Foreign secretary advice to LGBT fans.... Be respectful

If people feel so strongly just don`t go or boycott the games, how can you change a culture and value that opposes same sex relationship. These are deep seated believes that are fundamental to lots of people religious and non religious. Lots of people have issues with gender identity that is taught to children in school, last week Utd fans were apparently singing songs at Chelsea which was deemed inappropriate and that's coming from a people who are supposed to have been educated on these matters for the past 20 years. There are countries where women/ girls can`t cover their heads with a piece of cloth because they think it oppresses women.

How far are you willing to go against an individual's human rights for the sake of culture? Do you think International sanctions against apartheid was disrespectful to the culture?

What the United fans did was wrong and they were condemned. That sort of chanting went on previous decades with no push-back and got worse and worse and became part of a culture of violence and fear and eventually death. What's your point exactly?
 
cohabitation is illegal and sex between men is illegal, punishable with a fine and a few years in prison
So all that the country would have to be flexible on is allowing people to live together for a few weeks and continue their perfectly normal relationships?

Seems like something reasonable.
 
Is it illegal to be homosexual there and if so what happens if you are?

Mostly nothing. A slap in the wrist and sent back home with a warning.

Unless you go skinny dipping and making love in the middle of the street

They're not gonna bother as long as you play along and dont force their hand doing stuff in public.

As in most Religious themed country. The law says otherwise but the application on the field is quite lenient
 
"Freedom of expression and nondiscrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity should be guaranteed, permanently, for all residents of Qatar, not just spectators going to Qatar for the World Cup," HRW said in a statement.

The organisation said it had interviewed six LGBT Qataris, including four transgender women, one bisexual woman and one gay man, who reported being detained between 2019 and 2022 and subjected to verbal and physical abuse, including kicking and punching.

They were detained without charge in an underground prison in Doha, HRW said, and one individual was held for two months in solitary confinement.

"All six said that police forced them to sign pledges indicating that they would 'cease immoral activity'," it said, adding that transgender women detainees were mandated to attend conversion therapy sessions at a government-sponsored clinic.

Qatar does not "license or operate 'conversion centres'," the Qatari official said.

One of the transgender Qatari women interviewed by HRW told Reuters on condition of anonymity that she was arrested several times, most recently this summer when she was held for several weeks.

Authorities had stopped her due to her appearance or for possessing make-up, the woman said, adding that she had been beaten to the point of bleeding and had her head shaved.

The behaviour centre she was mandated to attend told the woman she had a gender identity disorder and accused her of being transgender in search of "sympathy from others".

"The last thing I want is sympathy, I just want to be myself," she said.


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Why is everyone making a fuss about a small handheld device equipped with a microprocessor that is used especially for storing and organizing personal information (such as addresses and schedules)?

Confused me too :lol:

Gets even more confusing if you google PDA!
 

Yeah it's just plain discrimination.

This is an interesting take on the attack on Islam angle.

"Terms such as homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality, by which modern society classifies human sexuality, are not used in the Quran. Nonetheless, a theme of sexuality, sexual permissibility and sexual prohibition pervades the Quran. It addresses a heterosexual audience, and is largely silent about non-heterosexual sex. It is important to recognise that this does not automatically imply condemnation of the latter."

So it's a choice of social policy enforced by an unelected regime.

https://www.equalrightstrust.org/ertdocumentbank/muhsin.pdf

Anyway the idea we should look to ancient texts for laws is pretty much insane. Read Leviticus ffs. Is allowing menstruating women sit on the sofa an attack on christianity?
 
Why is everyone making a fuss about a small handheld device equipped with a microprocessor that is used especially for storing and organizing personal information (such as addresses and schedules)?

I only get this now. I was worried for your health but it's me that hasn't a clue.
 
It' not only LGBT that should be worried: you can get arrested just for having sex without being married to the man/woman. The bright side is that you can't be stoned to death, that seems to be exclusive for gays or married women who had affairs.
 
It' not only LGBT that should be worried: you can get arrested just for having sex without being married to the man/woman. The bright side is that you can't be stoned to death, that seems to be exclusive for gays or married women who had affairs.
All these stories are rubbish. It was supposedly meant to be the same in Dubai / Abu Dhabi where I lived for a few years (And Oman).

If you're acting like a dick they use one of these laws to come down on you like a tonne of bricks. If you don't cause any trouble or flaunt it in their faces, there is no issue.

There is more sex in Dubai / Abu Dhabi than anywhere I've ever been. Bars full of prostitutes. I think Qatar is a bit stricter but it won't be like everybody is making out.

On the comments about hand holding and things like that....... It's actually far more common to see two men holding hands in these counties than in the West. Male friends will very often walk down the road holding hands, it's a sign of respect and friendship, so yea walk down the street holding hands with no issue at all.
 
Surely the whole issue here is them being awarded the World Cup in the first place?

Football cannot and should not be changing religion/culture/whatever you want to call it on its own, or be responsible for it. Qatar may be perceived as "backward" for its views and laws but they are what they are. Individuals can decide to boycott the event not watch on TV or attempt to make it a failure and we all have the right to do that and express our dissatisfaction that way but the only realistic way for football to help promote change would be for FIFA to have told them "Thank you for your bid but your attitude to X,Y and Z does not chime with our world view and therefore we cannot consider it". Maybe it would make no difference at all, maybe it would be part of an effort to promote change as part of a wider global effort.

However given that the event IS taking place in Qatar and its too late to change, then to coin a phrase, you have to piss with the cock you're given. Not displaying affection in public may go against your views but the advice not to do it is pretty sound given the consequence. Telling people "if you cant respect it dont go" equally is pretty sound advice given the consequences too.
 
If you're acting like a dick they use one of these laws to come down on you like a tonne of bricks. If you don't cause any trouble or flaunt it in their faces, there is no issue.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/24/qatar-security-forces-arrest-abuse-lgbt-people

A transgender Qatari woman said that after security forces arrested her on the street in Doha, Preventive Security officers accused her of “imitating women” because of her gender expression. In the police car, they beat her until her lips and nose were bleeding and kicked her in the stomach, she said. “You gays are immoral, so we will be the same to you,” she said one officer told her.

“I saw many other LGBT people detained there: two Moroccan lesbians, four Filipino gay men, and one Nepalese gay man,” she said. “I was detained for three weeks without charge, and officers repeatedly sexually harassed me. Part of the release requirement was attending sessions with a psychologist who ‘would make me a man again.’”

Another Qatari transgender woman said she was arrested in public by Preventive Security Department forces because she was wearing makeup. “They gave me hand wipes and made me wipe the makeup off my face,” she said. “They used the makeup-stained wipes as evidence against me and took a picture of me with the wipes in my hand. They also shaved my hair.” Security forces made her sign a pledge that she would not wear makeup again as a condition for her release, she said.

A Qatari bisexual woman said: “[Preventive Security officers] beat me until I lost consciousness several times. An officer took me blindfolded by car to another place that felt like a private home from the inside and forced me to watch restrained people getting beaten as an intimidation tactic.”

A Qatari transgender woman, arrested by Preventive Security in public in Doha, said: “They [Preventive Security] are a mafia. They detained me twice, once for two months in a solitary cell underground, and once for six weeks. They beat me every day and shaved my hair. They also made me take off my shirt and took a picture of my breasts. I suffered from depression because of my detention. I still have nightmares to this day, and I’m terrified of being in public.”
 
Surely the whole issue here is them being awarded the World Cup in the first place?

Football cannot and should not be changing religion/culture/whatever you want to call it on its own, or be responsible for it. Qatar may be perceived as "backward" for its views and laws but they are what they are. Individuals can decide to boycott the event not watch on TV or attempt to make it a failure and we all have the right to do that and express our dissatisfaction that way but the only realistic way for football to help promote change would be for FIFA to have told them "Thank you for your bid but your attitude to X,Y and Z does not chime with our world view and therefore we cannot consider it". Maybe it would make no difference at all, maybe it would be part of an effort to promote change as part of a wider global effort.

However given that the event IS taking place in Qatar and its too late to change, then to coin a phrase, you have to piss with the cock you're given. Not displaying affection in public may go against your views but the advice not to do it is pretty sound given the consequence. Telling people "if you cant respect it dont go" equally is pretty sound advice given the consequences too.

And people who go will undoubtedly act accordingly. The idea that people are surprised there is opposition to blatant human rights abuses despite the fact it's too late to change that is the most surprising part of this discussion. Why is there some sort of time frame to voice dissent? Surely dissent has always been a part of change and progress?
 
All these stories are rubbish. It was supposedly meant to be the same in Dubai / Abu Dhabi where I lived for a few years (And Oman).

If you're acting like a dick they use one of these laws to come down on you like a tonne of bricks. If you don't cause any trouble or flaunt it in their faces, there is no issue.

There is more sex in Dubai / Abu Dhabi than anywhere I've ever been. Bars full of prostitutes. I think Qatar is a bit stricter but it won't be like everybody is making out.

On the comments about hand holding and things like that....... It's actually far more common to see two men holding hands in these counties than in the West. Male friends will very often walk down the road holding hands, it's a sign of respect and friendship, so yea walk down the street holding hands with no issue at all.

I posted this in the other thread. Unless you include actually being a woman as 'acting like a dick' then you might not be fully right.

"The women were taken to ambulances on the tarmac, some at gunpoint, the lawsuit stated, locked inside and told to remove their underwear for an examination, the BBC reported at the time."
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/aust...ha-airport-newborn_n_63544d84e4b04cf8f3843c70
 

This is just a random, uncredited article of who knows what veracity. Can you state the source and post links if you're going to quote passages of text.
 
This is just a random, uncredited article of who knows what veracity. Can you state the source and post links if you're going to quote passages of text.

Good point.

Its from HRW I think. I read it last week. I'll find it or I'll put a note on the post.
 
Good point.

Its from HRW I think. I read it last week. I'll find it or I'll put a note on the post.
Thanks, it's a personal bugbear. Unlikely in this case, admittedly, but it could be from the DM for all we know.
 
Thanks, it's a personal bugbear. Unlikely in this case, admittedly, but it could be from the DM for all we know.


Yeah, you're 100% correct.

I didn't notice as I had already read the piece. I've added a link.
 
In light of the bolded part, maybe the choice of words from MPS about Qatar is not that random.

"Qatar has spent more money on gifts and trips for British MPs in the past year than any other country, according to Observer analysis that reveals the Gulf state’s lobbying efforts ahead of next month’s football World Cup.
The Qatari government made gifts to members of parliament worth £251,208 in the 12 months to October 2022, including luxury hotel stays, business-class flights and tickets to horse-racing events."

"During a debate about preparations for the World Cup earlier this month, Alun Cairns, who chairs an informal parliamentary group set up to “foster good relations between the UK and Qatar”, made a speech praising Qatar, including “paying tribute” to its response to the humanitarian crisis in Afghanistan."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...h-250000-worth-of-freebies-ahead-of-world-cup
You're reaching.

For one, the WC has already been awarded to Qatar, secondly there are other geopolitical outside the scope of the WC they would be lobbying for, and lastly what on earth does this have to do with the FS putting out an advisory to British citizens to remain respectful so they don't run afoul of the law?
 
You're reaching.

For one, the WC has already been awarded to Qatar, secondly there are other geopolitical outside the scope of the WC they would be lobbying for, and lastly what on earth does this have to do with the FS putting out an advisory to British citizens to remain respectful so they don't run afoul of the law?

Yeah, what am I reaching for? The idea government statements could be strategic is surely what you expect?

Your second point basically agrees with me in that the GB goeberment might find it more advantageous not to piss off the Qataris than a minority. Again that's scarely a shocking claim? You are familiar with the Tories I take it?

Also why the statement was made is a seperate issue to the wording of it.
 
Yeah, you're 100% correct.

I didn't notice as I had already read the piece. I've added a link.
Thanks.

As an aside, the platonic male friends hold hands anyway so it'll be fine defence is odd. Not sure it'll apply to two obvious foreigners walking along and it's still having to hide anyway.
 
Yeah, what am I reaching for? The idea government statements could be strategic is surely what you expect?

Your second point basically agrees with me in that the GB goeberment might find it more advantageous not to piss off the Qataris than a minority. Again that's scarely a shocking claim? You are familiar with the Tories I take it?

Also why the statement was made is a seperate issue to the wording of it.
Lobbying is standard in politics and, no, it doesn't what political party you're in. It's not some smoking gun. They were awarded the WC in 2010. To assume or insinuate the lobbying in the last year was due to the WC is baseless.

And again what on earth does this have to do with the statement made by the foreign secretary? You're just throwing shit on the wall.
 
Lobbying is standard in politics and, no, it doesn't what political party you're in. It's not some smoking gun. They were awarded the WC in 2010. To assume or insinuate the lobbying in the last year was due to the WC is baseless.

And again what on earth does this have to do with the statement made by the foreign secretary? You're just throwing shit on the wall.

I didn't refer to any particular lobbying, you pulled that from the air. So the fact lobbying exist means they might choose their words.
That's basically my point which you seem to be both agreeing with and disagreeing with simultaneously.

It's in response to the assertion the Minister just happened up the words. Again, it's not throwing shit as much as answering a post.

To disagree with my point basically you think governments have no agenda and just speak honestly and not tactically, because that's the only thing I am asserting. You'd know that if you read back from the post you decided was reaching.
 
Thanks.

As an aside, the platonic male friends hold hands anyway so it'll be fine defence is odd. Not sure it'll apply to two obvious foreigners walking along and it's still having to hide anyway.

Platonic male hand holding needs it's own thread, regardless of Qatar.
 
And people who go will undoubtedly act accordingly. The idea that people are surprised there is opposition to blatant human rights abuses despite the fact it's too late to change that is the most surprising part of this discussion. Why is there some sort of time frame to voice dissent? Surely dissent has always been a part of change and progress?

Of course voice dissent. I think there has been widespread condemnation going on since day one.. I dont believe the World Cup should be staged there at all and would expect continued objections to be made up to and during the tournament. That said I dont think it is a bad scheme for the practical advice to be given for those going to be respectful of how to behave, not because they believe its how they should behave but because of the consequences if they dont.

I do think there are two different issues at play here when it comes to voicing dissent though.

There is dissent at the regime that exists in the first place but I think in football terms there should be dissent voiced about them being awarded the competition and the mechanism that enabled that to happen. I would also add that such dissent could be voiced in pure footballing terms for the way it has right royally fecked up the season.
 
And people who go will undoubtedly act accordingly. The idea that people are surprised there is opposition to blatant human rights abuses despite the fact it's too late to change that is the most surprising part of this discussion. Why is there some sort of time frame to voice dissent? Surely dissent has always been a part of change and progress?
That's exactly the part that puzzles me too. I don't think anyone's under the illusion that discussing this topic on a football forum is going to lead to change, or that what we do or don't do about the world cup will instantly change attitudes there and elsewhere, but at the same time I think some underestimate the soft power these massive prestige sporting events like the world cup or the olympics can have.

I'm sure many people here have no bad intentions with their "don't like it, don't go", "how hard can it be to not kiss in public, or have separate hotel beds for a few weeks" or "their country their rules, your actions can't and shouldn't change other people' societies" but it misses the point. On the other hand I reckon some use these arguments knowingly or unknowingly as a way of hiding their true sentiment, that these human rights (LGBT specifically) are simply not a priority for them as it affects a fairly small percentage of society.

There have been a few who've argued people are being naive about even trying to change attitudes that are so engrained in some cultures, even going so far as saying try advocating for minority rights in the west 100 years ago and see where that would have gotten you. But how do people think attitudes changed back then? In some ways that also ignores how attitudes towards gay people have gone back and forth throughout history, even in muslim countries. Egypt for instance, probably one of the oldest societies if you want to argue this societal age/development timeline angle, had a fairly liberal attitude towards gay people in the 19th century until British occupation. So did Turkey under Ottoman rule, and they're still a fairly ok place for LGBT people although reportedly that's deteriorating.

People in the west fought hard against societal disdain, which isn't something that tiny minorities can easily do in autocratic/authoritarian countries. It took a while for that spark of change, but I believe some people lack the perspective regarding just how quickly things can change too. You don't have to go back 50 or a 100 years to see the changes in attitude in the West. Go back 5 or 10 years and you'll notice there's been a massive change in attitude in the general population even in such a short span of time. Islamophobia certainly exists and may play a part in some of the criticism, but I think that ignores the fact that rejection of homophobia and the topic thereof has gained massive traction in the past decade among Western countries and even in football, which is partially why the outrage is bigger than it would have been a few years ago.

So I really don't understand why people are arguing against criticism (if their general attitude is pro human rights), when that pushback is just as meaningless as me not going to the world cup for instance. Now that the world cup is undoubtedly happening in Qatar, it's unlikely that attitudes will change dramatically overnight, or at all. But there don't even have to be huge protest or activist demonstrations at the tournament for some form of effect. Even just showing that acceptance of minorities (in football of all places) is ok and normal can have a small but lasting effect, that may well sloowly evolve into incrementally more tolerance. Maybe it will not, but voicing your criticism of discrimination and showing support for the people affected surely cannot hurt, so why the pushback if that is something you'd generally agree with in a different context?
 
Yeah I hope they are foolish enough to go there and stand up to the government. PDA is feckin disgusting, regardless of whether it’s a straight or LGBTQ+ couple doing it.

I was in Tokyo pre-covid queueing up for one of my favourite ramen places and this couple (obviously tourists) a few spots ahead started sucking each others’ faces off and it completely ruined my appetite and my day.

Disgusting :lol:
 
That's exactly the part that puzzles me too. I don't think anyone's under the illusion that discussing this topic on a football forum is going to lead to change, or that what we do or don't do about the world cup will instantly change attitudes there and elsewhere, but at the same time I think some underestimate the soft power these massive prestige sporting events like the world cup or the olympics can have.

I'm sure many people here have no bad intentions with their "don't like it, don't go", "how hard can it be to not kiss in public, or have separate hotel beds for a few weeks" or "their country their rules, your actions can't and shouldn't change other people' societies" but it misses the point. On the other hand I reckon some use these arguments knowingly or unknowingly as a way of hiding their true sentiment, that these human rights (LGBT specifically) are simply not a priority for them as it affects a fairly small percentage of society.

There have been a few who've argued people are being naive about even trying to change attitudes that are so engrained in some cultures, even going so far as saying try advocating for minority rights in the west 100 years ago and see where that would have gotten you. But how do people think attitudes changed back then? In some ways that also ignores how attitudes towards gay people have gone back and forth throughout history, even in muslim countries. Egypt for instance, probably one of the oldest societies if you want to argue this societal age/development timeline angle, had a fairly liberal attitude towards gay people in the 19th century until British occupation. So did Turkey under Ottoman rule, and they're still a fairly ok place for LGBT people although reportedly that's deteriorating.

People in the west fought hard against societal disdain, which isn't something that tiny minorities can easily do in autocratic/authoritarian countries. It took a while for that spark of change, but I believe some people lack the perspective regarding just how quickly things can change too. You don't have to go back 50 or a 100 years to see the changes in attitude in the West. Go back 5 or 10 years and you'll notice there's been a massive change in attitude in the general population even in such a short span of time. Islamophobia certainly exists and may play a part in some of the criticism, but I think that ignores the fact that rejection of homophobia and the topic thereof has gained massive traction in the past decade among Western countries and even in football, which is partially why the outrage is bigger than it would have been a few years ago.

So I really don't understand why people are arguing against criticism (if their general attitude is pro human rights), when that pushback is just as meaningless as me not going to the world cup for instance. Now that the world cup is undoubtedly happening in Qatar, it's unlikely that attitudes will change dramatically overnight, or at all. But there don't even have to be huge protest or activist demonstrations at the tournament for some form of effect. Even just showing that acceptance of minorities (in football of all places) is ok and normal can have a small but lasting effect, that may well sloowly evolve into incrementally more tolerance. Maybe it will not, but voicing your criticism of discrimination and showing support for the people affected surely cannot hurt, so why the pushback if that is something you'd generally agree with in a different context?

I fully agree; some great points.
 
Of course voice dissent. I think there has been widespread condemnation going on since day one.. I dont believe the World Cup should be staged there at all and would expect continued objections to be made up to and during the tournament. That said I dont think it is a bad scheme for the practical advice to be given for those going to be respectful of how to behave, not because they believe its how they should behave but because of the consequences if they dont.

I do think there are two different issues at play here when it comes to voicing dissent though.

There is dissent at the regime that exists in the first place but I think in football terms there should be dissent voiced about them being awarded the competition and the mechanism that enabled that to happen. I would also add that such dissent could be voiced in pure footballing terms for the way it has right royally fecked up the season.

No, it should definitely be given at all tournaments where cultures converge. You should try do it without causing further offence to your own citizens. And if you do cause offence by legit mistake, row back.

I'm also very annoyed that it's fecked up the season. And because of my big mouth I now have to boycott it and have no football.
 
Platonic male hand holding needs it's own thread, regardless of Qatar.
Young women do it here and it's a tad odd. I did very briefly wonder at first if the island had an unusually high concentration of out lesbians, but was soon informed that wasn't the case. It's not exactly LGBT friendly here either.
 
Young women do it here and it's a tad odd. I did very briefly wonder at first if the island had an unusually high concentration of out lesbians, but was soon informed that wasn't the case. It's not exactly LGBT friendly here either.

This is the first young generation in Ireland who have zero issues with homosexuality and an environment that has no laws or permitted taboos against it. I think the calls of western arrogance in this thread couldn't be further from the truth. I think to campaign for and witness that extension of rights to your fellow citizens and then put your feet up would be much worse and terribly parochial.

Ideally we're all on a path of progress and towards universal freedom, albeit at different speeds. In my first year of Uni the cops and a priest came into the concourse and took a condom machine off the wall with a crowbar. I though it was the Drama Society at first. 1991 BTW.
 
No one else think some of the arguments are a bit weird?

This is football right? A sport played for many a year in countries like ours and yet players are scared to "come out"

We have had world cups and euros and CL etc here for years and have progressed to wearing rainbow laces (relatively recently) whilst no player (pretty much) wants to come out as LGBTQ

Yet there are folk arguing that "they need to get with the times or shouldn't be hosting" etc

What times have WE got with?

Isnt it a more worrying thing for folk that we espouse rights and freedoms for other nations who have no "history of football" yet what freedoms and rights have we managed to get for the players with all our history and experience?

We haven't even got to grips with racism which has had laws since the 70's. But aye they need to get with the times
 
No one else think some of the arguments are a bit weird?

This is football right? A sport played for many a year in countries like ours and yet players are scared to "come out"

We have had world cups and euros and CL etc here for years and have progressed to wearing rainbow laces (relatively recently) whilst no player (pretty much) wants to come out as LGBTQ

Yet there are folk arguing that "they need to get with the times or shouldn't be hosting" etc

What times have WE got with?

Isnt it a more worrying thing for folk that we espouse rights and freedoms for other nations who have no "history of football" yet what freedoms and rights have we managed to get for the players with all our history and experience?

We haven't even got to grips with racism which has had laws since the 70's. But aye they need to get with the times

We all need to get grips with all discrimination everywhere. It's a bizarre assumption based on nothing to think people in this thread are fine with anything. All that is clear is they they are not happy about the human rights situation on Qatar. All the other stuff is irrelevant to someone being annoyed at obvious discrimination. The reality is in my experience is the opposite and the people who are for equality in Qatar are most likely the same people who want inclusivity everywhere. People's objection to this is really weird.

Like I said earlier, we in Ireland are very new to this level of inclusivity, but that has nothing to do with anyones opinion on Qatar.

Why do you think that people wanting equality in Qatar would think everywhere else is fine? It's totally absurd reasoning.
 
No one else think some of the arguments are a bit weird?

This is football right? A sport played for many a year in countries like ours and yet players are scared to "come out"

We have had world cups and euros and CL etc here for years and have progressed to wearing rainbow laces (relatively recently) whilst no player (pretty much) wants to come out as LGBTQ

Yet there are folk arguing that "they need to get with the times or shouldn't be hosting" etc

What times have WE got with?

Isnt it a more worrying thing for folk that we espouse rights and freedoms for other nations who have no "history of football" yet what freedoms and rights have we managed to get for the players with all our history and experience?

We haven't even got to grips with racism which has had laws since the 70's. But aye they need to get with the times
I see what you're saying, and "they need to get with the times" is certainly the wrong approach because it implies a sense of superiority when we still have so much work to do in our home countries wherever we're from.

But I think you're conflating several issues. We can accept that in most western countries the progress in terms of homophobia and racism is fairly recent, or at least the pace of that change accelerating is quite recent. And even then there are frequent set backs. However those setbacks often lead to huge backlash as well. For instance, with the recent, constant talk over the US supreme court potentially rolling back legislation that's seen as progressive (abortion rights, LGBT rights), there's outrage in the US and some abroad. When the US was protesting for Black Lives Matter, and against police brutality in the aftermath of George Floyd's murder, other countries joined in protest even though many of those don't necessarily have a notable problem with police brutality. When some regions in Poland proposed LGBT free zones, there was outrage and criticism on a European scale. It isn't hypocrisy to criticise things that we'd also criticise at home.
When China hosted the Olympics there were also calls to boycott due to various human rights concerns, eg the Uyghur camps, the heavy handed response to Hong Kong protests among other issues. As these things go, usually nothing changes, but it still deserves criticism whether it's your country or another. If anything maybe in the future we'll look back at many national or international matters and conclude we did too little.

This isn't just about Qatari society being homophobic, it's about it being codified in law as illegal. Another matter is foreign workers often having (had?) their passports confiscated by employers in Qatar, or needing exit visas until recently, effectively taking away their agency as individuals. These are aspects that deserve scrutiny.

The West certaintly hasn't reached the peak of tolerance, and nobody would argue that. But whatever progress has been made certainly wasn't through people being quiet. And hopefully people won't be quiet about Qatar either, because hosting a global event like the world cup shines a spotlight on the country and what better time than that to put some pressure on their government to work on those things, even just for the sake of appearances.
 
Its so fecked up, you have Qatar with their ways on one side and sanctimonious shit with fake support for all those groups on other. Kinda funny, they wont do shit about it but if you have a law colliding with beer company Budweiser as sponsor, they all pile on and twist your arm to pass a bill to lift beer embargo in stadiums during a WC. Seems its a non issue if your country that just virtue signal while being sellout.
 
We all need to get grips with all discrimination everywhere. It's a bizarre assumption based on nothing to think people in this thread are fine with anything. All that is clear is they they are not happy about the human rights situation on Qatar. All the other stuff is irrelevant to someone being annoyed at obvious discrimination. The reality is in my experience is the opposite and the people who are for equality in Qatar are most likely the same people who want inclusivity everywhere. People's objection to this is really weird.

Like I said earlier, we in Ireland are very new to this level of inclusivity, but that has nothing to do with anyones opinion on Qatar.

Why do you think that people wanting equality in Qatar would think everywhere else is fine? It's totally absurd reasoning.

Think you may have missed what I was trying to say.
 
A few people are having howlers in this thread. Funny to watch. But also enlightening to see how many stupid people we still have floating around with no other signs that they are ignorant until a topic like this comes up and they casually defend this whole situation

I'd actually have no problem with the message if, instead of hiding intolerence behind 'culture', he has just said "try to work around their intolerences in this country, because you will be beyond our countries help if you land yourself in trouble". Maybe even apologise on behalf of the corrupt people that took the oil money for their own benefit to put the world cup in an intolerant location.
 
Anyway the idea we should look to ancient texts for laws is pretty much insane. Read Leviticus ffs. Is allowing menstruating women sit on the sofa an attack on christianity?

No idea mate, but it definitely seems like an attack on the sofa.
 
Mostly nothing. A slap in the wrist and sent back home with a warning.

Unless you go skinny dipping and making love in the middle of the street

They're not gonna bother as long as you play along and dont force their hand doing stuff in public.

As in most Religious themed country. The law says otherwise but the application on the field is quite lenient

Sounds about right for foreigners

Although there is often a big difference between how locals and visitors are treated with foreigners given a lot more freedom
 
Yes they have.

How about you find me an article of that statement actually happening within the last 30 years ?
It is upto 7 years imprisonment and Muslims can be given the death penalty, the very fact that people can be killed there purely because of their sexuality means they should not be respected. This regime has s forced upon people and had never been voted on by its citizens, of course people shouldn’t engage in sexual activities in public regardless of persuasion. I think the issue is their backward ideology.