yeah it was partly the amount of pressure they put him under and partly him just having a slight off-day. Defensively he also seemed lost quite a few times. people ran by him and off him for both goals i believe
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yeah it was partly the amount of pressure they put him under and partly him just having a slight off-day. Defensively he also seemed lost quite a few times. people ran by him and off him for both goals i believe
You are correct. Frenkie still had 100% pass completion in the first half.
Problewm wasthat he was forced to pass most of em back. That's not all his fault of course, but the German's plan worked perfectly for them.
For 85 minutes
Anyway... i think both Frenkie and Matthijs were happy after the game.
Finally a team came up with an answer to the Frenkie, although the Germans redesigned their whole team for it, playing some 3-4-3 like system. The French marked the passing lines to Frenkie and also did some man marking, but the Germans did it slightly different, they waited until the ball was played to Frenkie, and then moved, so the marking move was timed the same time as the ball was received (unlike the French, where Frenkie moved to receive and they were always a little bit too late, making Kanté among others look like a fool). And then press with a second man as well in case he coped. And then when he manages that too, press the passing lines forward so he could only play sideways or backwards. Koeman found a better solution in the second half, a bit cowardly by moving Frenkie further backwards, but also to try the same formerly successful move against the French in the first game to turn him into Frenkie the Wanderer, and get rid of the pressing. Still not the best game but a good one to learn from and find better answers in the future. The rest of the team didn't do so well because they should have profited more from the space granted by the German's Frenkie obsession. They looked a bit tired too. The Germans were strong, but I think part of it was too that the Dutch just played the French in a very intense play last Friday.
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Haha no it has something to do with the king being higher in rank. So marrying a King would make you queen, but marrying a queen only makes you a prince! Frenkie is still a king, but only on the pitch and in his interviews after the match
City closing in according to Sam Lee: https://www.goal.com/en/news/barcel...in-on-de-jong-deal/1o75ag95v0mb01chcp4c2zb1ch
Least surprising thing I've heard all year.
Well that means City won't go for N'Dombele at least.
Replacing Fernandinho with this guy is a huge step up, as if they arent running rings against everyone already
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DiMarzio claims that Manchester City & Barcelona are in constant contact with the Dutch club to sign him in January - Ajax refusing to negotiate/discuss until the New Year.
They were closing in on Sanchez and Jorginho and signed neither. De Jong is a great talent but he wouldn't improve them instantly.
It saddens me to see that we are not even in the running for talented youngsters like him anymore, even when we have a spot open in the team for them. Although it is easy to understand why any youngster would like to avoid joining us - barely any player improves after signing for us, there is something inherently wrong in the structure at our club.
A huge talent but not a Fernandinho replacement
Of course he is a long term Fernandinho replacement.
Guardiola will make him even better instantly and he is building a young team.
Neves or de Jong will be a perfect fit for Guardiola.
Marca just reported PSG have made a formal 80 million offer.
Ajax is going to bank some serious koney for him and De Ligt. Feckers.
Ajax is going to bank some serious koney for him and De Ligt. Feckers.
United should push the boat out for de jong and de ligt.
I hope we do, he'd be a great addition to our midfield.
Won't move to PSG if he has any sense at all.
share the same thoughts. On the other hand I do hope Barca sign De Jong. City miss out and we get to keep Paul.
feck.
I do feel we have better CM prospects than City do what with Gomes, Pereira, and Garner. Though that changes with the way Pep coaches as he can easily slot Foden into midfield and he's currently slightly ahead in development to Gomes. But that's all just a small and pointless victory considering they have the better midfield right now which is what matters here in 2018.
Periera has stagnated though hasn't he? Not getting a sniff under Mourinho.
The funny thing is that nobody seems to be shocked by these crazy numbers anymore.
Yes, sign two expensive young players with no clear long term strategy in place that they will fit into and then proceed to waste their youth while we try to figure that out.
Well, it certainly isn't working out for us signing ready made or aging stars.
Hope Barca get him for the obvious reason of City missing out and then the fact that they wouldn't then have room for Pogba.
The more reason we should be more careful with very expensive youth signing cos what we are really paying for is their potential and if the environment is not right for the excavation of said potential, then we have basically wasted our money.
We need to stop putting the cart before the horse. Every other top club, has someone (independent of the job title), who is familiar with the game and the people in the game, making the footballing decisions. Ed for all his success with the marketing and revenue side, (and he deserves credit for this), has repeatedly shown he is not good enough to handle this side of things. Since he took over the role, we have had 3 managers and significant amount of money spent but all we have to show for it is an overpaid squad and nothing close to being title challengers.
The first step should be to bring in a DoF (or whatever title) to handle this side and setup a long term strategy, after which comes the manager appointment, and after that should be player recruitment (particularly expensive signings that are not for generic roles)
I don't disagree with the rest. However I don't think we need to be extra careful with signing expensive super talents. If anything with them there's room to maneuver since they are more likely to be able adapt to different ideas. It's signing old stalwarts which becomes a problem if you're going to change managers. They'll most likely be the ones that'll struggle to change their set ways under someone different.
With older players, their quality is unlikely to be affected much by the manager, and thus if they dont fit into the manager's plan, can often be moved on with a lesser drop in value. With younger players, the manager is likely to try and develop them into what suits him, and managerial changes that result in philosophical changes can disrupt that development, leading to a waste of talent.
Liverpool star Georginio Wijnaldum had some very kind words to say his national teammate in comments that many Reds fans will hope could sway De Jong's future in their favour.
"With his dribbles he always ensures there is a good connection from defence to midfield and from midfield to attack," Wijnaldum told Voetbal International.
"He is always able to create space because he is a) always available and b) with his actions he creates many situations: he forces opponents to choose, they have to come out of position, lose their marker, which can automatically make space or give us a free man.
"That makes it easier for me to play football. I am someone who naturally likes to move. With Frenkie, I can play much more in the possession, so that in certain situations I also get closer to the opponent's goal. The goals against Germany and France are good examples. I can get there on time now, whereas it was much more difficult for me, because I played a controlling role.
"[He is] so good and special that in Netherlands you don't hear anyone say he must play faster when he starts dribbling. I find that special. I know, the ball is always faster, but sometimes you have to let players dribble to make a difference.
"Now young players get to hear that they are taking it too far, while I think: 'No, let them develop it!' Why do you think we were able to play that stiff French team from time to time? That has to do with the skills of the Dutch players. If you have that in your team, that's a blessing."
"With his dribbles he always ensures there is a good connection from defence to midfield and from midfield to attack," Wijnaldum told Voetbal International.
"He is always able to create space because he is a) always available and b) with his actions he creates many situations: he forces opponents to choose, they have to come out of position, lose their marker, which can automatically make space or give us a free man.
"That makes it easier for me to play football. I am someone who naturally likes to move. With Frenkie, I can play much more in the possession, so that in certain situations I also get closer to the opponent's goal. The goals against Germany and France are good examples. I can get there on time now, whereas it was much more difficult for me, because I played a controlling role.
"[He is] so good and special that in Netherlands you don't hear anyone say he must play faster when he starts dribbling. I find that special. I know, the ball is always faster, but sometimes you have to let players dribble to make a difference.
"Now young players get to hear that they are taking it too far, while I think: 'No, let them develop it!' Why do you think we were able to play that stiff French team from time to time? That has to do with the skills of the Dutch players. If you have that in your team, that's a blessing."
And Eljero Elia in Voetbal International: "I have never seen someone play like Frenkie de Jong. Not Seedorf, Not Sneijder, nobody. I heard Cruyff used to do it like that, but I've never seen him live in action."
The Frenkie Mania is strong!
The Frenkie Mania is strong!
I watched De Jong against France and Germany. If I hadn't heard about him, I'd have never guessed that he is one of the most coveted talents in the world. Against France he was quite conservative in his passing, kept it simple and did nothing extraordinary. Against Germany he was dispossessed several times in dangerous zones and didn't look special at all.
I guess the high price is mostly about his potential and not about his current level. Right now he wouldn't start ahead of Busquets/Fernandinho, he doesn't look that good yet. Eredivisie is about Championship level and stats from his performances there might be misleading. I'm sure he's a big talent but the hype has reached ridiculous levels now.
I guess the high price is mostly about his potential and not about his current level. Right now he wouldn't start ahead of Busquets/Fernandinho, he doesn't look that good yet. Eredivisie is about Championship level and stats from his performances there might be misleading. I'm sure he's a big talent but the hype has reached ridiculous levels now.
Yes, there was a lot of backwards and sideways passes especially against France I think. He is good though, technically and all that. The hype initially seemed moderated, but it has escalated in the last fews weeks. Some now deem him a generational talent, which I wouldn't agree with. I think there is a lot of sentiment attached because he is Dutch and plays for Ajax.
A disbeliever! The witch!
Agreed. I think he's just standing out because of his age and position. But I don't think he's better than Wilshere, Veratti or Thiago was at that age.
I do believe there is a lack of good midfielders coming through, so he is stealing some light with his maturity.
burn the heretic!!!
I kinda agree, but I can't say that because I will be labeled a jealous Feyenoorder
Ah so City is in for him. What a surprise. All the while we are not even able to find a DoF after months.
HAHAHAHA.
It´s funny because it´s true..
Fantastic, we are gazumping City for Frenkie De Jong then turn out that he's nothing special and see Ruben Neves moving to City and become a world-class player (cries).
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