At least the music appears to be still playing. That might be all we have going for us.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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I don't know what happened with Kane honestly, I expected him to go then he just decided "shit I better get back to training"
Brighton wanted over 50 million GBP, again it wasn't a saga they didn't meet the asking price. They effectively backed out, Brighton wanted them to come back with an improved bid.
Chelsea came in with the money they wanted. My point is with United's "number one priority" it's always a saga, it lasts months, sometimes two windows to get the deal done.
When was the last time we just met an asking price and they came for our top target? Maguire and Sancho took two windows for instance. Other top clubs in Europe usually get their signings done early without great hassle.
Pogba took the entire summer and had a huge build up, Aquire Me obviously knows because he was the one who knew the person in Adidas marketing department.
I'll be amazed when United have a target, pay the price and get the deal done, but I think it's done deliberately. The smaller deals never take long at all for United.
How exactly ? Jorginho and FDJ isn't starting together. Neither is FDJ and Kova ?
Kante and FDJ would be a perfect pairing but I doubt Jorginho or Kova will be a bench option.
If they sign FDJ , I would happily take one of them at United
Actually, they won't. FDJ moves around with the ball a lot and isn't as disciplined as Jorginho or Kante.
I give you that we tend to get one really long saga every year, but other clubs are experiencing exactly the same from time to time. Liverpool and VVD did not go fast at all to name one.
They waited until January to get him yes. I just feel like with United the #1 priority is made to drag deliberately. I don't really understand how United go "ok let's sit back for months and we'll come back at the end and pay the money". When it came to Sancho, Dortmund said "the deadline is the deadline" and when United came back at the end they said... "Too bad, we were serious when we said this was the deadline, you missed it come back next year".
We had to wait for the following summer once they were done in the CL, and of course Sancho had a poor start to that season in Germany because he thought he was United bound.
It's also why I partially believe United will get FDJ, but they'll end up paying his wages or doing something to make him sign soon. E.g a higher sign on bonus because I think they're holding back now intentionally, just like they did on other sagas.
I hope they speak to Kessie's agent too -- in case he doesn't get registered by this weekend. The sort of opportunistic deals that they seem to thrive on recently.
Despite total negativity I still feel we might give this one last go in the next 24 hours, whether that involves any more trips to Barca I haven't a clue.
Somehow we have gotta find a trump card from outta nowhere to turn his head back in our direction. He has been the top target for 3 months so shouldn't just let him go to Chelsea without a fight to bitter end.
Somehow we have gotta find a trump card from outta nowhere to turn his head back in our direction. He has been the top target for 3 months so shouldn't just let him go to Chelsea without a fight to bitter end.
Come on United. Get this done. This could be the Van Dijk type of signing for United.
So, I watched Romero’s most recent channel video and then looked at the information most recently available from outlets and it paints a pretty clear picture actually.
De Jongs agents were supposed to meet with Barcelona today. It apparently didn’t happen, because De Jong wants to be there. They are going to tell him how much they want him to stay, and he DOES want to stay at Barcelona. But he will have to agree to an extreme wage decrease, and to cut the amount of deferred wages down to 6 million.
If De Jong gives in and accepts this, then it is over. But they are going to require a decision tomorrow.
If he says “Hey Pique, did you play for free at 25? Didn’t think so brah. Later”
Then it comes down to a choice of United and Chelsea. If you believe we don’t have agreements in place ready to trigger, and terms that will automatically match or exceed United, then I think you are being naively hopeful. You are going to have to pay the back wages as well to seal this because if he decides to leave he will want his money, and Boehly will pay it to get over the line. Apparently you have already discussed this part as well though.
But nothing will happen until Frenkie makes that decision and gives in one way or the other.
The aggregate of the betting houses on multiple countries currently have the likelihood in this order:
1. Chelsea
2. Barcelona
3. United
Tomorrow should be very interesting and a lot of fun.
De Jongs agents were supposed to meet with Barcelona today. It apparently didn’t happen, because De Jong wants to be there. They are going to tell him how much they want him to stay, and he DOES want to stay at Barcelona. But he will have to agree to an extreme wage decrease, and to cut the amount of deferred wages down to 6 million.
If De Jong gives in and accepts this, then it is over. But they are going to require a decision tomorrow.
If he says “Hey Pique, did you play for free at 25? Didn’t think so brah. Later”
Then it comes down to a choice of United and Chelsea. If you believe we don’t have agreements in place ready to trigger, and terms that will automatically match or exceed United, then I think you are being naively hopeful. You are going to have to pay the back wages as well to seal this because if he decides to leave he will want his money, and Boehly will pay it to get over the line. Apparently you have already discussed this part as well though.
But nothing will happen until Frenkie makes that decision and gives in one way or the other.
The aggregate of the betting houses on multiple countries currently have the likelihood in this order:
1. Chelsea
2. Barcelona
3. United
Tomorrow should be very interesting and a lot of fun.
Yeah fun for you because already have a top midfield whereas we have the worst one in the whole league and fear it gets worse
That doesn't even bare thinking about. Worst outcome possible. ETH won't last the season if he tries to continue with McFred.
Not sure if you're tongue in cheek here or trying your old "ITK" act?
I read somewhere, could be on this forum that the new FFP rules are over the next three years. So if they do all their spending this year and very little the next two, they should be alright.
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That seems so odd. So these agents fly from where ever they are in the world to Barca with a plan of meeting the club executives. But when they land, their client tells them not to meet with them? If I was his agent I’d ask the cnut if he couldn’t have told me that before I got a flight to get to Barca. A simple text or call would have enough to avoid this unnecessary travel to contribute to global warming.
I think he is insane if he willingly gives up and waives away 11m, but I still have not changed my stance. There is going to be a compromise. Barca will come up with the necessary means once again
Essentially what Barca are doing is like your employer saying, I know I owe you 6 months wages and you earn £10 an hour, but can you just forget about what you're owed and accept £4 an hour instead going forward. Mental
Sport [shite outlet IMO] reckon again tomorrow on their front page deal is almost closed for 80m euros, and its just awaiting FDJ and agent to agree terms with us. As many here pointed out, there is some serious guesswork going on, and mud slinging hoping something sticks.
I'm confident we won't do that. I'd hate it if we did. Paying over €100m for this guy is lunacy, I would hope we've already learnt our lesson.
Waiting for months with our pants around our ankles is equally ridiculous. Why not just go for the alternatives if we have them as alternatives. It's not like we are building from a position of strength and can thus just wait indefinitely for that one player who is the missing piece. We are completely underwhelming, especially in CM, yet we are nowhere close to getting any deals done. A lot of paper talk. Nothing for our club seems easy and frankly soon a lot of fans will start feeling apathetic about it or will just bury their head in the sand and say all is fine (like we are seeing even now).
Its lunacy until its not.
Same shit all the time
£30m for a defender? Rio Ferdinand
£30m for a teenager? Rooney
£55m for a midfielder? De Bruyne
£80m for a defender? Vvd
€145m for a teenager? Mbappe
Factor in how much money is in the epl now, paying €100m isn't too far off paying what de bruyne went for 7 years ago, its probably less considering the going rate now
Which one? There are so many. Like missing out on Hazard and Haaland because of agents and clauses.
I think United’s complete and utter desperation for him is why I have maintained that you’re still heavily favored over us to get him. If you guys miss out on him it’s a disaster whereas if we miss out on him nobody in and around the club lose any sleep. We’ve got a great midfield as it is and don’t need De Jong. He’d be a pure “feck you/because we could” sort of signing like City/PSG/Barca/Real Madrid often do.
Your clubs’ desperation will likely see you blow our wage offer out of the water. We surely won’t go above what we just gave Sterling as our highest earner which is just over £300k. You guys will probably offer him the same sort of wage he’s on at Barca.
Your clubs’ desperation will likely see you blow our wage offer out of the water. We surely won’t go above what we just gave Sterling as our highest earner which is just over £300k. You guys will probably offer him the same sort of wage he’s on at Barca.
We will match his wage at barca I bet
Unmitigated disaster but everything is pointing to it becoming the most likely outcome. Will be tough for Erik to recover from missing out on his top target this season.
And floating that he favours Chelsea would be a good way to encourage United to offer him silly money... Not saying I think that's the case but it could be.
Yeah the clause cost us Haaland (dreading that game at Old Trafford), in regards to Hazard Fergie was old fashioned in his views on agent fees.
The odds reflecting the public consensus which is not a good indicator in such situation. Not at all. It actually reflects the effects of misinformation and propaganda campaign. That’s why Barca is going full throttle to run this last-push campaign now. They just want to setup a panic scenario to lure the other parties conceding more.
Kante, Jorginho and Kovacic to play with versus McFred.
Champions League versus Europa League.
London versus Manchester
Recent European success in the CL versus slightly less recent success in the EL.
An owner willing to splash as much cash as he wants versus parasites.
I don't see what we offer him at all beyond working again with ETH and let's face it, it's not 100% a guarantee that it'll work again.
Far to much negativity in this thread, its got a Frenkie Friday feeling all over this.
Day before Barca have to register their players, it will be reported on sky and the sky will be red.
Red sky at night Frenkie delight
Just saying
I must have missed the Haaland stuff. How did we miss out? I don't think he ever had any intention of coming here and he'd never pick us over City right now.
Has it ever been confirmed Hazard preferred us? Chelsea had just won the CL.
The most recent and relevant lesson is Pogba. In fact, us having one of the highest paid squads in the world is a joke in itself and the wages some of our players are on us laughable. FDJ is not worth €100m anyway. No way he should cost more than he cost Barca when he's not lived up to his hype and they maybe want rid anyway. We need to stop acting like mugs.
Memes got to die elsewhere, so, popping this one here.
Throw Veronique from the Train
Throw Veronique from the Train
Would be pretty incredible for us to get beaten to the punch by Chelsea on this one considering how invested we've been in this all summer and how important it was for our new manager. Then you have to consider the fact that he'd make Chelsea so much stronger in a position where we are utterly useless and it makes the task of catching up to our rivals a real struggle.
All in all, we seem to be heading towards a huge failure of a summer from Murtough and Arnold.
All in all, we seem to be heading towards a huge failure of a summer from Murtough and Arnold.
I think it's rumoured that Haaland would have come to United instead of Dortmund but Mino was demanding a release clause and we weren't going to do that.
Come on Frenkie.
I am a bit of a selfish cnut too but I'm making an effort. I don't leave the tap running any more while cleaning my teeth and I try not to put any lights on until at least 10pm.
Come on son you can do it too.
Don't be a cnut.
I am a bit of a selfish cnut too but I'm making an effort. I don't leave the tap running any more while cleaning my teeth and I try not to put any lights on until at least 10pm.
Come on son you can do it too.
Don't be a cnut.
I still have faith because I'm a dumb feck.
Frenkie's coming to Manchester Boys!
Frenkie's coming to Manchester Boys!
If de Jong wants to go to Chelsea it's a pretty poor contract negotiation tactic to tell them so. When he wanted to go to Barcelona his agent negotiated with PSG to push Barcelona to match their offer. The truth is nobody really has a clue what decision he'll make but having two clubs vying for him will get him the best possible contract.
I don’t think you are automatically out on this transfer or any other player we would compete for. But history tells us that more often than not they’ll turn you down over Chelsea. At least from the competing bids that were made public. I don’t know of a single player that went to you over us but you very welcome to correct me.
That being said, I still believe this boy is staying and you’ve wasted your summer for nothing. We haven’t bid unless the situation changes according to various sources and I’ve said all along I don’t expect us to bid. But you never know in football.
After all these insults and humiliation, a player would normally want to be where he will be most respected and wanted. I still believe he will come.
But the noise is now all regarding Chelsea and not us. I wasn't bothered about this transfer till now but majorly strengthening a rival is so much worse than the player refusing to leave.
Another nail in our coffin if he picks Chelsea.
From the last match looks like he wanted to at least try McFred out and when it quickly turned to shit he did made some adjustment in the middle in the second half so its interesting to see what we will play against Brenford.
What I worry more about is that ETH is forced to play McFred since we have no other options should anyone gets injured, so even Rabiot and FDJ/SMS would be crucial in that sense.
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