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Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Of any of those clubs or Chelsea came in actual offers, instead of us, I reckon he'd have been gone a long time ago and would be enjoying pre season with his new club. I don't believe that his wages are as big an issue as they look, think it's a case of him just not wanting to join us.
It is. He will not achieve half of what everyone is still earmarking him for. Let's be honest, he is 25, not 21. He has spent three seasons at Barca and achieved.......very little. If he has another couple of seasons not winning anything, he'll be in his late twenties.....
So you aren’t going to sign a player for United unless we are their first choice?
Literally 30 mins agoAlso pretty much every report for the last month and a half has emphasised that he doesn't want to leave Barcelona, but don't let that bother you. Continue to dream by all means
Just out of curiosity, do you ever walk into the bookies and shout at the punters to tell them they ain’t gonna win and then pop next door to the restaurant and tell everyone they will get fat eating that?
My next door neighbour as it goes
(small chance that's a different David Kent to the one in the tweet though)
There's unreal delusion on show in this thread. The writing has been on the wall for a long time.
Now it's time to start asking what the plan actually is because the weakest and possibly most important part of the team is going to be neglected once again. I wouldn't have minded if we have some of our youngsters a shot but it looks like they're all being loaned out.
Yeah, have to say this has been a pretty atrocious window so far given the state the squad is in, coming off the back of last season, and providing our new manager with the necessary tools. All this during the big culture shift away from Woodward/Glazers past, it looks horribly familiar.
Right now we have got Eriksen in on a free, Martinez at a price higher than initially quoted and a backup LB. All in a summer where we have lost all our experienced CMs and potentially our only out-and-out striker.
If there's not a huge end to this window, it's hard to see how ETH catches any of the teams who finished above us with what he has.
There's unreal delusion on show in this thread. The writing has been on the wall for a long time.
Now it's time to start asking what the plan actually is because the weakest and possibly most important part of the team is going to be neglected once again. I wouldn't have minded if we have some of our youngsters a shot but it looks like they're all being loaned out.
It isn't this first time this has happened though. We've chased Griezmann, Dybala, Sancho etc. for large parts of a transfer window in the recent past, only for it to end up stalling and not getting anywhere. This isn't some isolated incident. Not getting Frenkie is annoying but what will be worse is if we've wasted all this time only for us to have no backup options.
For the record, I'm of the opinion that he has very little interest in joining us but I still wouldn't be surprised if it does end up happening. Only because Barca are desperate for him to go and we will be desperate to make it happen as it will look terrible from a PR perspective if we spent months chasing a player who we couldn't convince to join.
If Raiola made 27m from Pogba, you can be sure he made more on Haaland, hence why the Dortmund deal with a low release was set up that way.
Haaland and his Dad brought in Raiola to ensure they also got similar pieces of that pie.
Agent fee, Dad fee and signing fee will have been through the roof.
Well no, apparently people are convinced now that ETH is going after de Jong regardless. Not sure how people can come to that conclusion, as we moved on from Timber and Brobbey quickly after finding out they didn't want to come.
This one is still very much in the bag.
probably worth him being patient re his preferred position, isn’t Busquets off to MLS next year. His position to lose then surely
Dembele and Raphinha don't get in over Sancho and if Rashford is back to pre last season form, don't get in over him. IMO. Araujo is debatable too, though I don't watch enough. Our midfield is admittedly shite, though Bruno would start for them as their most advanced midfielder I've got little doubt there. And as shite as our fullbacks are, they are still better than Barca's non existent current fullbacks for me.
Most importantly though, you get the coach. Xavi is a nobody as a coach and nothing to suggest he is anything special. Ten Hag has plenty backing up that he is in fact a special coach.
Early reports on this were that, first Frenkie wasn't interested, then that he might be intrigued after conversation with ETH. Then there were reports that ETH believed he could be convinced. I think some posters forget this as they speak as though he's been desperate to join, when that's not the case.
And for all we know he could have told ETH at any time in the last weeks/month that he's not interested and we've moved on. We won't officially announce it like some think, for obvious reasons. Either we'll just hear nothing and the window will close or we'll spend the money on another player.
How many times does he need to tell us to feck off.
All this 'we wouldn't chase him for 2 months...' business.....erm yes we would we're fecking useless. Took us months to sign a free signing in Eriksen we are clueless.
This has been my problem with it from the start, we clearly don't and ETH essentially said as much. FDJ can't be shoved out the door if he decides to just take the massive amount of money he's owed regardless of how much Barca want to sell him because he has a legal contract for another 4 years. FDJ is a brilliant player but if he wasn't interested in coming, which he never seemed to be and certainly by now it should be very obvious he has no interest in joining, we should have other options. ETH doesn't seem to want to use our scout network and also doesn't appear to know any other players himself that can play FDJ's role. Leaves us screwed basically.
You’re contradicting yourself here; he’s a system player, yet is not being catered for… how can that realise his potential?
Barcelona bought badly if they had no intention of optimising him and instead forcing him into their highly stylised box.
It’s a common mistake clubs make and it’s bizarre when any of them do it - not just Barca - as you’re buying a talent and then deviating from his strengths, which is pointless.
You buy a system player, you cater to him; you buy an eclectic player, you can drop into whatever system you have, but even that generally has its limits.
Only fair then to ban those who believe if the transfer doesn't happen then yeah? Good
He'll stall as long as he can and he'll stay, they'll cut the salaries of other players, La liga will close their eyes, they'll be magically under the salary cap, somehow, we'd have wasted 3 months chasing a player that had absolutely no intention of coming here and Berbaclass will cry.
Sorry for spoiling the ending.
Sorry for spoiling the ending.
Without question, but whose bag?
Sure is such a strong word, but he seemed to be basing it mostly on press coverage.
Yep, still in the bag. With a bunch of cats being lobbed into a river, but I’m still remaining hopeful.
Dembélé and Sancho would be the pairing the others have no chance at all.
United.
If this would be real, his agent would have shared that information with the board and ETH. Not with a random sports reporter. This all looks like FDJ is salty and wants his owned wages, bonus, etc, which is fair and square.
This is so off it’s on
Not sure if Barcelona can afford to buy a bag, tbh.
Yep, think this one is over guys.
We can chase a player for months with zero indication from the player or his party that he wants to join. It was the same when we were linked with Fabregas and Sneijder.
We can chase a player for months with zero indication from the player or his party that he wants to join. It was the same when we were linked with Fabregas and Sneijder.
What's the point putting Chelsea rumours in title if you admit the source is shit?
In fairness would you want to move from Spain to Manchester? I love Manchester but I would emigrate in a heart beat
Note how the author's opinion that "De Jong is likely to share Cristiano Ronaldo's view on playing in the Europa League this season" has turned into " Frenkie does not want to play in the Europa League" being reported all over now.
You shall give them the bag and be grateful you had the chance to do so.
For the same reason the shit sources do it; clicks.
Really simple, if he needs an entire system of ten other players to get something out of him, he's not every that great a player.
Literally 30 mins ago
- No, he doesn't want to leave Barcelona. Beckham didn't want to leave United, Sanchez didn't want to leave Barca, Fabregas didn't want to leave Barca, Di Maria didn't want to leave Madrid, etc. It happens. At the end of the day, if they are no longer key, they will leave to be key players elsewhere.
- Him not wanting to leave Barca doesn't mean that he doesn't want to join United. Very big distinction. If he has to leave Barca, then all signs (i.e, all actual reputable people on this issue) point to him in fact being open to joining United and Ten Hag.
- The only relevant people to listen to on this are Whitwell/Mitten/Ornstein for the United slant on things, and then Romero for the Barcelona slant on things. Nobody else knows anything new, they're all extrapolating or rephrasing in their own way or speculating. Fabrizio might get some agent info on the case, but that's it. No reporter would release some information as just drip fed and hidden in a random article, it would be a headline of "REPORT - FRENKIE REJECTS UNITED" and all the others repeating that. So let's stop reading too much into how one random side reporter on the case phrases the issue on the day to get clicks, as that's all it is.
@Judas was driving the Sancho train two years ago. It went off of the rails a bit at the end of Summer 2020 but as soon as the window of 21 opened the man was firing on all cylinders again.
I don't think there's much to report yet. Wasn't it Tuchel that thought he'd signed him at PSG before Barca came in? Given the age of some of your midfielders, I could definitely see you getting interested. Along with PSG and Bayern. Nobody will step into this shit show though until the is a clear indication that he'll leave.
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