Frenkie de Jong| Off to Barca - Confirmed
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Elite development squad indeed I remember a 17 year old Fabregas being much more impressive than him.
I know he wouldn’t join us but I expect us to be at least interested.
We are really falling behind with this signings.
We are really falling behind with this signings.
Are we?
Just remember that we once signed the hottest midfield prospect in world football and never fulfilled his potential. Sometimes you actually need to evaluate long term value v purchase value. How many of these types of players have Barca bought only to find they dont quite cut the mustard? or how about Gotze at Bayern?
Just because a big club wacks a massive fee on a young player, doesnt mean they're instantly quality.
We are the richest club in the world and have been a disaster in the last 6 years and we desperately need a rebuild.
I sure expect us to be at least among the options when potentially world class youngsters are available. But instead the involved ones are Barca, City and PSG. Clubs that have been really succesfull the latest years, they keep improving and we keep falling behind.
It is an initial £65m fee if I read correctly. Transfer fees has escalated since the days of Stones, and de Jong is a midfielder unlike Stones, so I think it is fair to compare both transfers.
As I said before, if he performs decently to a certain acceptable level, then he'd be considered a successful signing. He is no Iniesta nor is he Xavi and he might never reach those players peak level, but that wouldn't make him a flop or anything close to that - especially when you consider what those players would cost these days. I'd say he just needs to achieve a level that would be considered good enough for Barcelona and an acceptable level relative to the fee they paid for him.
Yeah they're not exactly comparable players but I'd agree. A 17 or 18 year old Arsenal player doing what Fabregas was doing would probably cost 110+ million in the current market though.
Isn't that what makes them so successful. Rinse and repeat until you got it right. Who cares about those who failed. Small clubs evaluate, large clubs see the bigger picture. They get the big players, rinse the failures, and reap the extra commercial income. No one remembers the Real Madrid failures, and they are plenty. They remember their epic run of CL wins with the players who succeeded.
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He doesnt need to be exactly like Xavi and Iniesta, but if he's too far off that level they'll replace him eventually. Being bought for a high fee with big wages just makes it even more important that he plays like a player worth that.
A Dutch person that loves Iniesta? You sir, are a traitor to the crown. Madrid fans applauded him for scoring the winner in the final. We hate him!
Frenkie is a lovely kid though.
Alcacer is also Spanish and probably the future of the national team up front, so you'd think he'd get more time than a foreign player.
We've got Andreas Pereira and Scott McTominay,relax.
I'm a bit of an anomaly maybe. I'd have hated them to win that final. There are plenty of cynics in the Netherlands who hate everything related to Ajax and the Cruyff style, just because 020. If they would have won with the opposing style, it would have killed the Dutch football identity in favour of the more so called "realistic" football style, which in my opinion makes you just like anyone else except with a smaller population and potential. You have to be smarter, different, as a smaller country.
If over the years, they think they necessarily need to upgrade him because a better player might be available, then good but that solely wouldn't make him a flop or anything close to that. One thing I'd say is certain though is that he won't be moved on just because he failed to get close to peak Xavi or Iniesta's level. They are signing nobody but Frenkie de Jong here, and the question is if he would ultimately be able to get to an acceptable level.
Well just remember that Fabregas was considered a flop
You have a point, we should at least be in the conversation when it comes to signing top talent.
Excellent signing for Barca and the obvious destination for a player of FDJ's abilities. Even as a neutral I'm quite excited to see how he does.
You, Sir, seem to like the word flop for everyday use ...
He was. I thought it was harsh and argued against it.
I actually only use it in response to other people talking about it.
Wouldn't be surprised if Coutinho followed a similar path.
It’s like the words under-/overrated. It only speaks about peoples expectations about other’s expectations or views about other’s views.
De Jong is going to be interesting to watch at Barca, provided he gets to play much of course.
He'll be a flop. He'll earns more than the best midfielders in the world
Well he was signed as a midfielder and ended up playing a lot in attack iirc because he couldn't really displace the guys in midfield. I expect de Jong to be first choice in no time, and I think they'd stick with him if he reaches a level that is considered good enough. It is much easier to look good in a team that is winning. But the wage though....
That can't be true right? Apparently €10m + €6m bonuses. Huge money though, didn't expect that.
Does this mean Busquet to United ?
The owners handed the club to a clueless man called Woodward, who is so slow and reactive and running the club into ground since day he took over.
I believe the Ffp investigation have their hands tied in the market about how much they can spend on one player.
And hopefully some of the homegrown's too (Pogba is, but don't feel he is a Manchester kid).
They probably buy him because of the potential, but the price for potential is high. Regardless, it's not like United ever has done that.
This would be a dream signing, at least for me.
Someone from their academy, isn't it what they always do?
A bit early on the predictions there:P
Oh, we are all set for a new CL title then. Thanks for reassuring meWe've got Andreas Pereira and Scott McTominay,relax.
They bought duds and got rid of them immediately. We bought duds and they stinking the place out for decade and hope the manager can motivate them enough to break their limits.We don't run like a proper football club should, we run like a business company.
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