Never expect Fred to look good in such a midfield.
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I thought McT was making him look worse than he really is? Is it Sabitzer fault now?
Like I mentioned before that the next three games against Leeds and Leicester without Casemiro will be the games of me thinking whether he‘s good enough to be kept as our backup option for next season or no. He already failed the first test out of three.
He's clearly can't be Casemiro's backup and not good enough to be rotated with Eriksen and he's going to turn 30 years old this year. Just sell him and McTominay and use the cash to help us upgrading our midfield. We need Casemiro's backup and someone good enough to be rotated with Eriksen.
He's clearly can't be Casemiro's backup and not good enough to be rotated with Eriksen and he's going to turn 30 years old this year. Just sell him and McTominay and use the cash to help us upgrading our midfield. We need Casemiro's backup and someone good enough to be rotated with Eriksen.
This is mental though because it was basic passing and shooting that he was so bad at.
I’ve given up hope he’s a creative mid, I understand that, but passing it behind our runners, or passing it to Leeds players can’t be excused
There was a serious disconnect between our CB's and Midfield. How many times did Leeds squeeze our CB's on the ball and push up to deny space to play the ball into Fred and Sabitzer. At times I could count 6 Leeds players in frame squeezing the pitch with Varane on the ball and only Sabitzer and Martinez to play it to.
The rest of our players were too high up the pitch which led to some turnovers in possession. We needed our wingers and Bruno to drop a little deeper to bypass that press. We can ill afford them these same opportunities on their home turf. Wout out, please. Offers nothing in attack.
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- Sancho --------------- Bruno --------------------- Pellistri -
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Stop fecking around with these guys. Give their defense a genuine threat in Rashford up top.
That bad is an understatement. He's that shite.
Passing to Leeds players so countless times, even when he had so much time on ball to aim, and losing possession dangerously. Leeds is shite. If it's a Leeds midfielder we're performing like this, we're winning with tennis scoreline.
During our players looked like they were scared passing the ball to him, too.
I feel sorry for them that they seemed to go for a difficult option and messed up, just to bypass relying on Fred.After tonight's performance I'd like to see us give Fred a rest against Leeds away on Sunday. I'd try Bruno/Sabitzer or more likely Martinez in there with Sabitzer and keep Fred on the bench for some energy if we need it.
Having said that given how wildly erratic his performances are he could play and be MOTM on sunday.
The problem is half the time he's a disruptor for us too
Yeah it was back to a disaster class tonight for Fred without a holding midfielder. Just isn't the player you want in midfield when you're trying to dictate play and get back into a game.
Bruno in our double pivot would be a bad idea. He gives the ball away a lot, too. I understand why people want Martinez there, but we lose too much moving him into midfield. Unless we're moving Shaw to CB to replace him, nobody else comes close to his press resistance and ball progression.
Since Case and McT aren't available, I think we will continue with Fred and hope he plays far better. If it's not Fred, I think it will be Lindelof. ETH has brought him on and played him there the past 2 games.
Cleverley looked good next to Carrick. Top player can make any players even the average ones around you better and unfortunately today shows we need to move on from three of our backup midfielders (McT, Fred, and VDB) because none of them are good enough to be rotated with our first choice midfielders and none of them can even fill in the Casemiro's role even just for few games.
Feel the criticism is way over the top. Fair enough, he had a bad game but he's been doing very well recently. Tonight's system didn't suit him with no well known DM in the team.
Fred is what he is - he tries hard, has his uses in the right context (man-marking de Bruyne) but ultimately is not good enough to be a regular starter for United. After 4-5 years, I think we all know that.
It's not a system issue though is it? We dominated a large part of the game, but the way he disrupted our attack was just dreadful. We've had a lot of average midfielders in the past, but they were at least reliable and could do the simple thing. Fred can be brilliant sometimes, but when he's bad he just kills us. We need players who can be consistent and reliable if we want to challenge for things.
Didn't catch much of the game tonight as I was out, but interested to see how much of a calamity he was. Sounds like one for the history books.
To be fair to him he's been pretty good recently alongside Casemiro, but yeah we all know he has the potential for some absolute horror shows.
To be fair to him he's been pretty good recently alongside Casemiro, but yeah we all know he has the potential for some absolute horror shows.
It’s really hard to overstate how poor he was. The drop off from his recent performances was shocking.
It's unfortunate that so many of our chances late on in the game fell to him.
Fred does have his days where he is really good, but when he is off his game he looks secondary school level
Fred does have his days where he is really good, but when he is off his game he looks secondary school level
Erik wants people who's comfortable on the ball and this guy just keeps making one atrocious pass after another I hope he's one of the players who'll be on the list of sales.
Over the top? Over the top is him making himself available to put on a display like that. I just hope it doesn’t affect him psychologically going forward. That was like playing Inzaghi in CDM.
Was worried too because Sabitzer is, afaik, also more comfortable as a roaming 8. This meant, that our double pivot consisted out of Fred, known for being shit at sitting, Sabitzer, an unknown, and Bruno, who was back to his worst midfield abandoning performances. At least in 1st half. Still a bit puzzled, that ETH didn't felt the need to adjust the game plan a little knowing that two of his most essential pieces aren't available. Also thought Leeds were terrific today. Pretty sure we would have looked just as bad with Casemiro in there.
Because Bruno is better at keeping the ball under control, gotcha. Don't think, this will work. With the injuries, Fred has to play in my eyes, what we have to adjust, is our game plan.
Fred was just so bad today that I was hoping ETH would send Mainoo in there at some point. I don't need to explain how much I was pissed with his performance.
Not as much as Fred and yes we would lose a bit in defence playing Martinez in midfield but as you say Shaw can deputize at CB and we would be gaining in midfield having someone in there who can receive and pass a ball. I'd be up for giving Lindelof a go in there as well. Based on tonight's performance I genuinely don't think we can risk Fred in a midfield 2 until Casemiro's available again.
I'm genuinely struggling to imagine Bruno being as bad as Fred was tonight in midfield. I've never seen Fernandes put in a performance that bad.
He was shocking today.
I can’t wait for us to get rid of him and he’s no longer an option. Sadly, I know there will be games where I’ll be thinking “we needed Fred for this”.
I can’t wait for us to get rid of him and he’s no longer an option. Sadly, I know there will be games where I’ll be thinking “we needed Fred for this”.
Well Bruno has the talent, to make one or two wonderpasses per game which leads to many people overseeing his flaws. Not saying that Bruno is as bad as Fred on a bad day. But a midfield performance should always be seen as a unit performance. Leeds were relentless today - and numerous. ETH should have adjusted to that way earlier and not tried to outplay them. Obviously I would expect us to be able to outplay Leeds, no question about it. But not on any given day and night. And today, with Casemiro and Eriksen out and Fred and the guy whos here since 20minutes only available plus the perfect counter weapon in Rashford in very good form, we might have made the task harder than it had to be. Heck, over the last years we always tried to stay deep against them and hit them on the counter, didn't we?!
Has anyone checked if Chris Armas had his airpods on? and if Fred had airpods on?
We were sabotaged.
We were sabotaged.
Noticed that Armas only had an airpod in his right ear... pull the footage and check Fred's left
Hopeless without Casa to hold hand
Was his worst performance of the season when he needed to stand up with no Eriksen and Casemiro
Diabolical doesn't do it justice
I'd go with Lindelof - Sabitzer. At least we have someone who can tackle well while screening the defence.
I don't believe the two players you listed do that, especially Iceman...
Just scared to play Fred because he's capable to assist Leeds by giving away possession cheaply in dangerous area.
Players went through Fred like he wasn't there. Just like Fred, Sabitzer is better as B2B. Lindelof isn't perfect but at least he and Sabitzer won't be a massive hindrance to our play.
Tonight, sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit.
Did pull off an Antony spin, though.
Did pull off an Antony spin, though.
Some of his wayward should never have to do with playing alongside Casemiro or not. You simply don't do that, that's all
Yes, exactly. Even with his terrible passing and complete failure to be available to receive the ball from the back 4, if he wasn't always wildly out of position while defending he would be adequate. Instead he strays out of position, lunges into to tackles in a panic and usually just ends up whiffing completely.
No, not really. He did not disrupt Leeds' attacks at all. He was useful against City because he was told to tightly man mark a specific player, but if you have to rely on him to position himself properly to shield the front 4, you are in trouble. He has no sense of where to position himself in defence and he's an awful tackler.
Was completely spent near the end, couldn't even get power on his shots. Very poor game. Need him in this big week coming up though.
I honestly could not believe his passing last night, absolute garbage, his shooting I take as a given anyway.
He is also incredibly easy to bypass at times, basically sold himself for the first goal as well.
He is also incredibly easy to bypass at times, basically sold himself for the first goal as well.
It's rough, I know. But this is how I felt after the game.
The team is vulnerable when Fred is playing. In attack, transitions and defense. Bottleneck.
Diabolical game from him. He's not always that bad.
With the ball, without the ball, all over the place. Absolute disaster of a performance.
With the ball, without the ball, all over the place. Absolute disaster of a performance.
Where was the good must have missed it
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