million, substantially more than United are prepared to pay.
There is thought to be some scepticism at Old Trafford that a deal for Antony is viable as things stand although the focus for the moment has been on beating Arsenal to Martinez, who, at just 5ft 9in tall, is very small for a centre-half, especially in the Premier League.
United’s squad were given a day off by Ten Hag on Wednesday. Old Trafford officials are still in the dark over whether Ronaldo - who wants to leave United this summer - will be on the flight to Bangkok after being granted extended leave for “family reasons”.
In a bizarre incident on Wednesday, United captain Harry Maguire appeared to “like” a post on Instagram which repeated a story that one of the reasons Ronaldo was unhappy at Old Trafford was due to having to take a pay cut following the club’s failure to qualify for the Champions League.
Tensions surfaced between Maguire and Ronaldo last season but sources at the club said the story had been “liked” purely by accident and that the England defender had no idea he had done it and subsequently deleted it.
Meanwhile, Jesse Lingard, who left United as a free agent last month and is being chased by Premier League clubs including West Ham and Everton, is set to travel to the United States to listen to pitches from Major League Soccer teams interested in signing the England forward.
Another player who left United as a free agent last month, Paul Pogba, has agreed a four-year deal with Juventus.
Despite Barcelona president Joan Laporta’s claims that De Jong is not for sale, United reached a broad agreement with the Catalan club last week over a fee for the Dutchman that would see them pay an initial €65 million (£55m) with around a further €20m (£17m) payable in add-ons.
However, United’s hopes of wrapping up a deal in time for De Jong to join the start of their summer tour have been complicated by deferred wages and bonuses the player is owed from Barcelona after he agreed to take a temporary pay cut to help ease the club’s financial difficulties during the Covid crisis.
De Jong joined Barcelona from Ajax on a five-year contract in 2019 on a fixed annual salary worth £12m but he agreed to reduce his salary by £9.4m in 2020/21 and by £4.3m last season meaning he is owed £13.7m in basic wages.
He is also believed to be owed another £3.4m in waived bonuses for playing in at least 60 per cent of Barcelona’s matches over the previous two seasons.
De Jong extended his contract at the Nou Camp by a further two years to 2026, which allowed Barcelona to spread the deferred payments over a longer period.
But De Jong’s prospective move to Old Trafford means Barcelona face the prospect of having to foot a bill in excess of £17m in wages owed to the player and has left new United manager Erik ten Hag facing an agonising wait to land his priority summer transfer target.
United are due to fly to Bangkok on Friday afternoon for the start of their pre-season tour but Tyrell Malacia, the Netherlands left back signed from Feyenoord for an initial £12.9m this week, could be the only new signing on the plane.
Free agent Christian Eriksen has agreed to join United on a three-year deal but the Denmark playmaker - who suffered a cardiac arrest at the Euros last summer - still needs to undergo a stringent medical before a deal can be finalised and faces a race to be involved in the Thailand leg of the tour. United are due to play Liverpool in Bangkok on Tuesday before flying to Melbourne and then later Perth.
United are hoping to reach a compromise with Ajax for Lisandro Martinez after having a £35m bid knocked back last week for the Argentina defender, who is also wanted by Arsenal and valued at around £45m.
But Martinez’s Ajax team-mate, Antony, fears he could be priced out of a move to Old Trafford with the Dutch club - who are eager to retain the Brazil forward for another season - holding out for almost £70 million, substantially more than United are prepared to pay.
There is thought to be some scepticism at Old Trafford that a deal for Antony is viable as things stand although the focus for the moment has been on beating Arsenal to Martinez, who, at just 5ft 9in tall, is very small for a centre-half, especially in the Premier League.
United’s squad were given a day off by Ten Hag on Wednesday. Old Trafford officials are still in the dark over whether Ronaldo - who wants to leave United this summer - will be on the flight to Bangkok after being granted extended leave for “family reasons”.
In a bizarre incident on Wednesday, United captain Harry Maguire appeared to “like” a post on Instagram which repeated a story that one of the reasons Ronaldo was unhappy at Old Trafford was due to having to take a pay cut following the club’s failure to qualify for the Champions League.
Tensions surfaced between Maguire and Ronaldo last season but sources at the club said the story had been “liked” purely by accident and that the England defender had no idea he had done it and subsequently deleted it.
Meanwhile, Jesse Lingard, who left United as a free agent last month and is being chased by Premier League clubs including West Ham and Everton, is set to travel to the United States to listen to pitches from Major League Soccer teams interested in signing the England forward.
Another player who left United as a free agent last month, Paul Pogba, has agreed a four-year deal with Juventus.
Sure, we’ll pay De Jong the 17m he’s owed by you.
The fee is now 39m though.
The fee is now 39m though.
What will happen if Barcelona refuse to pay the deferred wage?
He’ll just have to stay and play out his contract?
He’ll just have to stay and play out his contract?
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