Usual tosh in here. He was brutal last night but has been largely excellent in his performances this season. He brings energy and bite to us from the bench and has shown plenty going forward in the more advanced role he's been given, goals, assists plenty of clever little balls around the box. That's not what he was asked to do last night and everything went wrong for him. Erik will decide whether he needs upgrading as a squad player but anyone writing him off completely after last night can't have been watching us this season.
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exactly, but has anyone mentioned McT yet?
Sorry you have the memory of a pillow. Did you actually see our first 5 games of the season? I did and Fred was probably the worst player on the pitch. Yes he had a couple of good games and it was noted on here, but so did Lingard and where is he now?
He certainly wasn't the only player to struggle yesterday. A lot of our players lost possession to Leeds in dangerous areas. It was a pretty panicky performance, which I have no doubts comes from Leeds playing out of their skin for a new manager. They haven't put that kind of effort in all season.
He has had a lot of good games this season. Well worth keeping.
He has had a lot of good games this season. Well worth keeping.
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Deeney was wrong though. He won't give it 4 times a game, yesterday he gave it to them 25 times..
Nice to see a balanced view on the situation!
The poster you quoted literally stated how Fred is at his best in a more advanced role and not asked to play DM, and then you complain about when he was playing DM at the start of the season
He's not a fecking DM, he's an energetic 8 that ideally we use as a squad player off of the bench to outrun teams in the final 30 minutes and give freedom to harry the oppo while popping up with some goal contributions. Problem is we don't have any other options so it was worth a shot last night to see if he could cope, but he clearly can't.
For a United career that has had some ups and many more downs that arguably was his worst performance. What made it so bad was that he was trying to get into spaces that Sabitzer was trying to occupy, which completely exposed our back 4. Sabitzer can be forgiven, he's only been at the club for about a week! But Fred, who's stolen a living for 5 years should know better. If we're going to progress into eventual title contenders, this joker has to go.
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Well, we've played 31 matches between then and ladt night and I would contend that's a pretty decent sample size to measure whether he's contributing or not. Also, pillows these days have excellent memory, so the jokes on you, Kostov.
Pillows for dummies
Let's put it to bed now, eh? See what I did there?
I don't understand why Sabitzer wasn't given the 6 role outright and why they were swapping it. Sabitzer is obviously more suited to the role. Hopefully Teny adjusts for Sunday.
100% agree with this. He's had plenty of great games for us, but also games like yesterday as well. He's one of the most hot and cold players I've ever seen play for us. I will still never understand anybody that says he's one of the worst player that's ever played for us. That's definitely a reactionary opinion.
His bottom level games will stand out more. How he played yesterday isn't accepted for a Man United player. You still can't forget the great performances he's had for us. He's had quite a few. I think our best game this season was against Spurs and Fred was MoTM. He's mostly been good this season. He had a poor start, but improved after being used from the bench and then starting with Casemiro.
I've always liked Fred. I would like him to stay, but I understand people that would prefer a replacement. A player with a more rounded skillset and a higher bottom level.
Was only the other week he bossed De Bruyne in the derby. Fred is a very good player, but can’t be relied on without a DM next to him. Him and Sabitzer were almost making identical runs last night, neither knew when to sit. It’s not his fault Casemiro is suspended, he’s been top this season.
You've misread my post mate.
Sabitzer himself is an action player. He's never your traditional no6.
He maybe the most influential playmaker in Nagelsmann's last Leipzig team, but he doesn't like to sit, or playing the anchor role. Leipzig press as an unit, which Sabitzer is just cog of the machine in this tactic. Nagelsmann play a pseudo back 3, which allows one of his CBs to step into midfield to break up play when required, partially do the job of a no6. Sabitzer is an everywhere player too. For tactical reason, he could be seen deployed as playmaking RB for example.
What we saw in this game is that Sabitzer and Fred almost move, react identically tactic wise. (Fred played much worse, but still had fuel for the game game while Sabitzer looked like he ran out of gas). We really didn't play a no 6 this game, and it showed.
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For anyone taking the piss out of Fred, what do you expect when he is asked to execute a role he is completely unsuited to? He cannot do that job but he is the most suited to all the players we had available, it's literally the only option. Fred needs a Casemiro/Eriksen in order to thrive and utilise his best assets. He needs someone to mop up after him.
Has his moments but needs to be let go. Just not a reliable squad player at all unfortunately. Him and McTom need to make way for better players.
Yeah, we needed one alright and will do while Casemiro is out. I think he could definitely do a much job in there than Fred.
He is actually a great squad player. Problem is when he does his job well everyone wants to promote him to weekly first teamer, rinse and repeat the brutal cycle where we're once again reminded how he got to the bench in the first place.
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Fantastic today, and in a very tough game in midfield.
People, try to look at each match in isolation and take your preconceptions out. You had people shitting on him throughout the match seemingly ignoring what was actually happening.
People, try to look at each match in isolation and take your preconceptions out. You had people shitting on him throughout the match seemingly ignoring what was actually happening.
Two of the most contrasting performances you’re ever going to see this week
Every player has poor games. He is a great player to have in the side.
He made 10 tackles today. Insane amount
He made 10 tackles today. Insane amount
He does it again
Said it before in this thread, but I've never seen a player like him for us. His performances can swing widely from game to game. The match thread was strange, because he played well throughout the game. People shit on him when he's doing well.
He also won the ball back for us before Rashford scored.
Said it before in this thread, but I've never seen a player like him for us. His performances can swing widely from game to game. The match thread was strange, because he played well throughout the game. People shit on him when he's doing well.
He also won the ball back for us before Rashford scored.
Shows how idiotic/knee jerk people can be
More back to his usual that. Getting the freedom to run around and having Sabitzer sitting
He was good again today in the second half. Much more like it. I think the last game was probably his worst for us.
He was ok today. Still unreliable on the ball but matched the work rate of the Leeds midfield.
Yes same.
I saw quite a few saying Shaw was MOTM. His cross was absolute class but he amongst pretty much everyone else had really poor individual games. Fred included but he put out so many fires today and was arguably our most 'consistent' player. He's never going to get the assist or do match changing moments but his energy and chaos is much needed, however risky that is.
Only player who probably deserved MOTM was Martinez for me and that's coming on a sub playing for only 30mins
Much better today.
MOTM. How’s everyone coping in here?
Given he got a fairly early yellow he did so well to help nullify them. Also didn't daftly go into a challenge which was possibly a 50-50 but a chance to give the ref something to do with the crowd screaming at him
Fred roulette, never know what you're going to get.
Yup. We are lucky to have Fred and he is a very valuable squad player. But yes is prone to the odd shocker. The abuse he gets is embarrassing from some of the folsk on here
Excellent today
You can't take those posters seriously, they will always find something to bash their out of favour player, at least they will shut up now for a while now like they did the last month when he put another 2 or 3 MOTM performances in.
Fred was amazing today, absolute miles ahead of anyone else from the minute one, when evryone looked way off pace, that's why I love about him, he's always absolute ready, considering the hostile cirumstances, his teammates being asleep and Sabitzer being poor too, it's definitely one of his top performances.
Can't believe he got recognition from Sky as well, you can tell he had a absolutely great game when the homegrown Rashford scored and didn't get the usual MOTM..
Fred is such an RNG player. I love him and infuriated by him all at the same time.
He was vital today though, made some big 2nd man challengers in and around the box. Great ratting today.
I love him and infuriated by him all at the same time.He was vital today though, made some big 2nd man challengers in and around the box. Great ratting today.
He won the ball back twice as many times as any player on the pitch: 10 tackles is a huge number in midfield. That was far more than okay.
10 tackles. Most on a yellow card. He and Martinez turned the game in our favour.
Slightly erratic in first half but better in 2nd half. He needs someone like Casemiro next to him to shine
Much better? He litereally went from the worst player in the history of the club to MOTM
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