Would improve us and would love him to come, however, I feel he has set a miserable tone for the future should he ever want to come.
Frenkie De Jong | Performances
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Not only would it work, it would be ideal along with Eriksen.
Where Casemiro plays as a #6 behind those 2 who play #8.
Frenkie is not an 8 in the traditional sense, neither is Eriksen. We are playing with two sixes, one is allowed to drop deep to collect the ball and get forward as well.
Frankie has never been a #6, that's Busquets role, every time FdJ has played in that role, he as struggled. His best position is as a CM in front of a #6.
Agree that Eriksen is not a #8, but he'll do a better job in a 433 than Bruno ever will.
Amigos, I’ve lost track of Frenkie over the last month and to be honest I’m kind of done with him.
Question for the caf: if we had the chance to bring in either De Jong or Bellingham, would it not be a no-brainer that we go all in for Bellingham?
Question for the caf: if we had the chance to bring in either De Jong or Bellingham, would it not be a no-brainer that we go all in for Bellingham?
Dunno, Bellingham would be twice the price and our hit record with Bundesliga players is shaky at best.
Hard to say Bellingham though a different profile of player is worth keeping an eye on price and availability is another question.
One player who I think will come good with time is Kone from the Bundesliga. I've seen him play on the odd occasion looks like the next emerging young midfielder to make an impact.
Very different players. If we aren’t going for De Jong, we still need to go for someone of a similar profile. Caqueret for example (though haven’t caught any of him this season, so no idea now he’s been doing).
Feels like this runs counter to both what Ajax and Barca followers have said: At Ajax he was at his best the more central and deepest of two 6-es/CM’s (with Schöne), with freedom to progress and roam, but not in front of a CM.
At Barca he’s mostly played as an 8 in front of a 6/DM in Busquets, with very limited success. Seems he cannot be a DM, nor is he suited to olay ahead of a DM. I assume for Ten Hag, he would play like Eriksen does now, as one of two CM’s with different tasks when it comes to advance play.
De Jong over Bellingham for me. De Jong is a unicorn. Bellingham is also quality, and in some sort of universe where money was no option - Casemiro, De Jong and Bellingham would be a great trio.
Yup, think the best way to describe De Jong would be some sort of 6/8 hybrid. He’s amazing at the possession aspect of a 6, and can carry / pass the ball forward really well, but he’s basically 0 at the defensive aspects and needs a proper DM alongside him.
I would love De Jong but he seems hellbent on staying at Barca, so Bellingham I guess.
Not every time, but it goes against his nature to be an anchor man of sorts. I think in general he's best next to either a 6 or an 8 instead of being in front or behind of either. In such a setup he has more of his roaming space, while he and the 6/8 cover each other's spaces when one moves forward (or backwards to pick up the ball).
The problem at Barça, which I didn't expect initially with his skillset, is that they want to either mold him into an Iniesta or a Busquets. With Pedri around the former isn't necessary anymore, but he's still the Busquets replacement and that won't work. A midfield three with Pedri and Kessie/Gavi could do him wonders in the long run, but if they wanna stick to a 4-1-2-3 type midfield as their general setup, I think it will continue to be best for Frenkie to move to a side that's close to a 4-4-2/4-2-3-1/3-4-3's midfield setup in any way with either a box to box, ball-playing (read: more passing based) playmaker, or destroyer next to him.
He could still grow and he has the occasional gem of a game, but you can see him struggling against his nature when he has to be an Iniesta or Busquets rather than a Frenkie.
To be honest, you're better of placing him at CB in such a setup if you have the fullbacks or midfielders to cover his progressions.
Not true at all.
He does need someone next to him but he isnt 0 at the defensive aspects. He has been playing as a (ball playing) centreback for Ajax and Barcelona at times. Its not like he cant defend at all.
Not sure we’ll ever get de Jong. What are the chances of Pellegrini at Roma?
Agreed. The ship has sailed on Frenkie, or perhaps it's more accurate to state that the ship never left port, and we need to move on. Bellingham may fall in love with the idea of Real Madrid, but if there's a chance of bringing him in we have to seize that chance.
I'm a big big fan of them dropping klarna payments on a massive transfer window only for this to happen. Fingers crossed.Didn't start again tonight. Lovin' his CL nights.
Not really a problem when we have Casemiro. Casemiro, De Jong and Eriksen or Bruno, would be an amazing midfield. To rival the best of them. That said, I think that ship has sailed. He showed no desire to leave, and good for him. He knew what he wanted. Can’t say I’m sorry to see him stuck on the bench though. He could’ve come here and had the team built around him.
Can stay there for the rest of the season for all I care, pandering to his Barca-life loving GF, whilst he rots away on the bench. Last thing we need at the club is another prima donna.Didn't start again tonight. Lovin' his CL nights.
I think he’s under the impression he’s taking over for Busquets next season which probably was a huge factor in staying.
Good for him. We moved on for good and we really dont need player with a poor attitude or not wanting to join United
I see everyone has decided to forget the matter of the £17m then?
Said in the Mbappé thread yesterday, it really doesn’t take much at all for onlookers with very little info to slap a ‘poor attitude’ tag on a player these days.
Said in the Mbappé thread yesterday, it really doesn’t take much at all for onlookers with very little info to slap a ‘poor attitude’ tag on a player these days.
He'd probably be very disappointed then because he isn't a like for like replacement at all. I could see Barca trying to entice Rodri next summer while FdJ continues to be a bit part player.
Welcome to the Europa League, Frenkie de Jong!
He's getting his deferred salary now, so that £17m he's owed will be creeping down, week by week.
Europa awaits!
Why would you jinx it
Ban. Straight ban.
Just trying to look out for our boy frenkie!Why would you jinx it
It appears it was a failure
Ban. Straight ban.
He ain't all that is he? Talented no doubt but if he had signed there is a decent chance he would have been as difficult to incorporate as Pogba.
Just trying to look out for our boy frenkie!
It appears it was a failure
I jinxed it too just now
This game showed he should be a starter.
He'll get his chances in europa
It's shocking he's given up key years of his career to play second fiddle to an ageing Busquets though, feel it was a poor move to go to Barca. Look at tonight too, wasting away on the bench when he could be the best midfielder in the league in the PL for a team that trusted him.
No idea how is not a starter, the guy is quality.
I think January is our best chance to get him as by the end of the season he will have displaced Gavi or Biscuits.