Gaming FM2017 Football Legends - Classic Player Draft - S2 Holiday Updates

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@oneniltothearsenal

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson will play his 1st draft: time for him to enter the circus and manage his own team. Could you give him a seat?
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
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Welcome. This Draft’s results will be simulated using this database of roughly 3000 classic players:


http://www.fmscout.com/a-return-of-the-legends-fm17.html


Here is the information about the database itself


After last year's great success of this database, I decided to publish an expanded version that will include even more legendary clubs and players. If you ever wanted to see Paul Gasoigne, Hristo Stoichkov, Franz Beckenbauer, Zico, Marco van Basten, Duncan Edwards, Hugo Sanchez, Gabriel Batistuta all of them in one place and facing each other? Well, now you can. In Football Manager 2017 and with an update “Return Of The Legends for FM17”, you will have an opportunity to play and manage all of these stars and 3000 others spread all over the world in their respective teams.


All of the major and many minor leagues are filled with clubs which possess their all-time greats and are under the guidance of some the managers who ever graced the game.


Bob Paisley is in charge of Liverpool who has players such as Kevin Keegan, Alan Hansen, Kenny Dalglish & John Barnes amongst others.

Sir Alex Ferguson is leading Manchester United with George Best, Bobby Charlton, Ryan Giggs & Eric Cantona and is up to you stop him for dominating the Premier League again. In addition, there are great generations of Leeds, London giants and "crazy gang" from Wimbledon.


Or maybe you think you can do better than Helenio Herrera at Inter with the likes of Giacinto Facchetti, Ronaldo & Sandro Mazzola in your squad and win the battle for Scudetto against Arrigo Sacchi’s AC Milan and their formidable defense, against Juventus and their three-time Ballon d’Or winner Michel Platini and can you hold out against Fiorentina’s deadly duo – Baggio & Batistuta? Also, from the shadows seek a chance Grande Torino, Eriksson’s Lazio, Napoli with Maradona and Legendary Parmateam. In new edition I include legendary Foggia team, led by Zdenek Zeman, and much more legends from lower italian clubs such as Triestina, Padova, Vicenza, Bari.


Winning anything in this update is a success, as many clubs and national teams have some of the best talent that ever appeared in history of football. German, Spanish and French clubs are great competitors. And not just the major ones. There are teams from Holland, Belgium, Scotland, Russia, Ukraine, Austria, former Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary or from Portugal who have good chances of winning the Champions League as much as the teams who are coming from the stronger leagues.


This year I added a lot of Asian and African legends, especially from Korea, Japan, Middle East, and some great legends of Fortuna Dusseldorf, Magdeburg, RW Essen, Achen, Mulhouse, Racing Club Paris, Las Palmas.


The players who are coming from the oldest eras of football are older than the ones who are appeared later and therefore are closer to their peak and reaching their full potential.


And don’t worry the likes of Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo & Neymar still exist, but are a younger versions of themselves and are relocated to their parent clubs. Because of that your task as a manager is even more challenging as it’s up to you to develop them into world-class players they are today and if you succeed to make them a part of your squad.


This is a thrilling update which can bring any Football Manager fan into an ecstatic state of nostalgia with no doubt that they will enjoy the game even more and find it refreshing and challenging like never before. Also were done and facepack for almost all players, which will further give the game interesting.


The man behind the whole project is David Salapura from Serbia. With a little help of some of his friends from Serbian FM Community after few months of work they created this update for every Football Manager fan to enjoy.


I owe special thanks to Victor Kalma Srica, who helped me this year.


Only blocked player is my favorite Socrates as he will be my Master of Ceremonies for updates.


Some important things to remember about the Database are constructed :


  1. I’ll make a new league for 20 teams and then we draft like a normal draft, but will be a little longer actually which ‘ll have to think about. I’ll assign all the classic players drafted into the created league at the end of the draft and begin simulations.

  2. You will draft a full 25 players in Snake Draft. With 3000 classic players plus the modern players aged down to 16-17 there will be plenty of good players to fill all 25 roster slots but it’s towards the end people might select a player not in the database. It will likely be very rare but it is possible. In that case I will inform you the player is not available. I don’t anticipate this even being a possibility until around the 20th round though.

  3. You will also draft a manager and I'll change the manager tactics to whatever formation you want in game. Classic managers are in the game as well as players as separate entities. So you could theoretically have Cruyff the Manager managing Cruyff the player. I am leaning towards drafting the Manager the first round but I am open. I will adjust the Manager you selected to have the Primary formation of your choice as @Macern did but remember the AI will almost certainly be playing some players you wouldn’t. Part of the fun though.

  4. Players are aged loosely based on their birth so for instance Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are 18 year olds at the start.
  5. I know the original database was based on the stats from the years long PESSTATS project here:https://pesstatsdatabase.com/ and http://www.pesmitidelcalcio.com/viewforum.php?f=5
  • Maradona and Ruud Gullit are 19 years old.
  • Pele, Beckenbauer and Facchetti are 21 years old.
  • Cruiff though is 22 .
  • Josef Bican is 24 years old and Nasazzi is 26 years old. (I know it’s not perfect mathematically but this should give general idea)
NOTE:

If people think the top of the draft is too much an advantage I am open to suggestions such as going from 20->1 for the 2nd and 3rd round. But, from what I simulated just to test the database I don’t think having Pele, Maradona, Messi or Beckenbauer is game changing in an FM2017 simulation at all as it would be in a voting draft.


Players slots reserved so far:

harms

eap

pnut

sjor

tuppet

gio

camy89 / altodevil ?

skizzo

oaencha

ecstatic

moby

Macern

13. Spontaneous

14. Igor

15. mazhar

16. adjudicator

17. BeforeKeaneThereWasRobson

18. simonhch

19.

20.


@Damien can we add a poll

"Do players want to draft a manager first before any players?"

Yes
No
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Me me me me me!
 
@Joga Bonito and @RedTiger are the two last spots.

I don't want to jump into the Draft right this minute in case one of the ones who reserved a slot a month ago can't make it.

So any suggestions are welcome.
 
I will make a random roll before or around 3PM GMT on Friday depending when everyone confirms. This will determine draft order for the snake.

For Drafting the typical 8 hour rule will apply.

Everyone has 8 hours to draft from the last pick.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
@Joga Bonito and @RedTiger are the two last spots.

I don't want to jump into the Draft right this minute in case one of the ones who reserved a slot a month ago can't make it.

So any suggestions are welcome.
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Actually nvm, having just thought about it again I probably don't have enough time to do it justice :(. Would have loved to play though as my abrupt junkie inspired sign up shows.

Will be following it keenly and sorry for the inconvenience.
 
Joga Bonito said:
Actually nvm, having just thought about it again I probably don't have enough time to do it justice :(. Would have loved to play though as my abrupt junkie inspired sign up shows.

Will be following it keenly and sorry for the inconvenience.
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Hopefully you can provide any random advice to anyone that needs it as a neutral :)
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
So we can't see the stats? We just pick as normal draft and let sim run?
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Pretty much yes,

But if you look at PESSTATS you are going to get a very good idea how the stats translate because the database was based on the PESSTATS community stats translated to FM - but modified by the AGE factor I mentioned.

So the more modern players will come into their own in a few years while say Nasazzi starts the game in his prime so that makes a difference. Nesta won't be rated as good as Nasazzi at the start of the sim but will be better in 12 years for instance.

I intend to run for at least 8 years and maybe as many as 20 so assume between 8-20 years.
 
in if space!!! I'll be playing this on my computer too. Been searching for this for a long time
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Pretty much yes,

But if you look at PESSTATS you are going to get a very good idea how the stats translate because the database was based on the PESSTATS community stats translated to FM - but modified by the AGE factor I mentioned.

So the more modern players will come into their own in a few years while say Nasazzi starts the game in his prime so that makes a difference. Nesta won't be rated as good as Nasazzi at the start of the sim but will be better in 12 years for instance.

I intend to run for at least 8 years and maybe as many as 20 so assume between 8-20 years.
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That's not how FM works. He can be better in 12 years, or he could be a bust. It depends on how the manager plays him and trains him.
 
NM said:
That's not how FM works. He can be better in 12 years, or he could be a bust. It depends on how the manager plays him and trains him.
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True. But the way these classic players are made, the range of variability is narrowed. I simmed 3 saves so far for at least 6 years and generally, Messi is going be extremely good even if he starts as 18 and Pele is 21. Messi might not produce an 90 goal season in any one save, but its not like players are wildly off base from where they are generally considered historically if that makes sense.
 
8. skizzo ( trying to recruit Joga as his AM)

:lol:
 
This is the true draft championship for me. No personal preferences just straight up stats to decide it.
 
In if there is space.
 
Camy89 said:
@altodevil86 - what do you say?
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It would also be my first football one so would also rather be assistant than co manager, I'm also doing an NBA one which takes up time. I'd be up for it if you did the final submission etc.
 
altodevil86 said:
It would also be my first football one so would also rather be assistant than co manager, I'm also doing an NBA one which takes up time. I'd be up for it if you did the final submission etc.
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To be honest, I'm pretty busy with job shit at the moment so might just give this one a miss altogether and watch from the sidelines and see how it goes. Sorry about that :(

@oneniltothearsenal
 
Camy89 said:
To be honest, I'm pretty busy with job shit at the moment so might just give this one a miss altogether and watch from the sidelines and see how it goes. Sorry about that :(

@oneniltothearsenal
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No worries, that's why I'm looking to take a more backseat role too.
 
Someone, let me assist you, in any way you want.
 
@antohan you can draft without having to participate in matches in this one
 
P-Nut0712 said:
@antohan you can draft without having to participate in matches in this one
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I'm not entirely sure about the mechanics of it all @oneniltothearsenal

Do we just pick in the hope that whoever made the database made justice to the players?

Haven't played FM for absolute ages so will probably cock up all the team/tactics settings :lol:

I do like the idea though. Are you basically going to run a league with each team getting injuries, having to adjust tactics for each game, etc? Sounds like a ton of work but I did enjoy the last time we simulated an FM league season with CAF members as generated players. I was a Paolo Montero of sorts albeit a bit more agricultural.
 
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