yeah but do you not think we all know that by now? Literally every day you’re coming out with the same miserable comments, and you’ve got like 145 posts in this thread all saying more or less the same thing. Take a day off and go for a bike ride or something, geez. I genuinely worry about you sometimes.
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yeah but do you not think we all know that by now? Literally every day you’re coming out with the same miserable comments, and you’ve got like 145 posts in this thread all saying more or less the same thing. Take a day off and go for a bike ride or something, geez. I genuinely worry about you sometimes.
If we were to get him though, I don't think Fred or Scott will be enough defensive cover, we would still need a DM imo
But Rice has developed into more of a box to box player.
From a piece in the Athletic:
From a different piece in The Athletic:
And in his own words:
And it shows statistically too. This season he was 81st percentile for carries, 89th percentile for progressive carries, 98th percentile for progressive carrying distance, 99th percentile for total carrying distance, 80th percentile for carries into the penalty area, 92nd percentile for carries into the final third, etc. That constant driving forward with the ball that didn't exist in his game a few seasons ago is indicative of his switch to a more box to box role.
Let’s just move on, so tired of this fecking bullshite. He never wants to come, and we cant afford to pay the price it takes to get him here. It’s a fecking waste of time here and we are missing out on other potential targets.
And stay away from windows especially if you work or live in tall buildings.
How is it tiring? The window just opened a few days ago. Another couple of months to go.
When Utd actually do something in this window maybe I will take a day off from ranting about what a shitshow we are
People absolutely cacking themselves after every single non-story twitter post a handful of days into the window 
Have to wonder how any of you cope with having to watch our actual games.
Have to wonder how any of you cope with having to watch our actual games.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_positivity
Dont promote this stuff. Some are connected way too deeply with this club than you can imagine so atleast you can do is stop telling others what to do.
Going for a bike ride sounds like a healthy way of dealing with sadness and depression, it's not remotely what your wiki post described really, but I will absolutely take your advice and leave croadyman to freely comment on his sadness over Frenkie De Jong not having signed for Man Utd yet.
It’s already on 273 pages now, and we still have couple of months to go. Think about that.
Accepting a degree of negativity is one thing. Spamming the forum with what are essentially the same negative comments is another. And too many people are doing the latter, which makes the football forum a drag.
its the same every transfer window. Need to be a tortoise about it.
I guess the realistic expectation from the start should have been that this will take a while. The midfield improvement is the key, so I hope the club would do whatever it takes to satisfy Erik's requirement.
So I get you are very happy about our past transfer dealings then, and looking forward to no change this time. I get that.
Indeed. Well said. It's the footballing equivalent of "one song, you've only got one song" only here it's "one moan, you've only got one moan"
Again, that's what you think but atleast you acknowledge that you should let people be.
Aren't you telling others what to do yourself? Don't just throw a link around and pretend to be some sort of armchair psychologist. The link has nothing to do with anything.
I'm not pretending to be anyone. And lots of people on here promote what the link says so get your facts right.
No. I am not going hysterical like some people and get upset that the transfers have not been done yet.
How many of us here have ever been involved in player transfer negotiations? I am almost certain none.
And yet everyone talks as though they are some transfer genius and thinks it ought to be done better and faster -- and the new United transfer team is just like the old one. Crap.
The closest thing I can relate to is some sort of capital spending like a house. Or at work. The negotiation for buying of a house can take up to a year if you really want to extract the best value.
But other than that, I don't profess to have any knowledge. So why get so upset over something that I have no personal knowledge about? You have to assume the new team knows what they are doing -- like at work, you always assume others are smarter than you until proven otherwise.
I disagree, I don't see anyone spreading false positivity or 'being upbeat'. They are just sick of the defeatist attitude going on. Negativity spreads like wildfire.
Okay. Dont want to derail the thread.
He is now on holiday.
Knowing how it will transpire for on holiday transfer saga, we have to wait until the end of summer.
Knowing how it will transpire for on holiday transfer saga, we have to wait until the end of summer.
Well let’s just say, we have been into 8 years of mismanagement of this club, and we have to compete with rivals who are doing far better than us (both on field and transfer dealings). You can’t really blame our fans losing faith and patience on our ongoing projects and getting upset with our management, especially when we are seeing no pattern of change/improvements yet again this summer.
How do we know that? The transfer team's different to start with. The window's been opened a week and the new manager only got in 3 weeks ago.
Because we are in deep shite and need to make lots of changes for next season, and new manager has said he needs to have his squad ready earlier before the preseasons starts.
We have been making zero progress so far (as compared to our rivals), wasting time on targets who has expressed many time didn’t want to join us, and some of our other potential targets have already gone to our rivals.
It's a new team. So it's unfair to compare it to Liverpool or City who themselves took a while to develop their currently well-oiled machine too.
I bet ETH hasn't gone on his planned holiday yet.
He and the rest of the team have so much to do before the 27th of June when most of the players come back. He has to analyse what he has in place for every position -- and then figure out what the gaps are in accordance to his philosophy.
He has never had them in training yet -- only video analysis. It will be tough for him to make any decisions on his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th transfer options are at this point. What he needs against what he has available whether within the club or externally.
Then he has to plan out the season -- a weird one in view of a Winter WC.
Liverpool and City on the other hand have coaches that have been there for years. they know what they have and what their gaps are. So its infinitely easier for them to know what they want -- like a year ago and start making contacts with the respective players' agents back in December.
ETH only got here less than 3 weeks ago. Things have been in a holding pattern until he officially starts. Only he knows what are the critical/priority pieces to his philosophy. Based on the reporting traffic, we can assume Frenkie is critical. The rest are secondary.
So, yeah, other than that, we have no clue where they are in terms of the process.
But like I said earlier unless proven otherwise, we must assume they know what they are doing.
It's not a linear process of transfer negotiations. There are always twists & turns. One is trying to extract the best value and the other is trying to extract the highest value. Opposite ends of the spectrum. (I do startups for a living and I know the mess it is starting from ground zero/concept only. I have also bought a couple of my own houses so I know how investments that cost a bit takes. It's naturally messy but if you know what you are doing you will get there with the inevitable twists & turns along the way.)
We fret if there is nothing done by the end of July. Then I will join the doom & gloom squad.
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Maybe that’s why I think we need to keep Rangnick here to help out our transitional phase in terms of advising our new manager our squad weakness and help bringing in right types of players during the summer.
Now we will have to risk our next season for giving extra time for our new manager to work with our current players, analyzing our squad and identify needs, while watching our rivals picking up all the good players in the market during the summer.
I am not complaining our long term prospect, but it really feel shite we are acting slow and jeopardizing our new season again, when this could be well avoided and better prepared with careful planning months ago.
Players we’ve missed out so far this summer:
- Haaland to City (we never have a chance though)
- Tchouameni to Real Madrid (we once thought we have a chance)
- Nunez to Liverpool (we once thought we have a good chance)
- Kamara to Villa (we need a DM)
- Bissoma to Spur (we need a DM)
I am sure the list would be longer and longer if we let things drag abit longer.
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I'm okay if we move on from FDJ but switch to the alternate target and get it done ASAP. We wont get #1 targets all the time, the priority is to move on ASAP to the other ones.
I like both Eriksen and Antony.
But neither of these players can cover or partly cover our biggest issue: A missing DM
Problem is if we wait too long and still miss out on De Jong, our 2nd, 3rd & 4th choice will have accepted a different offer.
We no longer has the pull to keep players waiting for our decision. Players like Sangara will most likely not be available next month, or their price will go up as clubs do not want to sell with less change of a replacement.
He’s better than anyone we can sign right now and we’ve just lost Paul Pogba. We have barely got any midfielders at our club never mind a world class one.
It would be tough to find anyone remotely with his ability available without overpaying.
I agree in theory about Rangnick. But the results didn't help him build credit within the hierarchy and his pressers were nothing short of a disaster. There is a reason why pressers are bland but Ralf decided to suck up to the fans and lost the players/management instead. Maybe his ego got bloated when he became the manager. Trust me we have all been there.
What's different with this summer window is that I think it's about as clean a break from the legacies of the previous managers -- with the last player under Moyes leaving. Plus it's a new player transfer team. They won't have Matt Judges' Blackbook of agents also if they need to shift out players.
As to that list of players you mentioned, those clubs would have been working with the respective agents' for months. As to the last two, I would agree with you that they were gettable -- but maybe ETH does see the need to have a pure DM? We don't know what ETH wants.
And ETH to this day won't know all the gaps and players that he needs to keep or buy. If he wants to have a say-so in the transfer of any players, the transfer team will need his buy-in and in this current window, wait for him to do his due diligence on the squad.
This time next year you can bet he has a target list prepared before January 2023.
I’m reckon the club will walk away from the deal and PSG come and swoop him up for less than the club were quoted.
Then ETH needs to stick his neck out and tell the negotiation team to close the deal at what ever cost. Then he will be more limited on what he can do in other positions.
It's ETH's foundational position. So he must decide.
Cesc part two
This signing has failure written all over it. The guy wants to stay at Barca, don't drag him here offering him the prospect of making more money. Bring someone who wants to be here, not someone who says I am at the biggest club in the world and feeling good.
Nah context is everything with stats.
Just not relevant is it. I’m invested deeply with this club and for that very reason I find reasons to be positive. If you are constantly looking for the negatives everywhere that’s all you will find. That’s not “toxic positivity” it’s called glass half full rather than empty. People need to get a grip, the club has made mistakes but give it some time to recitify them before stripping like toddlers. If we do crap summer business I’ll be right there stropping come the end but let’s leave it till then ey.
Is toxic positivity the new 'top red'?
You're reaching so far here you'll put your back out mate.
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