Gaming Football Manager 2009

My all conquering Fiorentina team 2011-12. I won the league in my first season on the last day through a largely negative formation, grinding out 1-0s. Also won the CL the next season, the Liverpool way. Squeezing through on away goals twice and penalties in the final but wasn't good enough to win the league. Revamped the squad and now the League's almost in the bag. Final of Italian cup, QF in the CL still to come. :cool:
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Walrus said:
surely stat edited or something. ive played dozens of FM games and even when ive used Genie Scout ive never found anything like them.
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niMic said:
I can believe some of them, but I'm having a hard time with the lat one, Mattia Perreti. I've played a lot, and while I've seen regens as good as or better than him, not at 17. Are you using another patch than 9.0.3? In the earlier patches, the regens would regularly be absolutely top class from the start.

Also, don't be blinded by the high stats. That guy is a very good player, no doubt about it, but some stats pull him down a bit for his positions. His pace, off the ball, passing, balance, decisions, etc. Also, 20 jumping is pointless with only 11 heading. Still, very good find. I'm just finding it hard to believe he's so good at so young.

I also noticed that he hasn't played very well, though that could be that you haven't found the proper way to use him yet. Where are you using him? I'm not sure I'd use him as a striker. He looks more like a proper attacking midfielder to me.
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I swear that is no edit. I did use the genie scout thing, but no edit. I don't enjoy the game when i edit which is what i usually do and weirdly this is the first game i haven't done it and i find those beauties.

Perreti doesn't really play well for his abilities (or what it looks like he can do), when he plays he drifts in and out and his goals were mostly all lucky tap ins. I still have high hopes for his future though.
 
Walrus said:
I signed Huntelaar to be my target man, sold Tevez and Berba. Huntelaar did bloody well for me, then after 4-5 years when he reached 30, i sold him onto madrid for twice what i paid (by that time, Bojan was ready to become my first choice striker).

Generally though, i play a 4-2-3-1 with the front 4 all scoring plenty of goals between them. Saivet, Vela, Marquinhos, Bojan, Rooney and Ronaldo rotate around these 4 positions almost at will, scoring/assisting very similar amounts. ill get a screenshot from this season when i can.
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Did Saivet just develop naturally? I just bought him in the January transfer window for 6.25 million.

Also, does any know whether or not you can stop players from teaching younger players? I've told one of my players to teach Santon, and I've noticed his (Santon's) determination has dropped - to the same level of Mesto's (the player who's teaching him)...

Do they also learn their poorer traits as well as their good ones?
 
Walrus said:
surely stat edited or something. ive played dozens of FM games and even when ive used Genie Scout ive never found anything like them.
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On my 03/04 Nurnberg/Rostock game I found a player who was already the best player of his position - and arguably the best in the game, all at the ripe old age of 15.

I've had him for a few seasons now, but his stats are the exact same as they were when I signed him.

I now present to you my favourite all-time player of CM, Vinicius Camargo:

Stats, and like I said they were exactly the same when he signed at 15/16 years of age:



His history: (best 300k anyone's ever likely to spend on CM/FM's)

 
Started a game with city because United were just too easy. So much fun to completely re-build a team, only players I'd kept on the first team were Robinho and Richards by the start of the season. Will post my team sometime..
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Did Saivet just develop naturally? I just bought him in the January transfer window for 6.25 million.

Also, does any know whether or not you can stop players from teaching younger players? I've told one of my players to teach Santon, and I've noticed his (Santon's) determination has dropped - to the same level of Mesto's (the player who's teaching him)...

Do they also learn their poorer traits as well as their good ones?
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im not sure about the teaching thing - ive never noticed any big changes, i had thought that the teaching was mostly about preferred moves, not actual stats.


as for Saivet, he was pretty quiet for the first few years after i signed him. I left him in the reserves initially and groomed him in with some cup games etc, had him get tutored by Ronaldo as well.
At the age of about 20 he really started taking off, and i used him in more of my first team games, and he developed just fine...then when next season started his value had shot up to £30m and he was looking pretty solid, so now hes a regular.


that Camargo aint too shabby either. Ive struggled on finding good CM regens - i had high hopes for my current one Svrcek, but he seems to have stopped developing at the age of 20, which is disappointing. Ive got another one called Moses Shongwe out on loan somewhere, and hopefully he can step up a bit to the high standards i require.

At the moment I have a solid Fabregas/Veloso partnership which is set to flourish and keep me going for another 4-5 seasons easily, so its hardly a crisis.
 
I'm having a real time understanding people who start games with City. Doing it because United is "too easy" is also quite weird, considering City is the only team in the game with a proper sugar daddy, meaning you'll never lack cash for players. If you want that, don't start with City, do like me. Either create a team from scratch, or just give another team a sugar daddy.

To do so, you have to go into the editor and simply click the "sugar daddy" box on finances. But there's more to it. You also have to go into the database folder (which should be in your user data folder), and then the "edt" folder. There will be a "sugar daddy" (or something like that) file, where Manchester City will be. Just copy what it says for Manchester City and add the name of the team of your choosing.

As for teaching, I'm far from an expert on that. As far as I know, preferred moves is the most likely change, but the determination change might also well be from that. I think it's quite connected to the mental stats, and maybe not so much to the other stats. So the player wont become a worse finisher if he has a poor finisher tutoring him. But like the determination example, a player with 19 bravery being tutored by a player with 3 bravery will probably see changes there. At least, I think what I'm saying is true.
 
After winning the Champions League with City in a dramatic 3 -2 win over Arsenal I resigned for a new challenge. Juventus came in for me around January 2012 and I took over as Manager. Bought Cristiano Ronaldo in the window along with a few wingers and youth prospects. My job is to take from where they were (7th) back up near the top. Am currently 3rd, 4 points behind AC Milan in March.
 
niMic said:
I'm having a real time understanding people who start games with City. Doing it because United is "too easy" is also quite weird, considering City is the only team in the game with a proper sugar daddy, meaning you'll never lack cash for players. If you want that, don't start with City, do like me. Either create a team from scratch, or just give another team a sugar daddy.
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hmm, gonna try doing that with my hometown, Cheltenham. Should be entertaining.
 
AlwynP said:
Started a game with city because United were just too easy. So much fun to completely re-build a team, only players I'd kept on the first team were Robinho and Richards by the start of the season. Will post my team sometime..
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How could you not win with United, or with City for that matter. You'll destroy the league.

I don't really see the point in picking a side that you know you're going to get MASSIVE money to make moves in the market, with. Where's the actual challenge?
 
Walrus said:
im not sure about the teaching thing - ive never noticed any big changes, i had thought that the teaching was mostly about preferred moves, not actual stats.


as for Saivet, he was pretty quiet for the first few years after i signed him. I left him in the reserves initially and groomed him in with some cup games etc, had him get tutored by Ronaldo as well.
At the age of about 20 he really started taking off, and i used him in more of my first team games, and he developed just fine...then when next season started his value had shot up to £30m and he was looking pretty solid, so now hes a regular.


that Camargo aint too shabby either. Ive struggled on finding good CM regens - i had high hopes for my current one Svrcek, but he seems to have stopped developing at the age of 20, which is disappointing. Ive got another one called Moses Shongwe out on loan somewhere, and hopefully he can step up a bit to the high standards i require.

At the moment I have a solid Fabregas/Veloso partnership which is set to flourish and keep me going for another 4-5 seasons easily, so its hardly a crisis.
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Hrm.... Maybe it just stops after a season, or maybe I'll have to sell Mesto. But that would be a shame as he's quite handy.

I just figured out how to tailer training schedules, now I've got Saviet (and others) an a proper strikers schedule, in fact I'll post up all my specific schedules when I can. Hopefully now he'll have more time to develop.

And on that, has anyone else tailored their training regimes? If so, to what (could you show me please), and has it showed any signes of working?
 
Meanwhile my Genoa's somehow re-taken fourth spot thanks to a horrific run of form from Inter Milan (were outright second, now fifth).

Though both Inter and Fiorentia are hot on my tail with one or two points seperating us. The drop after these two is enough to make me think I'll finish at least 6th, which would guarantee a spot in the Uefa, right?

Oh and Lavezzi and Gasbaronni have been absolutely brilliant for me.
 
Started again on Sporting.

Bought
Santon
Opare
Hazard
and have Zuculini coming in January

Also have tried for Vegard Forren. Stats look really good for a 20 yr old CB
 
How'd you get Hazard?

The bastard kept telling me he wants to learn more at his club before he would consider moving. I ended up with Saivet instead. And how'd you lure Santon to Portugal?
 
cesc's_mullet said:
How'd you get Hazard?

The bastard kept telling me he wants to learn more at his club before he would consider moving. I ended up with Saivet instead. And how'd you lure Santon to Portugal?
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Just offered him a contract. His contract at Lille was 'unprotected' so all I had to pay was compensation. It's going to cost me 8 million euros eventually.

I got the same thing with Keirrison, will try again in January.

Santon cost 2 million Euros
 
If you want training schedules, do a google for Tug's Training.

Its a full set of optimised schedules for the first team and youth, for every position. Just plonk it into your training folder (cant remember how you find that, but its gonna be like steam/steamapps/common/FM09/data/training or something) and you can import them to every save game.

They are meant to be "perfect" schedules with the exactly right allocation of points into everything. Whether that still holds true I dont know, but they have worked fine for me.




If you are getting into modifying your training regime, make sure you allocate your coaches efficiently. The game's "auto allocate" coaches can sometimes give you much worse training stats (in terms of "stars") than if you do it manually. With the right set of coaches you should be able to get everything to a minimum of 5 stars, though you should be looking for 6's and 7's.
 
I think Tugs is one of the ones I use. I've also used Darkstarr, or something to that effect. And yeah, it's pretty important to actually set the coaches up yourself. It's not complicated and it doesn't take very long, but it makes a world of difference.
 
Yeah I realised my coaches were all rather pathetic, with 10's as their highest attribute. But I have to pay them a fair bit of money to break their contract, which is annoying.

And there's hardly any good coaches out there that aren't already at a club, in fact there's practically none. All the ones that are half decent would have to be employed very specifically, ie they're good at Attacking and Technique, but the rest they're rubbish at.
 
Just did a quick google check, this is the breakdown of the attributes you can focus on in training:

Aerobic – Acceleration, Agility, Balance, Jumping, Pace, Reflexes
Attacking – Creativity, Passing, Vision
Ball Control – Dribbling, First Touch, Flair, Heading, Technique
Defending – Concentration, Marking, Tackling
Goalkeeping – Aerial Ability, Handling, Kicking, One on Ones, Throwing
Set Pieces – Corners, Crossing, Free Kicks, Long Throws, Penalty Taking
Shooting – Composure, Finishing, Long Shots
Strength – Natural Fitness, Stamina, Strength, Work Rate
Tactics – Anticipation, Command of Area, Decisions, Movement, Off the Ball, Positioning, Rushing out, Teamwork
 
cesc's_mullet said:
And there's hardly any good coaches out there that aren't already at a club, in fact there's practically none. All the ones that are half decent would have to be employed very specifically, ie they're good at Attacking and Technique, but the rest they're rubbish at.
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That's sort of the point, though. I don't hire coaches who are good are two or more things. I employ one (or more) for every training skill. It's really the only way to get a decent coaching programme.

Here's the formulas for quality of coaches, which was changed in the last patch (9.0.3).

DDM = Determination + Discipline + Motivating

Strength and Aerobics

Fitness * 9 + DDM * 2
>= 270 -> 7
>= 240 -> 6
>= 210 -> 5

Goalkeeper

Goalkeeping * 2 + DDM
>=90 -> 7
>=80 -> 6
>=70 -> 5

Tactics

Tactics * 2 + DDM
>=90 -> 7
>=80 -> 6
>=70 -> 5

Ball Control

Technique * 6 + Mental * 3 + DDM * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5

Defense

Defense * 8 + (Tactics + DDM) * 3
>=360 -> 7
>=320 -> 6
>=280 -> 5

Attack

Attacking * 6 + Tactics * 3 + DDM * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5

Shooting

Technique * 6 + Attacking * 3 + DDM * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5

Set Pieces

(Attacking + Mental + Technique) * 3 + DDM * 2
>=270 -> 7
>=240 -> 6
>=210 -> 5
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Mate I've got absolutely no idea what all that stuff means, but yeah I figured it was meant to be hard to poach/find good coaches.

So anyway, there's three games left in the season and my side currently sits 5th (I'm at least guaranteed that postion):

Juventus - 82
Milan - 81
Roma - 74
Inter - 73
Genoa - 73

My GD ratio is actually better than Inter's, though they've beaten me in the League (twice I think) so I assume it's calculated on head-to-heads.
 
I had a bit of trouble with it at first, but it looks more complicated than it is. To take one example.

If you wanted a fitness coach that was 7 stars, the total sum of his Fitness Coaching stat * 9 plus (Determination + Discipline + Motivating stats) * 2 would have to be over 270. It's a bit tricky actually searching for these, but I usually just try to search for all the mentioned stats with at lest 13-14, and then check the people who come up to see if they have any stand-out stats.

Alright, it's a bit complicated. Luckily you only have to do it a few times every game.
 
BAH!

I lost on the last day to Fiorentina, 2-1, which cost me my CL place!

On the plus side Lavezzi and Milito were the top two scorers in the League, and Gasbaronni came third in the Player of the Year award.
 
one thing to note is that if you have multiple clubs interested in one of your players, the game sorts the bids you recieve in descending order of value. this means the first news message you come to will be the lowest offer, leading up to the highest.

Why should you care? It just means its often a good idea to reject a few of the lower bids (on the grounds that they arent good enough offers) and accept the higher ones - pressurising the other clubs to outbid the ones youve accept and enter a bidding war, which is great for the seller.
 
Walrus said:
one thing to note is that if you have multiple clubs interested in one of your players, the game sorts the bids you recieve in descending order of value. this means the first news message you come to will be the lowest offer, leading up to the highest.
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Are you absolutely sure about that? I'm not doubting you, but I've played this game for quite a few hours, and I haven't noticed anything like that.

Why should you care? It just means its often a good idea to reject a few of the lower bids (on the grounds that they arent good enough offers) and accept the higher ones - pressurising the other clubs to outbid the ones youve accept and enter a bidding war, which is great for the seller.
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If you've already accepted a bid, you can't "un-accept" it (other than canceling the deal altogether in the event the player accepts their offer). So the other teams would just bid roughly the same as the ones you had accepted. It's possible to delay bids expecting higher bids, in which case other clubs might very well offer more. If they think he's worth it, anyway.
 
So I fecking lost on the last day, to Fiorentina, 2-1, to finish 5th (Roma and Inter both won, which they had to do). How annoying!

My board gave me £25 million for Transfers, which was suprising. I sold £42 million pounds worth of players, namely inlcuding:

Diego Milito - £14, to AC Milan. Second top scorer in the League (to Lavezzi).
Andrea Gasbaronni - £10, to AC Milan. He was voted 3rd in the Player of the Year poll.
Luciano Figueroa - £4.5, to Bologna.
Thiago Motta - £4.2, to Lyon.
Rubinho - £2.5, to Barcelona.

With all my money I ended up buying:

Marquinhos - £15.5, Palmeras.
Igor Akinfeev - £15.5, CSKA Moscow.
Blaise Matuidi - £7.5, Saint Etienne.
Matias Fernandez - £4.5, Villarreal.
Cedric Mongongu - £4, AS Monaco.

Now my best defender (Sokratis Papastathopoulos) is angry at me as I rejected all these potential moves, which is annoying becasue I don't know how to make him happy again. There was this defender, Diakte (I think it was) at some Ukraine side that was just immense, just an absolute monster of a defender, but I pulled out in signing him when I had the chance because my guy wasn't unhappy at this stage.

Now Diakte's signed for someone else at a very reasonalbe price and Papastathopoulos is pissed off. I saved the game on a different save and offered him a big contract (nearly double what he's on) and he rejected it... Is there any way I can make him happy again? Do I make him Captain?

Oh yeah I forgot to say I've had about a hundred constant bids for Co-Ownership of Zuculini, which is pissing me off. Milan actually offered £7.5 million for half his rights, and for a player who's not even valued at £1 million I thought it was a fair chunk. Still rejected it though.
 
Just won the League and Cup double with Sporting.

Djaló top scored with 15 goals

Have Keirrison, Marko Pantelic and Ricardo Fernandes coming in at the start of July with Neymar (a shit hot striker) from Santos coming in next year with another striker Reinaldo (also, very highly rated) coming in 2011
 
how did you get akinfeev for 15m

they always want 28-30 for him in my game :(
 
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its march 09
not included are . mccartney - everton for 9.5m and richardson - everton for 5.25m

joining in the summer .. obertan for 7.5 , acquafresca for 3.2 and nordtveit for 2m

anton ferdinand is the only central defender i have .. ben haim and davenport are on loan
need central defenders and midfielders .. maybe a better keeper .. gordon is ok .. not great

suggestions ?
 
its still march ..
i have around 4m now .. expecting a total of ~25m in the summer (total .. board+sales)
 
I started another United-game (been a long time since the last one), and it's going well, though there have been one or two issues. Here's my transfers for the first season. I realize I sold Fletcher way under what I probably could have, but no one would take him for any more, and I desperately needed the money for the already agreed Srna signing.



Oh, yes, and I sold Tevez. The first thing I did was give Tevez a new contract. The second thing I did was sell him.

My season started decently enough, and the highlight in the first few games was beating Liverpool away. The next game was Arsenal. Between those games, Van der Sar, Ronaldo, Vagner Love, Carrick, Anderson and Ferdinand all got injured. Hargreaves and Veloso were already injured. Oh, and yes, Veloso got one game after I signed him before being injured for 7-8 months. Having already sold Fletcher, I think you can see where this is going. I took the lead, but eventually lost 2-1. At home. :(

I'm still only a couple of points behind Arsenal and Tottenham, and Tottenham will obviously fall off, and Arsenal usually does too post-patch. The problem? Chelsea. After 8 games, they have played 7-1-0, with a goal-difference of 19-0. They just beat Liverpool 4-0.

I'll actually be content with not winning the league this year, if I win something else, considering the massive injury problems I've had. The board might not be, though.

Edit: Scholes just got injured to a two-footed Boateng tackle. My midfield now consists of Gibson and Possebon.

Edit Edit: Rooney got at the end of the same match.
 
Funnily enough, I started an Arsenal game and bought Veloso and he broke his leg in the first league match for me too....coincidence?


Anyways, im surprised you could only get £10.5m for Fletcher, normally you can ship him to City for anything between £20-40m.

If you need more midfield options, Zapater and Kuzmanovic are decent enough - but maybe try to get someone in on loan?
 
Walrus said:
Anyways, im surprised you could only get £10.5m for Fletcher, normally you can ship him to City for anything between £20-40m.
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Yeah, that's what I usually do as well. They just wouldn't bid this time, and I had to get some money in quick.


If you need more midfield options, Zapater and Kuzmanovic are decent enough - but maybe try to get someone in on loan?
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My midfielders are slowly starting to return. I couldn't get anyone now anyway, it's past the transfer window. I might see if I can't get anyone in during the January window, though. Gibson and Possebon haven't been too shabby, actually. I managed to get 1-1 away to high-flying Chelsea with them, at least.

Right now I'm losing 3-0 to Liverpool in the League Cup. Who cares? :p
 
prateik said:
how did you get akinfeev for 15m

they always want 28-30 for him in my game :(
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No idea mate, and when it came to contracts they said he just wanted 100 dollars. Yes, one hundred dollars.

I obviously offered him 40k a week as I assumed something was up.
 
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