Clearly, the gays need to incorporate. Then they'll have more leverage.
Foreign secretary advice to LGBT fans.... Be respectful
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Clearly, the gays need to incorporate. Then they'll have more leverage.
The article I responded to specifically referred to lobbying...
I'm NOT saying governments don't have an agenda. They all do. I'm primarily saying two things:
1) Qatar lobbying UK politicians in the last year isn't necessarily about the WC, given that it was awarded a year prior.
2) The Minister's message to UK tourists isn't related to lobbying unless you're reaching or throwing shit
agree, they should change their regressive old system if they want to host these prestigious international events, but while we are at it, some countries like the UK and the US should also not be honoured with such prestigious events because of the way they have caused suffering not only on minorities, but eradicating entire nations. Dont you agree?
Whataboutism at it’s finest.
it goes without saying that if the UK was still practising colonialism then no one here would want them to host a prestigious international event either. It’s all about progress & I’m not sure you noticed but the UK just had their third female prime minister followed into office by a man with Punjabi descent.
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Hypocrisy at its finest. Colonialism
ffs They were granted the prestigious Olympic games only one year after invading Iraq and causing the death and suffering of millions. The arrogance westerners have when lecturing other cultures how to behave while killing them is laughable and nauseating.By your logic, the US is not suitable as a destination for billions of people who wants to attend the next world cup. They have laws specifically designed to not welcome certain demographics.
The entire country is founded on immigration and diversity. Just a smidge different.
I think the mistake you and others make is you feel we're saying Qatar has to be perfect to warrant a world cup.
It's not that. No country is perfect as you say.
But there's a sliding scale, a line that should be drawn. It can be very tricky to know where that line should ne drawn but sometimes, like in this instance, it's pretty straightforward.
Hypocrisy at its finest. Colonialism
Nonsense, there were huge protests in all Western countries over the Iraq wars. So protest is consistent.
Nobody in this thread has invaded anywhere btw.
I'll say again, I never said the lobbying was connected to the world cup.
So we agree the government has an agenda but disagree that it measures its statements based on vested interests. Grand.
Which entire nations were completely eradicated? Genuine question.
Also, unless the Swiss are happy hosting every Olympics, World Cup and whatever other tournament you want to throw in, you'll struggle to find a country that doesn't have some sort of dark moment in history.
I like how the arbiter of morality in this thread is called "Giggsyking".
Hypocrisy at its finest. Colonialism
feck me, you’ll be lucky to find a poster in here who hasn’t spoken out against Iraq ffs.
No-one in here is/was killing anyone.
Nonsenss. Have nothing to do with the protests. The UK government hosted the OG, not the ordinary people who protested.
And there are people in this thread invaded by the way.
Giggs is a shitty person, when I created this username I did not know how shit he is as a person. But reading a Chelsea fan talking about morality, the sheer hypocrisy
The UK and US dark history, is in fact still present and continuous.
Regressive countries like Qatar with backward descriminating laws should not host a worldcup becuase they are causing people suffering, just like war raging countries like Russia and the UK that cause suffering for millions of people around the world.
If people have a problem with this concept, it has only one explanation, selectivity and hypocrisy.
My last postvin this thread.
If people have a problem with this concept, it has only one explanation, selectivity and hypocrisy.
My last postvin this thread.
Who CAN morally host the World Cup. Let's look at Tuvulu
The absolute minimum for hosting a world cup should be democracy and free elections. Qatar, Russia and China falls well short of that.
Israel?
The absolute minimum for hosting a World Cup is a massive bag of devil's dandruff, highly paid escorts, personalised Rolex's and Jack Warner in a 'consultancy role'
Israel what??Israel?
What are you raving about?
Governments have long ceased to be bastians of morality, we have all known this for a long time.
There are no governments protesting or boycotting so I don't see why that's relevant.
As for the amount of invaders in this thread, I'm definitely not one of them so your hysterical scattergun rants of hypocrisy and Colonialism are absurd. Wanting rights for the citizens of any country is not colonialism. Imperialists have of course lied about their motives but thats surely not too difficult to disentangle surely?
Well if you are asking is there a perfect country, then no, but there are some that are worse than others. But you know that.
Contridiction. The point is, don’t host a World Cup in a country that is dangerous for some. Especially at a time when players are wearing lgbt armbands. It’s double standards and shows that money rules over the points they make. The ink isn’t worth the armbands their printed on.
On the other side, nothing changes if you just shun these countries and it’s possible this is a big step in their history to host such a event.
We know this anyway. And was kind of the point I was trying to make in an earlier post.
The kick it out campaign was happening whilst black players were being abused at grounds, on social media and even stories in the national media here.
Players wear armbands and rainbow laces but players don't feel safe coming out.
Football is the problem or specifically the ruling bodies. If there is money involved they don't really give a shite
Democracy doesn`t guarantee that people won`t be persecuted, the biggest democracy India are persecuting Christians, Muslims and the lower caste. 20 women are killed or commit suicide per day because parents can`t afford to pay Dowry for their daughters. We all buy Chinese products and most global companies are working in Qatar, Saudi so let`s not pretend we can change things, if you want to change things boycott all those companies including Utd who make money from these countries.
Pretty weird tweet, the average person ranting about immigrants usually aren't too bothered about LGBT+ rights either. Do you have anyone in mind that this applies to?
No, I just thought it was an interesting point.
If you can't think of anyone it applies to then I don't see how it can be anything interesting about it, but alright.
It's the other way around, this twitter guy is making a very poor point about Muslims immigrants.
Quality control
I disagree that the foreign secretary's statements were based on vested interests. Advising British citizens not to do dumb shit white in Qatar is indeed grand.
It's only a contradiction if you actually think the foreign secretary is admonishing the LGBT community or if you completely fail to grasp the meaning of his message. Again, any functioning adult should understand the intent of the statement.
Using a harmless advisory to soapbox about LGBT issues isn't interesting to me, and more importantly not the point.
Luckily he offended the LGBT community and not the Qataris. It is quite amazing with these Tories that their buffoonery always coincides with their policy and agenda. People do it here too. "Oh those idiots don't know what they're doing". Yet they do.
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Nobody said he's admonishing them. So that's irrelevant.
So anyone who disagrees with you isn't a functioning adult? Grow up or don't post.
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but his point is the people who complain about Muslim immigrants are the same people complaining about LGBT rights whilst visiting Qatar right?
there is zero cross-over in that particular Venn diagram
It caused offense only because some either don't know the word respect has an alternate meaning or just refuse to acknowledge context. I'm uninterested in political theatre so really don't care if he's Tory or Labour. It's possible to call a spade a spade without ascribing it to a particular ideology.
If he's not criticizing the LGBT community then how is it a contradiction?
Now you're just being disingenuous. As I said before, any grown-up should understand his statement, and realize it was an advisory on how to behave in a foreign country with a different set of rules. Has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing and everything to do with using common sense.
What are you talking about? The whole conversation is actually based on that fact the word has two meanings and was chosen for that reason.
You do seem to have quite a lot of strong opinions on it for someone with no interest in political theatre.
This is tedious. Nobody said he was criticising the LGBT community.
You are missing far too many points, for whatever reason, for this exchange to be interesting.