They will be both shit here and world class at City, unless we sort ourselves out.
Frenkie de Jong| Off to Barca - Confirmed
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They will be both shit here and world class at City, unless we sort ourselves out.
I'm probably the only sane and rational Dutchman left in the Netherlands. They are already calling him the new Johan Cruyff.
Madness!
Madness!
I think this is fair enough based on those two matches alone. I felt against germany he was poor, an against France he played a more conservative game than he usually does. They all know about him (Müller said before the first germany match that Frenkie "never passes backwards"), and they know how central he already is to the rest of the team being able to play better football, so they focus a lot of their energy on nullifying him, and while he managed that against France, it still took a more constrained version of his game.
Also keep in mind that he was struggling with a minor injury in the week right before this one.
That happened in the second half vs Benfica. The video of his first half performance in that match actually shows him playing with a bit more of his usual freedom:
You dont buy De Jong to sit back and do simple passes. De Jong is not a Busquets, Fernandinho or Carrick player. De Jong is a more Iniesta player with not as good finish and end product like Iniesta. But to find a cm player that can pass players easily and so good with the ball, there are not many out there. Then its more the wingers and strikers job to score, most of the goals. You buy De Jong to do a support role to the attacking players, like De Bruyne. But still able to score, just not as often as the attacking players.
In a 4-3-3 formation. He would play on the left or right side of the dcm player. Like this.
De Jong - Witsel/Matic - De Jong
In a 4-4-2 formation. De Jong is not the nr.6. If he does so, its just a waste of his talent, to sit back and do simple passes. He can more than that. De Jong perfect cm partnership in a 4-4-2 formation is Witsel. Witsel with his age is more composure and calmer than on this younger age. And with the young guts and energy of De Jong, he should let them flowing out, free it and play on his max. Not playing on a slower tempo as a deep laying cm doing simple passes. He should max and rise his intensity, then his dribbling will be more determination and more effective.
Sancho - Witsel nr.6 - De Jong/Pogba nr.8 - Martial.
A dream 5 men midfield to compete City 5 is.
Sancho - De Jong - Witsel - Pogba - Martial.
Those 5 are quick ball players. And all of those 5 they have high confidence and they all know they are really good with the ball. If you manage to collect and let them play together. I promise you will one of the best United football since Sir Alex time. Those 5 together. They will dominate and play really good attacking football.
Sancho - RW/Winger from Dortmund
Witsel - A nr.6, a dictate cm player for Dortmund.
De Jong - A Iniesta/De Bruyne cm player. LCM/RCM player in a 3 men midfield or a nr.8. In crisis he can play as a nr.6. You always set De Jong up to attack and help the attack, it mean he will be really close to the opponent box. Then always ready to shot outside of the box.
Sum that is how i observed and how i would use De Jong to get the best out of him and to gain the best for the team too. Coz as a LCM/RCM you get to have the ability to pass players easily, from your box to opponent box. You can pass the players easily with the ball. That is what De Jong is best on. That was what he teammates Winaldum said about him. And then is what De Bruyne good about, beside to shoot and have good passes.
And depend on the role his playing for Netherland. It can affect and you dont see his max pontential with the ball. A RCM/LCM are meant to be more a attacking role than a nr.6 or dcm role. So that is my observing and description of De Jong as a football player right now. And United and Mourinho is playing Pogba as a LCM beside Matic right now. If you buy De Jong then he will play on the right side of Matic where United have Fred and Herrera there. So that is how the whole in and out situation. If De Jong is coming, someone has to leave.
In a 4-3-3 formation. He would play on the left or right side of the dcm player. Like this.
De Jong - Witsel/Matic - De Jong
In a 4-4-2 formation. De Jong is not the nr.6. If he does so, its just a waste of his talent, to sit back and do simple passes. He can more than that. De Jong perfect cm partnership in a 4-4-2 formation is Witsel. Witsel with his age is more composure and calmer than on this younger age. And with the young guts and energy of De Jong, he should let them flowing out, free it and play on his max. Not playing on a slower tempo as a deep laying cm doing simple passes. He should max and rise his intensity, then his dribbling will be more determination and more effective.
Sancho - Witsel nr.6 - De Jong/Pogba nr.8 - Martial.
A dream 5 men midfield to compete City 5 is.
Sancho - De Jong - Witsel - Pogba - Martial.
Those 5 are quick ball players. And all of those 5 they have high confidence and they all know they are really good with the ball. If you manage to collect and let them play together. I promise you will one of the best United football since Sir Alex time. Those 5 together. They will dominate and play really good attacking football.
Sancho - RW/Winger from Dortmund
Witsel - A nr.6, a dictate cm player for Dortmund.
De Jong - A Iniesta/De Bruyne cm player. LCM/RCM player in a 3 men midfield or a nr.8. In crisis he can play as a nr.6. You always set De Jong up to attack and help the attack, it mean he will be really close to the opponent box. Then always ready to shot outside of the box.
Sum that is how i observed and how i would use De Jong to get the best out of him and to gain the best for the team too. Coz as a LCM/RCM you get to have the ability to pass players easily, from your box to opponent box. You can pass the players easily with the ball. That is what De Jong is best on. That was what he teammates Winaldum said about him. And then is what De Bruyne good about, beside to shoot and have good passes.
And depend on the role his playing for Netherland. It can affect and you dont see his max pontential with the ball. A RCM/LCM are meant to be more a attacking role than a nr.6 or dcm role. So that is my observing and description of De Jong as a football player right now. And United and Mourinho is playing Pogba as a LCM beside Matic right now. If you buy De Jong then he will play on the right side of Matic where United have Fred and Herrera there. So that is how the whole in and out situation. If De Jong is coming, someone has to leave.
Ajax are trolling again...
Frenkie is not at all an Iniesta or De Bruyne. You don't want him in the final third. In fact, I'd say his final ball is one of the main things lacking
In every old interview I've seen from Frenkie it seems obvious Barcelona is his dream club. I think he is a big fan of them. If they want him they will get him. Also his girlfriend seems to really enjoy the idea of Frenkie moving to Barcelona.
He should join his National Team captain and Dutch teamate, complete said team's midfield. Work under one of the best coaches in improving young players, then move on to Barca in due time.
Excellent. If not us (we never sign these kins of players so I'm past getting annoyed by it) then anyone but City will do. Go on and live your dream at Barca, kid.
It is an old interview mind and Pep's lure is worrisome.
I see De Jong as a Iniesta and De Bruyne role, because of the ability of passing players from defend trough midfield and to the attack. And i did said De Jong doesnt have the same end product as Iniesta and De Bruyne. But havent you seen that is really really difficult to take the ball from De Jong when he max up his speed with the ball and max his intensity with the ball?
And i said its more the wingers and strikers role to score and finish the job, more often than cm players. Cm players will score when its right. Its a striker job to score 20 goals + season. Wingers beetween 5-10 goals a la Mane and Martial is doing. Tottenham have Kane who is scoring 20 goals each season, City have Aguero and Sterling is close to 20 and Liverpool had Salah. Its the attacking job to score most amount of goals of the teams. CM players is to deliver the support to the attack and deliver trought and assist passes. I didnt said that De Jong end produc and finish is not as good as Iniesta and De Bruyne. So i dont know why you mentioned that. I do see De Jong finish ability. But if he is working on the finishing and improve his finish and be more determination and clinical when he is around the opponent box. Be more finish focus than passes focus around the box, then he will improve his finish.
But how many players out there not playing for top clubs in the Europe has the ability to pass opponent players around the middle of the park to the opponent box, easily?You are not taking the ball from De Jong so often. If he max up his speed, acceleration and the intensity with the ball. Lately, with the role, both for Netherlands and Ajax im seeing he has drop that max speed with the ball, running with the ball forward. By laying more deep and dictate the game and ball from there. If i manage him. He will definitive has a more a free attacking role, which might will sep up 2 against 1 when he has passes one players. If you want a Matic/Fernandinho type of player. You better either go for Witsel or Ruben Neves. I count De Jong more as attacking player than a defensive player. De Jong is best when he max it up the tempo, not slow it down. That is when the opponent players hate to meet you. Try to get the ball from you, but they cant. Again, its just a waste of football talent, to give De JOng a Matic and Fernandinho role in a 4-3-3. BUt if United playing 4-4-2. Then in a two central midfield partnership, he will be a more box to box cm player. With more defensive involving.
De Jong will gain the team best if he give a more free attacking role, sum up my whole observing. No matter which formation you will use. A Iniesta/De Bruyen role as a LCM or RCM or as a n.8 role beside a nr.6. Not as a CB or DCM in a 3 men midfield. You will see the best of De Jong if you give him that free attacking role. Dont let the boy think too much and long when has the ball, its about the most effience way to your opponent box, by dribbling or by passing combination. Max the speed up and let them run after you and the ball.
And i said its more the wingers and strikers role to score and finish the job, more often than cm players. Cm players will score when its right. Its a striker job to score 20 goals + season. Wingers beetween 5-10 goals a la Mane and Martial is doing. Tottenham have Kane who is scoring 20 goals each season, City have Aguero and Sterling is close to 20 and Liverpool had Salah. Its the attacking job to score most amount of goals of the teams. CM players is to deliver the support to the attack and deliver trought and assist passes. I didnt said that De Jong end produc and finish is not as good as Iniesta and De Bruyne. So i dont know why you mentioned that. I do see De Jong finish ability. But if he is working on the finishing and improve his finish and be more determination and clinical when he is around the opponent box. Be more finish focus than passes focus around the box, then he will improve his finish.
But how many players out there not playing for top clubs in the Europe has the ability to pass opponent players around the middle of the park to the opponent box, easily?You are not taking the ball from De Jong so often. If he max up his speed, acceleration and the intensity with the ball. Lately, with the role, both for Netherlands and Ajax im seeing he has drop that max speed with the ball, running with the ball forward. By laying more deep and dictate the game and ball from there. If i manage him. He will definitive has a more a free attacking role, which might will sep up 2 against 1 when he has passes one players. If you want a Matic/Fernandinho type of player. You better either go for Witsel or Ruben Neves. I count De Jong more as attacking player than a defensive player. De Jong is best when he max it up the tempo, not slow it down. That is when the opponent players hate to meet you. Try to get the ball from you, but they cant. Again, its just a waste of football talent, to give De JOng a Matic and Fernandinho role in a 4-3-3. BUt if United playing 4-4-2. Then in a two central midfield partnership, he will be a more box to box cm player. With more defensive involving.
De Jong will gain the team best if he give a more free attacking role, sum up my whole observing. No matter which formation you will use. A Iniesta/De Bruyen role as a LCM or RCM or as a n.8 role beside a nr.6. Not as a CB or DCM in a 3 men midfield. You will see the best of De Jong if you give him that free attacking role. Dont let the boy think too much and long when has the ball, its about the most effience way to your opponent box, by dribbling or by passing combination. Max the speed up and let them run after you and the ball.
This is the player I want the most. Matic doesn't have it anymore. He's young, athletic, active with massive skill. He can play multiple positions. He's also the type of player needed to support Pogba. If we decided to sell Pogba, you can build around DeJong in the mid-field. For me, we need to spend whatever it takes for a CB and then in the summer pay the buy out clause for Alderweireld. Add three players, Frenkie, Alderweireld, and a world class CB. I really wish they would give Dilot a run.
If De Jong will join Barca or whatever others teams than United. Plan B is to go for Saul from A.Madrid.
And this is how to line up Saul and with others same targets.
Saul - Witsel - Pobga
This 3 men midfield are really close to the the top level of football right now. All those 3 are playing regular for Spain, Belgium and France. And United shall aim to be as good as City or better, to others top clubs in Europe too.
And the attack they will support, hopefully.
Sancho - Rashford - Martial
So back to De Jong, if join elsewhere. Saul as RCM is a really quality and consistent rcm/cm options too. I think Saul has an ability to score really often too. And Saul is still young. He will definitive strenght United XI
Beside Witsel is a must to buy this summer. Either of De Jong or Saul will make United better as a football team. I have been following Saul over a long time and i rate him really high. He has a really good and determination finish and i think he has the mentality to work it out in Manchester and Old Trafford. A grounded player and person. Either of De Jong or Saul beside Witsel. Will rise up my expectation of a really good football at Old Trafford.
And this is how to line up Saul and with others same targets.
Saul - Witsel - Pobga
This 3 men midfield are really close to the the top level of football right now. All those 3 are playing regular for Spain, Belgium and France. And United shall aim to be as good as City or better, to others top clubs in Europe too.
And the attack they will support, hopefully.
Sancho - Rashford - Martial
So back to De Jong, if join elsewhere. Saul as RCM is a really quality and consistent rcm/cm options too. I think Saul has an ability to score really often too. And Saul is still young. He will definitive strenght United XI
Beside Witsel is a must to buy this summer. Either of De Jong or Saul will make United better as a football team. I have been following Saul over a long time and i rate him really high. He has a really good and determination finish and i think he has the mentality to work it out in Manchester and Old Trafford. A grounded player and person. Either of De Jong or Saul beside Witsel. Will rise up my expectation of a really good football at Old Trafford.
would be my dream signing here, complete midfielder, don't see him ever leaving there to be honest unless the club has a meltdown and end up relegated or something which aint looking likely, also every major club would be in for him.
Kylian Mbappé makes a play to bring Frenkie de Jong to PSG
Speaking in an interview with France Football following his obtention of the inaugural Trophée Kopa, designated to the best footballer under the age of 21 over the course of the 2018 calendar year, Kylian Mbappé appeared to make a play to bring Ajax defensive midfielder Frenkie de Jong to the club.
“He is a player who really impressed me during our two matches with the Netherlands. His vision and the quality of his passing that breaks the lines make him very valuable, especially because he also intercepts a considerable amount of balls. Honestly, he is very welcome in Paris! I said to him as much, because he would be enormous for us. After that, he will make his own choice…”
Speaking in an interview with France Football following his obtention of the inaugural Trophée Kopa, designated to the best footballer under the age of 21 over the course of the 2018 calendar year, Kylian Mbappé appeared to make a play to bring Ajax defensive midfielder Frenkie de Jong to the club.
“He is a player who really impressed me during our two matches with the Netherlands. His vision and the quality of his passing that breaks the lines make him very valuable, especially because he also intercepts a considerable amount of balls. Honestly, he is very welcome in Paris! I said to him as much, because he would be enormous for us. After that, he will make his own choice…”
A midfield including Verratti and De Jong would be unfair and pure sex
Do you its even better then Matic-Fellaini??
No midfield can be better than the iconic pair of course.
Think De Jong is abit smarter than French football.I think He'll end up at Barca.
Rabiot's contract expiring, I'm sure PSG would love De Jong as a replacement. Barcelona are rumoured to be in for Rabiot aswell, who might be the more attractive option for them as he'll be free. No clue where De Jong will end up, it won't be just about what he wants.
I think he'll end up at City or Bayern (who -i think- are drastically going to rejuvenate). Barca's priority is a central defender. They don't have the money for two major signings. So i guess they'll go for De Ligt.
Think he will have many more options than going to France.
He has. Personally I prefer him at Barca, then City. Possibly PSG is a good one among those options though, they will throw serious money at him and Ajax instead of trying to be cheap like Barca. Also it's a step, the French competition is stronger than the Dutch one, and he will play CL each year.
Not seen much of him, is he the real deal or this years fad like Weigl?
But will they pay him more?
The Qatari government is desperate for the big PR triumph a Champions League would represent for them and with Madrid entering a rough patch, the window has never been as open as it is now. UEFA has shown that FFP is an empty threat for the big clubs so PSG can just outmuscle Barsa or Bayern in the transfer market.
Without other outgoings, then this seems likely to be correct. But Barcelona is also likely to be selling. Dembele may get transferred, and that would solve their problems in one swoop. Even if they choose to keep Dembele, they might want to move on a midfielder (perhaps Rakitic) and/or defender (perhaps Pique or Umtiti) if they added the Ajax pair.
If Barcelona goes for them, I think both will go to Barca. In addition to the natural connection with the club for these particular players, we still have never seen a situation in which City successfully bought a player that was also seriously pursued by Barca or Real. Money only goes so far.
THe team that gets this guy will have a class player for many years. And i can put every penny on that it is not United. No huge football talent should og where Mourinho manage to be honest.
You're right. Both De Jong and De Ligt have said they would very much like to go to the same club, with Barca as their first choice.
To the people who keep talking about money. They won't go cheap, but i know for a fact that Ajax always keeps the players wishes in mind. Wages are not important to these guys.
It's not black & white like that. If Barca offers too little to either Ajax or the players as compared to other clubs, it will be more difficult. Barca knows these players prefer to sign with them, and also knows Ajax to some extend want them to get their dream transfer in time, so other prospects know that Ajax is a good stepping-stone. But Overmars isn't stupid and wants the right price. The player's agents will also not be stupid. Personally, if Barca wants them below market price, they must return Dembele to us on top of that.
How good is he defensively. As in, could you put him in your side as the carrier from defence to midfield?
Fenandinho type? or do you need somebody defensive by his side
Fenandinho type? or do you need somebody defensive by his side
It's not black & white like that. If Barca offers too little to either Ajax or the players as compared to other clubs, it will be more difficult. Barca knows these players prefer to sign with them, and also knows Ajax to some extend want them to get their dream transfer in time, so other prospects know that Ajax is a good stepping-stone. But Overmars isn't stupid and wants the right price. The player's agents will also not be stupid. Personally, if Barca wants them below market price, they must return Dembele to us on top of that.
Maybe you should have quoted 5 more words
Its a real shame the way that because of the way UTD have been mismanaged for the last few years we arent in the mix for transformative signings like these two.
Will be fun to see where him and De Ligt will end up. Seems both are on the radar of the same clubs. Dont think one club will buy them both
Too jong.
And maybe a bit too ligt ?
Today's hype: France Football names Frenkie as one among ten possible future Ballon d'Or winners.
https://www.francefootball.fr/news/...dix-candidats-pour-le-ballon-d-or-2025/965522
https://www.francefootball.fr/news/...dix-candidats-pour-le-ballon-d-or-2025/965522
Kovacic rejected us because of our brand of football. I’m guessing the kid will probably too if mourinho is still here.
Going to PSG apparently
So much for that
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