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First time I have seen a name like "Fred" trend that much online.

I hope he is a star. Jose's signings have been mostly neither here nor there, we desperately need all of our new signings this summer to be hits and preferably our RW to do a Salah...or atleast some of that.
 
I still think a 433 might not get the best out of our players, especially the forwards. A 4312/442Diamond will be much better in my opinion, with one of the 2 forwards going out to the flanks once in while to create space, while most of the width come from our full backs.

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gr3yham3 said:
I still think a 433 might not get the best out of our players, especially the forwards. A 4312/442Diamond will be much better in my opinion, with one of the 2 forwards going out to the flanks once in while to create space, while most of the width come from our full backs.

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If we signed Talisca, I doubt he'd be a starter here. We're more likely to see Sanchez in his spot and one of Martial and Rashford as the other striker. Either way, I like the formation.
 
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If we signed Talisca, I doubt he'd be a starter here. We're more likely to see Sanchez in his spot and one of Martial and Rashford as the other striker.
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That's also a possibility, but I was just kinda speculating a starting 11 with all the potential new signings. Such a formation will also allow Martial and Rashford game time as forwards, either paired with Lukaku or each other. Talisca, if the rumours are true, will also mean that we will have a strong aerial threat in the box, offering the "Fellaini option" for us and more. This will mean we might see 3 Brazilians in our starting 11 quite often - when was the last time we ever had that happening? Only drawback is that our width really will come from our fullbacks, or we need to rely on Pogba/Fred to send in crosses if they chose to push up and go wide to support the wings.
 
If we get him, our slow build up play will improve so much, in my opinion.

With the way Jose plays, with wide forwards playing in between the lines, Fred is the type of player to receive the ball and fizz it into one of the three forwards.

Carrick did this for us, and it's a skill that is massively underrated. If played at the right time, you can end up taking out three or four opposition players.

To add to that, he also has the ability to dribble past players and progress up the pitch.

Really excited to see what a midfield of Pogba, Matic and Fred have to offer. On paper, it's a nice balance.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
If we get him, our slow build up play will improve so much, in my opinion.

With the way Jose plays, with wide forwards playing in between the lines, Fred is the type of player to receive the ball and fizz it into one of the three forwards.

Carrick did this for us, and it's a skill that is massively underrated. If played at the right time, you can end up taking out three or four opposition players.

To add to that, he also has the ability to dribble past players and progress up the pitch.

Really excited to see what a midfield of Pogba, Matic and Fred have to offer. On paper, it's a nice balance.
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Will also offload Pogba's responsiblities to always try to dictate play while still trying to score and defend. A 4312 will also means we have the flexibility to play Herrera in there too for tough games, with Pogba pushed up to the tip of the "diamond" to support the 2 forwards. A midfield trio of Herrera, Fred and Matic seems pretty hard to play against with their defensive nous and tenacity, while still offering enough in terms of passing through the lines quickly to get it up to the 2 forwards.
 
gr3yham3 said:
That's also a possibility, but I was just kinda speculating a starting 11 with all the potential new signings. Such a formation will also allow Martial and Rashford game time as forwards, either paired with Lukaku or each other. Talisca, if the rumours are true, will also mean that we will have a strong aerial threat in the box, offering the "Fellaini option" for us and more. This will mean we might see 3 Brazilians in our starting 11 quite often - when was the last time we ever had that happening? Only drawback is that our width really will come from our fullbacks, or we need to rely on Pogba/Fred to send in crosses if they chose to push up and go wide to support the wings.
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I agree. If we can get Sandro and a good RB, it'll be a pretty good formation for us.
 
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I agree. If we can get Sandro and a good RB, it'll be a pretty good formation for us.
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Will Jose play like this though? The only time I can remember him doing something similar was with his Inter side? Or was it his Porto side?
 
gr3yham3 said:
I still think a 433 might not get the best out of our players, especially the forwards. A 4312/442Diamond will be much better in my opinion, with one of the 2 forwards going out to the flanks once in while to create space, while most of the width come from our full backs.

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I like the look of your formation but with regards to personnel, I don't think we'll manage 5 signings, I think max. 3. Sandro, Fred and one other would not be the worst transfer window. Mourinho might go full Brazilian and buy Sandro, Fred and Willian! Although, Willian as a 29 year old winger, I'm not so sure of...but then he did sign Sanchez...
 
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If we signed Talisca, I doubt he'd be a starter here. We're more likely to see Sanchez in his spot and one of Martial and Rashford as the other striker. Either way, I like the formation.
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If we signed Talisca it's not to sit behind Rashford and Martial.
 
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If we signed Talisca it's not to sit behind Rashford and Martial.
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We could rotate things around as well, play Talisca together with Lukaku upfront for great aerial thread, and Sanchez/Martial at the tip of the diamond to prompt things. Quite a flexible formation I feel.
 
I’m excited about this, one of the most criminally underrated and exciting players Chelsea had under Mourinho v1.0 was Ramires. I rated him highly and really enjoyed watching him play, and would have had him at United in a heartbeat. This might be our Ramires!
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
If we get him, our slow build up play will improve so much, in my opinion.

With the way Jose plays, with wide forwards playing in between the lines, Fred is the type of player to receive the ball and fizz it into one of the three forwards.

Carrick did this for us, and it's a skill that is massively underrated. If played at the right time, you can end up taking out three or four opposition players.

To add to that, he also has the ability to dribble past players and progress up the pitch.

Really excited to see what a midfield of Pogba, Matic and Fred have to offer. On paper, it's a nice balance.
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It's incredibly understated aspect, I agree. I adored Carrick for those passes even if he sometimes lacked in other departments.
 
For the price, I reckon this will prove to be a shrewd signing. Certainly strengthens our midfield. If we can now add one more midfielder, I think we'll be quite well stocked.

Welcome to Old Trafford, Frederick!
 
Do people think Savic is really a likely signing now that we have spend 50m on a CM? I think the idea is that Fred will step into this midfield along with Matic and Pogba. If Savic signs it means pogba is leaving imo.
 
The fee could top £50 million with add ons. Shakhtar have lined up Maycon from Corinthians as a replacement.

Manchester City had been the original frontrunners for Fred, who had set his sights on a move to the Premier League champions in January

But City cooled their interest when United entered the bidding and Shakhtar inflated the price, prompting Etihad officials to eventually walk away and turn their attentions instead to Jorginho, Napoli’s Italy midfielder. City backed out of a deal for Alexis Sanchez in similar circumstances after balking at the sums involved before the Chile striker moved to Old Trafford from Arsenal in January
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Ffs :rolleyes:
 
gr3yham3 said:
I still think a 433 might not get the best out of our players, especially the forwards. A 4312/442Diamond will be much better in my opinion, with one of the 2 forwards going out to the flanks once in while to create space, while most of the width come from our full backs.

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In my opinion this team is not good enough to beat City to the title.
 
0161_UNITED said:
I’m excited about this, one of the most criminally underrated and exciting players Chelsea had under Mourinho v1.0 was Ramires. I rated him highly and really enjoyed watching him play, and would have had him at United in a heartbeat. This might be our Ramires!
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Ramirez was a good player. Was just thinking about him recently because that Maitland Niles at Arsenal reminded me of him when he played CM against us. He looks like he could be a cracking player.
 
What kind of midfielder is Fred? I'm asking those that have actually seen him play not Youtube.
 
Patrick08 said:
I don't think the Keane- Carrick argument applies to this instance one bit. It's always about the level of entire Midfield combination and the Dynamics of teams attacking and defensive structure,Midfield control and teams Transition play.

I Agree Fred's work rate and energy will help us press higher up the pitch and thus bring us that ability to break play higher up the pitch and maintain a better proactive defensive control higher up the pitch , but all these qualities tend to matter when the team has just lost the ball posession and the Opposition is trying to counter attack or build up their attack. These qualities come into play Off the Ball or without the ball. It's what we do on the ball and with the ball when the opponent has been defending with 10 men in their own half is what matters to us going forward, and Majority of teams in Epl play that way which we have struggled to break down over and over again and the teams defensive and midfeild control or ball Recovery was not a big problem in those games. Those sort of teams Rarely show enough ambition to attack. What Makes a team efficient and Ruthless in attack is the ability to create space, play make, Spot a Dangerous pass with the Movement in behind which always is a nightmare for defenders. Now Fred will not Bring those Qualities on that level. One can put enough pressure and keep on circulation the ball sideways and put in crosses but epl teams can absorb that if the team does not have Movement Width and deadly passing vision and Playmaking Going forward.

Keane played with the likes of Scholes and Beckham and Cantona who had incredible vision, playmaking skills Goal scoring ability and also we played with natural width those days and two strikers which creates more space in final third.

There's a Popular football saying that "The Ball travels Faster than the Player". Transition is Faster with a player who can spot an inch perfect quick attacking pass and find a attacker who's making the run in behind and stretching the play than a ball Carrier Midfielder Like Pogba and Fred and Matic who keep the ball so long in their feet and try to dribble past 2-3 players and loose the Ball Possession in the final third and only Needing to win the Ball back over and over again or passing it sideways and backwards to recyle the ball without any game opening pass or get fouled and fall down.

Pogba ain't a player like Scholes who is that efficient with the ball in his feet, neither Matic can create on his own when the passing lanes are Blocked and Fred is not on that level passing wise as well.

The Transition play will improve against teams who play attacking football as they give space to penetrate in the midfield not against defensive teams we struggle to break down.

So the overall midfield dynamic and transition will not be as fast and good enough to score easy goals and be ruthless fearsome going forward. Only the right profile of signings will Make us the team other teams are scared of. Efficient Playmakers are a must in a Ruthless team and I hope we are secretly interested in them as well. DLP and attacking Playmakers is the need of this team as per me.
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To keep it short, I agree with the most of it but how many lower table teams did we actually struggle to score against? We started really well beating everyone 4:0, our performance levels faded when we became more tired and too rigid, it is mostly like this with Mourinho teams having a blast of a first half of the season and then fade away, also Martial and Rashford put in a great fight and created or scored on many occassions in the beginning. We deadnt struggle much against the lower table sides and they were mostly defending. But when our wingplay started collapsing along with Pogba or Lukaku out of form we stopped generating chances. If we keep high intensity to our play and focus we will create loads of chances. and Fred will keep that intensity. Also you make him sound like Kante, hes actually have a good pass in him and is a decent dribbler for a midfielder, can turn quickly and play give and go, thread through a pass too here and there.

It is also about the control in the final third of the pitch we may have had possession against lower teams but werent anywhere near their goal, often playing on our half, Fred will help to regain possession higher up the pitch and we can be more threatening and then last and important thing, hes not coming to be a creative midfielder against the lower sides but more of a force to win the battle against the bigger sides just in the premier league, and they will not defend deep, I expect at least top 6 dominate us next season against Mourinho, possession wise, of coursit doesnt always matter but its good to have a bigger control over the game and Fred being hardworking able to win the ball and actually being capable going forward will fix this problem for us. I expected also a game like the one against Sevilla wouldnt happen with a player like him because simply he would add more intensity to our dull play and actually we would have a player to go from defence to attack much quicker. For 50m euros it is a great deal.

Not sure if you always need a creater midfielder and Pogba is creative enough when on song, being devoid of defensive work, the front 3 players excluding Lukaku should be creating enough when on their best, we would have Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Mata, possibly Willian and couple of others when on song they are creative players, Lingard plays also much better in high intensity games even though it will be him to make his way for Fred.. We just need that intensity for these players to get on the ball at the right place and right time
 
Good, I don't have the heart for long drawn out transfer sagas this summer, get them in early. I'll go watch the obligatory youtube video now

EDIT: Watched the video, gotta say that was a great watch, I can get excited now can I? Daddy I want! Want!. We'll need a left winger that makes runs for those passes of his though, or a style of play that creates space for wingers to make runs, whatever the reason we are so static in attack
 
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