He don’t neglect it, he’s already spoken about it. He said that he will develop someone else to do it. We as fans should be as excited about player development as a signing, that’s what this club was built on after all before we all became spoilt
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Cause he believes there is no one in the market who can significantly boost the midfield. I'd rather we buy someone who fits the bill next season than spunk massive amounts on a mediocre midfielder just cause they are better than McFred.
There will be people posting here in October still convinced he's coming. After he's penned his new deal at Barca.
Calm down ffs
Imagine if this happened at City? It happened last summer with Kane! And then Ronaldo on the last day rejected them even. They ended up winning the title, and got Haaland now instead. At the end of the day, the manager makes the decision for himself and what he feels he needs. Not what the fans feel United needs. If the manager feels he is comfortable going into the season with Fred, Eriksen, Bruno, Donny, McTominay and Garner as a midfield group, then who the feck is anyone else to say otherwise? So he's going for Frenkie due to his ability but if not, fine to use the funds elsewhere. Its a perfectly reasonable opinion.Again, something many on here seem to fail to understand, the manager makes the decisions he feels are right for his needs. He'll be judged on the development of the team and on performances and results at the end of the day, not on which midfielder we sign. You seem to be forgetting that the transfer market isn't the most important part of football. So calm the feck down. You expect some serious implications? Like what! Don't be a twat
I remember the last Summer every was convinced we’d seriously worsened our squad
Madrid chased the same player for two seasons and even sold players to make room for him supposedly, then decided not to go to them.
Not every problem is solved by a shiny new signing. ETH will have a contingency plan, that won’t necessarily involve buying somebody.
I remember the last Summer every was convinced we’d seriously worsened our squad
I remember 2006 being bad for that.
Then... 2009?
I may have blocked out the last 9 years.
Yeah me neither and greatly admire both yours and @Berbaclass's strong stance on this. True transfer muppets who won't throw the towel in just because of negative reports
So we shouldn't retain confidence because the only sources saying he's considering a pay cut are crappy ones?
The fact that de Jong himself hasn't said anything at all, and it's all third party sources, or "views from the Barcelona locker room"?
Theres lots that doesn't make sense, and reports are contradicting eachother all the time. Until United either pull away from the deal, or our reliable, trusted journos report that it's very unlikely he'll come, i've no reason to believe it's off
Did anyone see that ludicrous display last night?
Yeah shit happens all the time. But there are situations that are more serious than other situation, I'm sure you would agree, right?
Good oneThey won the fecking league ffs
Seriously guys, it is fine to be angry or bummed out as todays outlook isn't a good one. But please lets not start to pile on bs to relativize something. This feels awfully like a victum complex - are you guys hellbent in making other fan bases laugh? Of course it is "shit happens" if you are still successful. If you are on an upward trend. It is fine when shit happens 1 in 5 times, or at least if it happens in non-critical area like a backup LB or something - but the midfield? For us? After the last 3 years? Come on, lets at least admit it would be shit to waste a chance to improve this area of the squad in a notable way. Not all criticism is instantly a toxic one.How about the following examples?
- Chelsea losing out on Koundé to Barcelona despite having all of the paperworks ready
- Us beating Arsenal to Lisandro Martinez despite Arsenal getting a head start
- Us beating Lyon to Malacia despite Lyon having all of the paperworks ready
I'll throw in the towel when United say it's not happening, or sources we can trust say it's night on impossible to happen.
If it's sources like Sport, then no, i won't listen to them. Hell, Sport could tweet the sky is blue and water is wet and i'd have to go check myself to see if they weren't bullshitting me
Hold the line
Annoyingly, they've potentially got a more ideal, younger replacement who will suit them better in the short and long term.
Food for thought. If we miss out on de Jong, it won't be the end of the world. We've missed out on so many class players in our time.
1995, when we sold Ince, Hughes and Kanchelskis, my God everyone was convinced we were gonna be shite.
We’ve made a couple of lovely additions, we have Varane, we have Sancho. With a good coach we’ll look a million miles a different side from last season.
Do we need a backup deal? If Ten Hag thinks that we have other priorities this season in the event Frenkie falls through and is happy enough with our midfield options, then that's fine too.
Remember - we have Fred, Bruno, Eriksen, Donny, McTominay and Garner in the squad right now (and Martinez who can play DM). If Frenkie comes, we pretty much have to get rid of Donny and loan out Garner. The front 3 we only have 4 players that are usable - and one of them is 37 and wants out. Frenkie is a dream option, but there are bigger needs then midfield if he falls through, that's a fact. He's not judged on fan opinion with transfers, and if he deems it to be ok to pass on another option if Frenkie falls through, then literally nobody else's opinion matters.
I'm guessing you're referring to Madrid chasing Mbappé/Haaland, right? Yeah, they're another very good example, and in their case, they are choosing to continue with Benzema as their #1 striker whilst looking for an old, experienced backup option.
1995 surely?
They were there for the 92/94 double?
But yes, I can only imagine what it would have been like then with 24 hour TV and social media!
I have a very good feeling that Zidane Iqbal is going to be that player ETH develops into the Frenkie role.
I hit the wrong button, 1995.
imagine a redcafe and twitter then, watching those 3 massive names leave and us bringing in City’s reserve keeper as our main signing of the Summer
Yeah that's my stance too, however will admit the constant negative reports about this wobble me
I think the issue is, fans today haven't got the patience to watch a player develop. They want instant success and would rather buy in a "proven" talent than develop our own.
Then get ready for another mediocre season where we get dominated in midfield to even Burnley
As mentioned, imagine these lot in 1995 when SAF let Ince and Kanchelskis leave, only to tell them he had a couple of youth lads he was thinking of playing there
The sky would’ve been falling
Not just that, there's zero patience in football in general. Clubs show a bit of sensible planning, but fans lose their shit at the first hurdle or bad result. Just look through the match thread after drawing with Villa. In biblical rain. In preseason.
Can really recommend people follow a lower league shit team for a few years, that really gives some perspective
I think the Spanish reports are designed to do just that, to make United a meme, and to pile the pressure onto the player not to swap the great Barcelona for that shithole club.
I hit the wrong button, 1995.
imagine a redcafe and twitter then, watching those 3 massive names leave and us bringing in City’s reserve keeper as our main signing of the Summer
Yep, but not just the Summer. I think even those of us old enough to have watched the games probably have very rose tinted spectacles about the performance of the Class of 92. They would probably get merciless grief of a section of the fan base for average performances. And imagine the reactions after the 3-1 against Villa!
You need to learn about this new innovation called coaching oh and I don't want to spoil anything but Burnley got relegated at the end of the last season in case you haven't seen it yet.
I was excited about Becks after Villa in fairness, terrified about Butt & Scholes.
I've got to the point where I have no idea what happens with this player, but I'm sure we'll manage if it doesn't happen.
However, Barca have behaved like utter gobshites with their conduct in the transfer market and their attitude to existing players.
Seeing them go the way of Leeds would serve them right.
However, Barca have behaved like utter gobshites with their conduct in the transfer market and their attitude to existing players.
Seeing them go the way of Leeds would serve them right.
Me too, exciting stuff!
CIty won the league and Madrid league + CL.
This guy really loves Barca… he’d rather play there at CB and lower wages than be the star man on millions/week for us. Jordi must be very proud. Good luck to him and us.
As mentioned, imagine these lot in 1995 when SAF let Ince and Kanchelskis leave, only to tell them he had a couple of youth lads he was thinking of playing there
The sky would’ve been falling
The only difference to then is I feel this current team lacks the leadership and characters which helped those youth players flourish
Good examples.
- Arsenal and Lyon found replacements to those targets in like a week. Not like they spend much time chasing them anyway.
- The only reason Chelsea haven't done the same it's because Barca may still not be able to afford him. If not, they're definitely not waiting until Oct 1.
Fair enough if you don't see it like that.
Nah, it's fine. They are football clubs that transfer football players so it's absolutely the same situation. Let's not overthink it.
I am still confident on Frenkie coming but the most important transfer for the long term future of this club is Ten Hag. So I am relaxed whatever happens, even if it is rocky for a bit.
If we ever form a breakaway forum called ‘Reasonablecafe’ I nominate you to be king.
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