Gaming Football Manager 2009
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Thank you.
Here is a graph depicting Spain's position in the world rankings. Try and guess when I took over as manager
Funniest thing was Casillas through a major hissy fit and resigned his position as captain. He must have been truly pissed when Spain rehired me
Football Manager - You're doing it wrong
For anyone just starting the game, and if you want a decent left wing cover, 22 years of age and will cost only around 3/4 million,,
Juan Angel Albin..from Getafe, Uruguayan..
Juan Angel Albin..from Getafe, Uruguayan..
2019!? I get bored the minute the transfer window closes.
Well, here's an update to my new United game (I won't make it into a regular thing, but I will take the opportunity to come here and brag/whine, and to post my transfers ).
Last season started and ended unbelievably bad, but I'm confident. My first team is absolutely top class. Of course, last season I hardly ever got to use that first team, so who knows.. I'm also going to go over my tactics again, maybe even revert back to my "original" Roma tactics. I've modified them quite a bit this game already, and maybe not for the better..
). Last season started and ended unbelievably bad, but I'm confident. My first team is absolutely top class. Of course, last season I hardly ever got to use that first team, so who knows.. I'm also going to go over my tactics again, maybe even revert back to my "original" Roma tactics. I've modified them quite a bit this game already, and maybe not for the better..
fecking hell, you did well selling Berbatov for that much! I always keep Hargo over Carrick as well.
I was shocked. He hasn't even been very good, though he's been less bad than he usually is for me on FM09. Granted, it was £40 million over 24 months, but that's still £40 million. Barcelona first offered £30 million for him (and that was shocking enough), but he rejected the contract. Then I kept offering him for £40 million, and Arsenal went for it.
As for Hargreaves.. well, I sort of do the same. But the way I'm playing now, Carrick might be a better backup than Hargreaves. I play on using Aguero as an attacking midfielder and Veloso as a defensive. Provided he doesn't get injured, that is. I tried easing him back into it after he had been injured for 8 months, and though I played him whenever he wasn't completely knackered, he complained. Portuguese...
I can't comprehend how Berbatov could go for 40m, it doesn't make any sense.
Phew... obviously, finishing 4th ( ) I have to qualify for the CL. I have to be honest, when they took the lead in the first game at Old Trafford, I was getting a very bad feeling. 4 Goals by Vagner Love, 1 by Ronaldo and 1 by Marquinhos later, and all was well.
) I have to qualify for the CL. I have to be honest, when they took the lead in the first game at Old Trafford, I was getting a very bad feeling. 4 Goals by Vagner Love, 1 by Ronaldo and 1 by Marquinhos later, and all was well.I am beginning to hate this game.
I'm currently starting a new game with Fiorentina, feck all transfer budgets and a horrible youth academy and training/scouting staff, but they've got some really good up and coming players (Frey, Montolivo, Kuzmanovic) so it's a good challenge I reckon. I'm 3 games in and I've won all 3, including an away win against Juventus! I'll post my transfers and all that jazz at some point.
Oh, and I've been drawn in a fecking horrible CL group with Arsenal, Bayern and Celtic, it'll be seriously difficult to progress. I've just drawn against Arsenal at home.
So I'm FC Eindhoven in the Dutch 2nd division. I've been on holiday for most of the season which turned out to be a terrible decision because to get promoted, you must win stages of the league. The league is broken up into 6 or more stages, and whoever is top at the end of each stage gets into the playoffs. Only the top team at the end of all stages is promoted automatically and crowned champions. So being on holiday I've ended up in 10th, which isn't bad considering I was tipped for relegation and I've been playing 3-5-2 which is something I've never got to work properly in any CM/fM. Hoping I get lucky in the summer with either a better job offer or some cash.
I also beat Man United 3-2
My Dortmund game keeps crashing when i try to start a game, ugh.
Can anyone recommend a good, and very cheap (800k) striker (preferably a target man) who could do a good job for a club like Dortmund? Im pretty much stuck.
Can anyone recommend a good, and very cheap (800k) striker (preferably a target man) who could do a good job for a club like Dortmund? Im pretty much stuck.
AFC Wimbledon are starting to get on my tits big time. Haven't been given any money for 3 years! feckers
Which year are you in ?
I need a dutch striker, for virtually nothing.
Jan Vengor Of Hesselink? (sp)
He's probably shit, but he's the only cheapish dutch striker i can think of.
I don't have an answer since i've only just started playing FM 2009..
however curious
why'd you specify that you need someone "Dutch?"
One thing I've never been sure about, can a players POTENTIAL ability increase over time? I'm just curious as in my Man Utd game Carlos Vela had a PA and CA of 197 by the time he was 22, yet in my new game, after curiously checking, his PA is only 177 at the age of 19.
I don't have an answer since i've only just started playing FM 2009..
however curious
why'd you specify that you need someone "Dutch?"
I'd take a guess and say he needs home grown players perhaps. Or maybe it's because of the fact that players from the same country settle in quickly as they know the language and such.
ahh, fair enough, makes sense
another question, in the previous post you posted something regarding a players potential ability or current ability..and i've read about it in other posts too..
Where does it say what a player's potential ability or current ability is?! :S
or do i have to do something like add up all his attributes or something ?:S
Heh, you never actually can see it in the game, though the way you're supposed to view it is on the team reports.
Basically ability goes from 1 star to 7 stars. Ability ranges from 0 - 200.
As far as I know:
7 star rated players would be 180 - 200 (Ronaldo, Messi, Aguero, Gerrard etc)
5/6 star would be 160 - 180 (Carrick, Anderson, Vidic)
I think that's how it works anyway, I'm not sure of the exact numbers. The problem is though that unless the coach you're getting the reports off has a high Judging Player potential + ability stat then it can be inaccurate.
Potential ability is obviously something that a player can achieve, but in order for the player to achieve it they need to be trained right and you must have good coaches and that, and generally if a player has a lot of potential you should start playing him in your first team a bit at 18/19 as I've found match experience is far and away the best way to get their stats up.
Anyway, back to the original question (feck sake, veered off a bit), you can use an external program called Genie scout to see abilities, but it's almost considered cheating, I used to use it a bit but I refrain from doing so now, it's much more satisfying to find players yourself!
I'm financially crippling Birmingham right now...started off as a no mark and waited til someone was interested, managed to get the Wycombe job to start with...they were in relegation danger, but managed to keep them up, only for them to get annoyed that I failed to meet their target of play-offs
Left them at the end of the season, had to wait til November-ish to get the next job, Norwich, was a great job to get, they were relegated and were midtable in the division, but with Watford were the best two sides in the division. Took them to top thanks to a few decent loan signings.
Stuck with them for the next season, signed a few decent players for little money, some guy called Pablo Ruiz and Carl Valeri were great signings, had a great season, they were media predicted for 18th, got them upto automatic promotion places in about February, then the wheels fell off dramatically...and managed to just about hold onto a play-off spot. Lost in the play-offs, after winning 2-0 away to Sunderland, they beat me 3-1 at my place.
It annoyed me when they gave me 7k for the next season's budget, plus we were right at the wage limit, so no real room to move.
So left them, and then got the Birmingham job before Christmas...and I'm really struggling, key players are bitching about no opportunity for trophies and want to leave, and with 6 games to go, we are a handful of points outside the play-offs, hoepfully can keep the run we are on going and sneak in, and with the momentum we might sneak up into Premier League
Left them at the end of the season, had to wait til November-ish to get the next job, Norwich, was a great job to get, they were relegated and were midtable in the division, but with Watford were the best two sides in the division. Took them to top thanks to a few decent loan signings.
Stuck with them for the next season, signed a few decent players for little money, some guy called Pablo Ruiz and Carl Valeri were great signings, had a great season, they were media predicted for 18th, got them upto automatic promotion places in about February, then the wheels fell off dramatically...and managed to just about hold onto a play-off spot. Lost in the play-offs, after winning 2-0 away to Sunderland, they beat me 3-1 at my place.
It annoyed me when they gave me 7k for the next season's budget, plus we were right at the wage limit, so no real room to move.
So left them, and then got the Birmingham job before Christmas...and I'm really struggling, key players are bitching about no opportunity for trophies and want to leave, and with 6 games to go, we are a handful of points outside the play-offs, hoepfully can keep the run we are on going and sneak in, and with the momentum we might sneak up into Premier League
Really
I always thought it was based on the strength of your team as well, so if you do a scout report and it says 4 stars, it generally means it is as good as what you already have, 5 better, 3 worse.
Or that's how it has appeared to me
ahhh fair enough! Thanks for that!
Makes a bit of sense now that! Heard about Genie scout..will probably keep myself away from that..
Having said that, FM 2009 definitely seems more difficult than 08 etc..cause so far I've played one season, started off with United, did really really badly and got sacked , which is really weird as with FM 08, I had played a good 7/8 seasons and was unbeatable and had awesome talents and coaching staff, and was hardly spending money..
in 09, just have no idea what I'm doing wrong.. started again, with the latest database (with all the latest transfers, and the 9.3 patch), and in the beginning of the season.. lost 1-0 to Chelsea in the community shield, and first game of the season 2-1 away to Everton...
Don't have a good feeling about this season!
Any tips? I've already gotten all the training schedules done, gotten 3/4 new coaches etc including that Franco Baldini fellow
playing a plain simple 4-4-2 at home, and 4-4-1-1 for away games....
first choiceline up is as follows
ST = Bebatov/Owen
Withdrawn striker = Rooney
LW = Nani
CM= Carrick/Scholes
CM = Fletcher/Hargo
RW = Valencia
RB = Brown
CB = Vida
CB = Rio
LB = Evra
Gk = VDS
no transfers yet besides bought in a young left winger called Juan Albin from Getafe..
am really struggling..
any suggestions/ tips, any help at all from anyone? I know it's almost impossible for ppl to give me tips without knowing more specifics as to how i'm losing etc, but just anything?
I think that's only on team reports, on individual reports it shows their true ability I think.
Zain, you're probably just getting your tactics wrong to be honest mate, what formation are you employing, have you set individual mentalities, passing, closing down etc for all your players?
Well, I still really need a striker. Doesn't have to be Dutch sorry I just meant for the Dutch league. Has to be free. I was 6k over my wage budget because they gave me a ridiculously low one. Then, it was reduced even further so now I'm 12k over my wage budget!! This season I have sold my entire first team squad and brought in shit loads of free players. Just need strikers.
I'd just like to point out that even as Assistant Manager or a Scout with 20/20 Judging Ability/Judging Potential will get it wrong from time to time. And as far as I can tell, they can get it very wrong. Usually if they say a player is going to be very good, he'll at least be good, but from time to time there have been players that have been praised and yet never amounted to anything. On the flipside, perfect scouts and assistants can tell you that someone is never going to get any better, or is only going to reach a certain level, and yet they end up as absolute top players.
So they aren't perfect, and that's deliberate game design.
That said, it's not correct that either the individual reports or the team reports have anything directly to do with their ability or potential ability. It's definitely connected to what you already have and what the game thinks you should expect to have considering the level of your club. That's apparent, since if you're at a very small club you won't only have players with 1 and 2 stars. If a player is way above your general level, he'll have 6 or 7 stars. Like if you're a Conference club and you manage to sign or loan a League 2 player.
Almost considered cheating?
But yeah, I've used it as well at times in the past. What I found was that it made the games so much less satisfying. I've gone on about it in the past, I know, but it's just a great feeling (as far as FM goes, anyway) to find and nurture the next best player in the world all on your own (and with the help of a scout). The fact that the scouts can get it wrong only adds to it.
So they aren't perfect, and that's deliberate game design.
That said, it's not correct that either the individual reports or the team reports have anything directly to do with their ability or potential ability. It's definitely connected to what you already have and what the game thinks you should expect to have considering the level of your club. That's apparent, since if you're at a very small club you won't only have players with 1 and 2 stars. If a player is way above your general level, he'll have 6 or 7 stars. Like if you're a Conference club and you manage to sign or loan a League 2 player.
Almost considered cheating?
But yeah, I've used it as well at times in the past. What I found was that it made the games so much less satisfying. I've gone on about it in the past, I know, but it's just a great feeling (as far as FM goes, anyway) to find and nurture the next best player in the world all on your own (and with the help of a scout). The fact that the scouts can get it wrong only adds to it.
I genuinely don't know what I'm doing wrong..
I spent so much time on individual assignments and tactics..
having the likes of Fletcher with more defensive duties, less forward runs etc, while giving Carrick/Scholes more creative freedom..
Used my target man like I should, and ROoney to use his pace and run with the ball and have balls played ahead of him to run onto etc etc..
I went into severe detail as I read on at least 3-4 tactical guides regarding opposition instructions, mentalities, team mentalities, ..
really annoying..hope I start getting things right.
champs league semi with inter, play liverpool or bayern in the semi (they haven't played yet for some reason) united and chelsea in the other semi, had to beat arse and barca in knockouts, arse on penalties and a 90th minute wonder goal against barca, top of league by 2 points with no one near me or juve, got bought in november by a super rich brazilian who just gives me money and leaves me to do whatever i want, only couldn't really buy anyone for europe in jan, so only got owen for europe, had injury problems at the time so bought ribery and cahill aswell as some unbelievable kids
starting year, august '08
it is.
when i play as cheltenham town, a play like Lennon would be regarded as a "definite purchase" by my scouts. If i scouted Lennon playing as United, he would be 2 stars, or 3 max.
I also had a question on PA - going by GenieScout naturally, i often notice players with a high PA, but when i look at their statcard and tick "potential attributes" their so-called "CA" will rarely go up to the maxxed out PA, if that makes sense.
EG i look at player x with a PA of 190 and CA of 120, i click "show potential attributes" and his CA goes to maybe 175 and PA remains 190....i dont quite get whats going on there. I guess as a player develops without the right training, or gets injured etc, their ability to fulfil their potential goes down? Is there a way of figuring this whole thing out?
I know that you get players who peak and then decline again in older ages, but their PA remains at its peak level - but just what steps do you need to take to ensure a developing player can fulfil their potential? Obviously good training must be the main factor, but how much do factors like staying injury free, match practice, tutoring etc affect it?
Have you read the Tactical Theorems and Frameworks guides? I had the same problems as you for a while, and then I found that. Just download the entire PDF (the other files under there, like the spreadsheet, are useful too). It looks like a lot, but it's not really as hard as it looks. Just decide on what you want to do (which formation, etc), and go from there. What I did was take a "blank" formation, the default 4-4-2 or something, and gradually changed it as I read the PDF.
You won't get everything on the first read, so if you're serious about trying to fashion your own tactic (as it seems you are), it's worth reading several times over. I just did the same "start from scratch" thing for my United-game, though it didn't take very long for me since I just needed a refresher.
If you want, I can upload the 4 tactics I just made (Standard, Attacking, Defensive and Ultra Defensive). They're 'basic' in the sense that you can very well benefit from tweaking individual player instructions a bit depending on who the specific player is (Park vs Ronaldo wouldn't necessarily have the same instructions to the letter).
Dont go switching tactics around too too much, or your team wont be able to gather than much momentum and learn to play to those tactics easily. I normally stick with one basic formation all the time, but occassionally tweak roles (eg a midfielder to a defensive midfielder) and more importantly mentalities, according to the match. I rarely field a specific player or position just to counter an opposition threat unless its a big, big threat.
Try to stick with one main system though, let your players grow used to it and gather some momentum.
Try to stick with one main system though, let your players grow used to it and gather some momentum.
Ahh, thanks for the advice..will check out the PDFs right now...actually, though might ask you later on to upload those tactics if I'm still not doing alright!
Hopefully can start getting my team sorted..I'm in this for the long haul, thus don't mind going into as much detail as possible!
hehe, now that I clicked on that link...
ype...already read that a day ago ..
which is what's annoying me...maybe I need to be a bit more patient etc..
ype...already read that a day ago ..
which is what's annoying me...maybe I need to be a bit more patient etc..
I agree with this. That's actually why I have the 4 basic tactics. With United, I usually use the attacking one. Against top teams I'll use the standard one, or even the attacking one if I'm at home and feeling confident. The defensive and ultra defensive, in the case or United, are only used towards the end of games when I want to maintain the lead. With worse clubs, the defensive might be worth using more often (like if you're Wigan playing United).
Its definitely worth spending a few hours at the start of your game getting everything perfect, if you plan on playing it a lot. Look at your backroom staff and training schedules too - they can have a big impact on your long term success and player development. It can be annoying putting every single player in your squad onto a schedule, but obviously worth it.
Also take a look at your affiliated clubs. Call me heartless, but i normally cancel all the useless ones with random non-league clubs that involve me paying them and getting no real benefit from it. Get your board to look for feeder clubs and - from my experience - its worth securing any "financial affiliates" you can. By that, i mean getting some random Japanese/American clubs affiliated with the info about "this link means Man Utd will be a major presence in Japan, and cause an increase in merchandising sales/financial benefits." or similar.
Basically, the overall structure of the team is the most important thing, even if it means sacrificing the odd players skills, for instance if a DM has high dribbling they still should not make forward runs.
Speaking of DMs, in my opnion, you always, always need one. I've experimented with lots of tactics and I've had to put a DM in every one almost in order to concede less goals. A MC who never makes forward runs and play defensively is good (ala Fletcher) but I highly recommend a pure DM (ala Hargreaves).
Also, you need to make sure that your 2 strikers, or your striker and AM or whatever combo you have, have the right balance between them. Generally one should always be in a more reserved role than the other, and play further back, basically acting as the connection between the midfield and the frontline, and be able to hold up the ball.
The best thing the guide does is split players into 3 groups, defensive, support and attack. DCs will always be defensive, that is never make forward runs, cross rarely, no long shots, no run with ball etc. In my opinion, you always need one midfield who plays defensive (the DM) and one who plays as support (a CM). A support player is, as you probly guessed a mixture of attack and defense, they make a few forward runs but they're not too creative and they'll still track back and defend. You should always have one of your strikers as support (the 'connector'). Your other striker should then always be attack (lots of forward runs, through balls, creativity etc).
On the wing is where things vary, if you want to play atacking, set your wingers and full backs to attack minded, if you want to play standard/conservative, set full backs to support, and if you want to play really defensive, set full backs to defensive (for overboard defense you could set wingers to support, but your attack would be numbed)
Anyway, that's just the jist of what I learned, there's feckloads in the pdf, it took me a long, long time to read.