The joyless bore for the past half decade has been when the footy returns.
At least in muppet season you can lie to yourself and dream.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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The joyless bore for the past half decade has been when the footy returns.
At least in muppet season you can lie to yourself and dream.
There’s so many people in here that think this is a done deal and get scratchy at anyone who has a different opinion. Of course we all want him to sign but this has dragged on and on now. IF this does fall through then it really wouldn’t be surprising. Been there, done it and got the t-shirt
Glazers out: Parasites on the club.
Glazers out: Parasites on the club.
Transfers have been the only fun thing about Utd in a long time. Let’s hope that can change this season.
Jesus wept. It will probably be every managers favourite Scottish midfielder.
It's a slap in the face especially when they are bringing in players on big salaries. I get they might be a dream club but that's childhood shite, when you're asked to basically play 4 years for nothing and a club comes along who has just hired a manager that knows how to use you to your potential and the club will have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM given a nice big wage and paying it. Just a reminder Pogba said 300k was a slap in the face to him. So if 300k for Pogba is our slap in the face, imagine how much we'd give Pogba if they two sides were still happy with each other. Ronaldo leaving opens up 500k per
I think right now de Jong wants his back pay and Barca is saying no or wants us to pay it. I think that might be the +20M add-ons. We want it to be incentives he hits. They want it to clear de Jong's back pay so they get more money "from the levers" Getting de Jong off the books and 85m in will make their books better. Then they'll go spend 100m for someone and be in the same situation 2-3 years later.
It's like a nasty drug habit, can't seem to kick it.
But on a more serious note, I don't understand why some of you take so much umbrage at any sort of pessimism. We've been more or less consistently shit for nine years now - it's not exactly unfounded negativity to say that it probably won't magically change in a flash. We signed loads of promising players throughout these years, only for most of them to turn out disappointing in the end. It's safest to expect nothing - it hurts less that way.
I think it's close
Weird to think that FdJ doesn't want to come to United and that we should walk away. Makes no sense.
I have no real feelings on it. Over the past decade Muppet season has been the fun part of following the club because we’ve actually brought in exciting players.
I don’t expect us to be crap, likewise I don’t expect us to be good, but I hope for a good summer window and we’ll see what happens when the footy starts.
Relax lads!
The Window hasn’t opened yet
Its not as if our rivals have bought anyone yet
The lads haven’t reported back for pre season
The lads haven’t gone on pre-season tour yet
Its not as if our rivals have bought anyone yet
The lads haven’t reported back for pre season
The lads haven’t gone on pre-season tour yet
We have 2 pretty much done in fairness. Not sure how many clubs have more than 2?
Why are you so invested in our investment?
And if De Jong were to lower his wages and fall in line, then its not exactly a big issue for them, given they intended forwarding of TV rights which will earn them over 400m euros.
On the balance sheet and in terms of FFP its his wages over the remainder of his contract that is the big problem.
Same with Dembele, who Barca want to keep, but not on the wages the previous management put him on
And on top of that in a few years (maybe even 1) he's going to be phased out completely for Pedri and Gavi, if that's not already the case.
He's busy with the Malacia deal and teams that actually doing business you dumb cnuts
They aren’t bringing in the players they are chasing without selling though, “levers” or no levers, they need big money off the wage sheet and money in the bank.
So, if they decide instead to not pursue any more players, ignore the Lewa and Raphinha deals, and then Frenkie says “feck it, you owe me nothing, I’ll write off the tens of millions as I just love it here, and I’ll happily also reduce my wages by more than 50% so you can pay Kesse and Christensen”…. Yes, maybe then they could keep him.
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400m euros is enough money in the bank, De Jong needs to go due to the wages, not the money in the bank
Feels like this deal is going backwards now
Just standard Barca board smear campaigning. When de Jong goes it will be "agent was hard to work with/greedy" and "we wanted Frenkie to stay but he refused to reduce his salary" and "he chose money over the badge"
It is a great study of human bizareness that so many of you are commenting on this with any conviction either way.
Who knows? Good chance he comes, he also might not. More updates from me to follow.
Who knows? Good chance he comes, he also might not. More updates from me to follow.
Yes all whilst your unzipped waiting for Sancho day
Intriguing thought process considering all the reliable updates we’ve heard say that we are talking with Barcelona. Don’t really see how that is going backwards.
Only giving this a 6-9% chance of happening now
Your making the incredible mistake of thinking so short term, that’s exactly the thinking that got them into this mess!
So they sell off future revenue, massively increase their wage bill again with Kesse, Christensen, Lewa & Raphinha, spend on Raphinha and Lewa and bring in nothing in player sales? Sounds like a good plan.
Until Summer 2023, when they have a massive 400m missing from their revenue from the previous year, have lower revenue even from regular years due to the pay day loans and now can’t register half their squad
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Why so negative
Mods can you change their name to "negativityfan"?
Your making the incredible mistake of thinking so short term, that’s exactly the thinking that got them into this mess!
So they sell off future revenue, massively increase their wage bill again, spend big on Raphinha and Lewa and bring in nothing in player sales? Sounds like a good plan.
Until Summer 2023
No they don't.
Because no one not even Lewandoski will be getting the crazy wages they were previously giving out, there is a defined wage structure.
They have also moved on a few players already and are moving on more. Maybe you should view things past the context on De Jong.
In any case they have already brought in 200m+ to balance last years books, and are bringing in another 400m for transfers and other investments.
If they sell De Jong that's great, but selling him for the fee isn't what is critical, it's the wages and keeping within the newly defined wage parameters
One thing to note is that Bernado Silva, who is the intended replacement for De Jong will cost more than what they get for De Jong, so the transfer fee received here is not the critical piece clearly
It’s bizarre alright.
But I keep coming. Ack and reading the same old Tom Kite over & over again.
Now off to the Martinez thread to find out if he’s tall enough.
Onwards!
Lewa will take up €30 Million in salary space
I am personally leaning towards cautious optimism due to what I believe are some structural changes that are happening at the club including ETH's appointment rather than the easier choice of Poch. I do understand that some might be more pessimistic. Heck, if someone is very optimistic, I would be wary of that.
However, what gets my goat is this incessant walk away nonsense as well as posting negative shit (like believing Laporta's word as gospel) that has been debunked over and over again. I am not saying that this has been an easy deal but deals with Barcelona are seldom easy due to the political nature of the club. Reading the same tired nonsense is grating.
Mkhitaryan's long lost bro.
There's a law in Spain that you can't lower a person's wage with more than 40%. Even if they do that, they still owe him millions in deferred payments from his previous contract.
The only solution would be for him to somehow write off a shitload of money in order to keep playing for them. Nobody is that stupid, let's be honest.
Also, it still wouldn't help Barcelona. What would help them is a flat 80 mil from us so they can pay him 40 mil they're owing and get him off the books.
The longer this shit draws out, the lower the price United should get. Barca are that desperate to sell.
How do you know?That would be a sight to behold...He's well within his right to take the 3rd option though. No pay cut and stay
de Jong single handidly destroying the club he claims to love haha
Just all the usual negative nancy nonsense we see literally every time. You’d think these people would get bored.
No he won't, he is rumoured to receive 16m euros if he moves
Thought I’d report back. The considered wisdom is he might not be.
You’re still missing the point, just because they get 200m + 400m now, doesn’t mean they will next year, in fact, of course they fecking won’t, it’s a one time fire sale.
So if they use a large portion of that 400m to bring in these players, what the feck do they do next year when the massive 600m gap in the books from the previous year is there?
How the feck do they then register their players for 2023-2024?
I'd love it if he had been asked by United to stall in order to put pressure on Barca to ultimately get a move on.
Do Barca need the money more or do we need the player more? Interesting one.
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