No because they said they had to balance the books and one big player had to go, which is why they were forcing the Frenkie sell.
Frenkie De Jong | Performances
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No because they said they had to balance the books and one big player had to go, which is why they were forcing the Frenkie sell.
Would still prefer him to Bellingham
The way he lost the ball in the last minutes of the game and allowed one-on-one (or even two/three-on-one) for Inter was quite criminal, if Barca got fecked by this he'd face a lot more criticism for last night
They told him in no uncertain terms how it would be if he rejected a move and didn't take a paycut, he did both those things and they're just keeping their word...
In fairness to him they said they'd pay him an amount of deferred wages and then spent months trying to get out of it. It's not like you can take their words at face value.
They told him in no uncertain terms how it would be if he rejected a move and didn't take a paycut, he did both those things and they're just keeping their word...
Agreed. It's like he saw them row back on Dembele and just decided that would happen for him.
The world of footballers and their advisers is an odd one. So many people telling their clients that they will get exactly what they want, so they can stay on the payroll. Maybe someone in his camp should have spelled it out to Frenkie in the summer?
It's not like they didn't warn him
I'd find it funnier if we actually had the money to buy him. Which we don't currently (without incurring further debt).
What an idiot.
But hey, it's sunny on Barcelona at least.
But hey, it's sunny on Barcelona at least.
Is 30 end of career now
I have no idea why I had it in my head that he was closer to 33-34 range
Point still stands that he's the only player we have for that role and not a spring chicken, but yeah definitely not end of career.
Did you see that 45 mins against Sociedad when Eriksen didn't play? And he isn't even really a midfielder. There is no more pressing concern then getting a top quality midfielder in this club.
And Eriksen, as amazing of a signing he's been, has looked tired recently.I have no idea why I had it in my head that he was closer to 33-34 range
Point still stands that he's the only player we have for that role and not a spring chicken, but yeah definitely not end of career.
I agree a top quality mid is a must, but right now with Martial being constantly injured I think a centre forward is our most pressing concern.
They told him in no uncertain terms how it would be if he rejected a move and didn't take a paycut, he did both those things and they're just keeping their word...
Ah ha ha
But we actually do have Eriksen. True, he can't play every single minute this season but surely we're not going to bring in De Jong to serve as Eriksen's cover. If we bring in De Jong then Eriksen goes to the bench, which would certainly strengthen the squad but Eriksen has been outstanding for us and in no way can be thought of our the first player who needs to be upgraded on.
We do have a central midfielder, a central defensive midfielder, in Casemiro. So far, I'm impressed with Casemiro. Time will tell, but I'm pretty confident he'll be outstanding for us.
I'd love to bring in De Jong, but at the price it would take to bring him --- assuming he's even willing to come to Old Trafford, an assumption for which there is no basis -- probably 75m in transfer fee and probably 400k/week in wages -- bringing him in would be too expensive for the club. It may well be the case by April that Eriksen has fallen apart in which case we'll want to seek a high profile acquisition like De Jong. But we may be in need of depth, not top class, to strengthen our midfield. Right now our depth beyond Bruno/Eriksen/Casemiro consists of Fred, McTominay, Van De Beek and Hannibal. (I haven't seen enough of Savage or Iqbal to form any kind of opinion on their prospects.)
If we're thinking, based on what we believe now, what we need going into the next season it's clear we need a striker. Ronaldo gets a horribly bad rap on this forum for being washed up but even I agree that this is going to be his last season at Old Trafford. Martial shows glimpses of promise but his record at Old Trafford -- now in his EIGHTH season I believe -- doesn't fill me confidence that Martial is the answer at striker over the long time. Maybe he is, but if Ronaldo leaves next summer our only striker is Martial and that's not acceptable.
They told him in no uncertain terms how it would be if he rejected a move and didn't take a paycut, he did both those things and they're just keeping their word...
He wouldn't be starting more even if he took a paycut and by staying there he's getting the money he's owed for previous seasons despite all the bullshit threats Barca were throwing at him.
Don't forget we signed Eriksen early and still chased De Jong the rest of the summer, the intent was to always sign both. Personally I think it's Bruno who has to worry if a player like De Jong is brought in, because for me Eriksen should remain one of the first names on the team sheet. (always keeping in mind his health and resting when he needs it).
And I was happy with the Casemiro signing and we are starting to reap the benefits, but we need a creative midfielder to drive the team forward. Casemiro, De Jong and Eriksen in midfield, it's a mouthwatering prospect.
Dembele took a pay-cut
No he didn’t.
He was an out of contract player who accepted the best offer available to someone who has been so injury prone.
Ok so banter aside could we genuinely go for him again this transfer window?
Surely barcelona's finances could use alleviation by then seeing how they're practically in europa now.
Surely barcelona's finances could use alleviation by then seeing how they're practically in europa now.
After the summer we probably can't afford him and there is still an issue of his wages from previous seasons. There is no indication that Barca is suddenly going to act reasonable about them.
But they have too don't they, according to every piece of reporting that I've read so far they took a gamble and counted on at least getting to cl quarter finals and that money isn't there anymore, unless they pull out another lever out their ass.
He's one of their more sellable assets.
Things are happening alright. In Gerard Romero's blue and red striped pea brain
Selling him makes a ton of sense for them especially since he loses value quite quickly sitting at the bench at a struggling club. But evidently Laporta disagrees and I'm not sure if we have any indication that CL money will change his mind or force him to reevaluate anything.
Talk about shooting themselves in the foot...
Don't start him, probably fail to qualify next stage of CL, if he does go will probably be cut price.
Don't start him, probably fail to qualify next stage of CL, if he does go will probably be cut price.
On a lower salary.
It was the best salary any club offered him, because he was injury prone as feck.
His other option was even less salary or the fecking dole
Nothing about it was a paycut. Wherever he signed, be it Chelsea, Juve or Barca, his injury record ensured he was always going to get a lower salary than his previous contract.
Nice attempt at spinning it mind.
That ship has sailed. We've spent the money on Casemiro, and spent a fortune on Antony, and it's obvious that we're desperate for a striker. Unless he comes really cheap I don't think we'll have the money to fund this in the winter or next summer, even if ETH still wants him.
He made a huge mistake staying at a club that didn't want him. It's a bit weird that he's surprised he isn't starting while spending all summer being pushed by Barca to leave.
He made a huge mistake staying at a club that didn't want him. It's a bit weird that he's surprised he isn't starting while spending all summer being pushed by Barca to leave.
You know what offers he got?It was the best salary any club offered him, because he was injury prone as feck.
His other option was even less salary or the fecking dole
Nothing about it was a paycut. Wherever he signed, be it Chelsea, Juve or Barca, his injury record ensured he was always going to get a lower salary than his previous contract.
Nice attempt at spinning it mind.
Pretty sure lot of people said that FDJ is not enough to solve the midfield issue. So regardless, we still need another midfielder after we signed Casemiro.
I personally don't think the ship has sailed pretty sure we try for him again
Even if it has we still need another CM. We're absolute gobshite without Eriksen and his back ups are gobshite too. That's without mentioning Fred and VDB need to be sold so regardless of whatever a new CM is just as big a priority as a ST doesn't have to be one or the other
Widely reported.
I also know he was injured for 80% of his original Barcelona contract, so it’s an absolute no-brainer that no-one would offer him anything remotely close to his original contract when he was signed for 120m or whatever it was.
It’s just pure daft spin to claim he took a pay cut. The lad was out of contract, a situation that arose because he was being paid too much for a guy permanently on the treatment table. The only reason he got any contract offer at all was that he finally managed a few months injury free before his contract expired.
I cannot claim I know what offers he got. I strongly believe neither can you, nor the media.
And I'm not questioning Barcelona's rationale for offering him lower wages. But it's a fact he is on lower wages, right?
And I quoted another posted, saying that Frenkie may be following Dembele's footsteps by wanting to stay and not wake a wage cut. But the fact is that Dembele took a wage cut to stay.
They told him in no uncertain terms how it would be if he rejected a move and didn't take a paycut, he did both those things and they're just keeping their word...
If he didn’t expect things to pan out this way then he’s an even bigger idiot than I thought.
Looking at the squad, we need 4 players. CF to replace Ronaldo/Martial, CDM to spell Eriksen, RB to spell/challenge Dalot and GK to replace De gea.
Bringing in FDJ would be great because rotating him with Eriksen, and Eriksen with Bruno gives us genuine quality and depth in those two areas. Also, I still believe he'll be at improvement on Eriksen in that role due to the ball carrying dimension he brings.
Issue is, it is hard to argue that is higher priority than the other three positions.
We literally haven't got anybody to replace Dalot with. If he gets injured, we're fecked.
De Gea, has improved a bit but he still hampers our play from the back, especially against strong pressing oppositions, forcing us to automatically concede possession.
Then you have the Striker problem. Martial is the only player that truly fits the mould and he can't stay fit enough to play a full game. And Ronaldo is gone next summer.
Funny how we've had such a great window with so many players coming straight into the starting lineup yet still so many needs.
Bringing in FDJ would be great because rotating him with Eriksen, and Eriksen with Bruno gives us genuine quality and depth in those two areas. Also, I still believe he'll be at improvement on Eriksen in that role due to the ball carrying dimension he brings.
Issue is, it is hard to argue that is higher priority than the other three positions.
We literally haven't got anybody to replace Dalot with. If he gets injured, we're fecked.
De Gea, has improved a bit but he still hampers our play from the back, especially against strong pressing oppositions, forcing us to automatically concede possession.
Then you have the Striker problem. Martial is the only player that truly fits the mould and he can't stay fit enough to play a full game. And Ronaldo is gone next summer.
Funny how we've had such a great window with so many players coming straight into the starting lineup yet still so many needs
.It was the best salary any club offered him, because he was injury prone as feck.
His other option was even less salary or the fecking dole
Nothing about it was a paycut. Wherever he signed, be it Chelsea, Juve or Barca, his injury record ensured he was always going to get a lower salary than his previous contract.
Nice attempt at spinning it mind.
Let's not forget that Barca also only trusted him with a two-year contract.
I mean all 4 are important, but I personally think you can. At the moment, the only way we can compete with the tier 1 sides in the PL/Europe is when we play on the counter and give the onus of controlling possession to the opposition. That’s mostly due to the lack of midfield balance we have — we massively lack a central midfielder who excels in the middle phase of a field.
I think the reason we struggle against those sides is that we go long from GK instead of playing out and we haven't played with a CF that's been able to retain possession and bring others into play in those game. I feel Eriksen does a decent enough job in possession in deeper areas, as does Casemiro.
Oh god, the Gerard Romero tweets coming out again. I'm getting PTSD.