Indeed. They've got some cracking players, in fact they've had plenty of quality players post Maradona yet have always underwhelmed. Thankfully their brand of football didn't win the day, and for this reason alone I'm Happy (rinse and repeat Pharell style...).
Final - Germany vs. Argentina
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Indeed. They've got some cracking players, in fact they've had plenty of quality players post Maradona yet have always underwhelmed. Thankfully their brand of football didn't win the day, and for this reason alone I'm Happy (rinse and repeat Pharell style...).
What do you mean Higuain was never going to get anywhere near the ball? If he'd jumped he'd have got his head on it. I assume he doesn't jump because heading the ball would've been of absolutely no benefit to him.
Neuer had not asingle shot on his goal. Apart from fishing balls and doing his usual, unique stuff he had no chance to prove he was the best GK of this tournament.
He's always been better than Higuain at least. And with Aguero having dodgy legs for a few months it is puzzling that he wasn't even in the squad as a precaution.
Not leading with the knee? Imagine a defender jumping through the back of an attacker like that or jumping into a goalie like that? You think Higuain doing that to Neuer would've resulted in a foul?
This German side vs Spain 2010, who was better?
Sometimes it isn't just about the best players. If he has a significantly negative effect on the camp then I think it's a valid reason. If it's personal between manager and player that's different.
It isn't just about taking and fielding the best players - England are case and point of this. Only people in the Argentina camp know why he was omitted though.
Not sure what to make of this, do you think Higuain would have jumped higher than Neuer?
Agreed.
Spain was overall more impressive I think.
But what an impressive fight of both teams! Not the best football shown, but the will to win was just incredible.
Btw: Schweinsteiger : covered 15,3 km, despite like being tackled every minute in ET, amazing workrate.
Boateng won 83,3 % of his duels, one of the best performance of a CB I've seen in such an important game.
Fun fact... Argentina will have their chance for a tiny revenge as they are the first friendly after this World Cup. Who'da thunk? That's going to be interesting... 
Spain easily.
where's the white text?
It was something along the lines of making a group, the same reason why Romero was the goalkeeper and not Caballero (or some other goalkeeper whit playing time) and the same reason why Gago was in that team, the thinking was that there was no reason to risk breaking a good group by taking Tevez, pretty much like why Reina was the third keeper in spain instead of De Gea for many years.
Considering I don't think Argentina have played that well at any point - it's hardly huge praise.
Let me put it this way, and it's not because I'm German: Parking the bus doesn't win you a WC!
That's good news for me already, even if it was another winner. I just completely hate this Mourinho-Chelsea-we-park-the-bus football. Which btw was never an alternative to real football, hadn't Chelsea won the CL riding on unbelievable luck.
That's good news for me already, even if it was another winner. I just completely hate this Mourinho-Chelsea-we-park-the-bus football. Which btw was never an alternative to real football, hadn't Chelsea won the CL riding on unbelievable luck.
I agree with the poster who said Argentina were better in everything but finishing today. Wasn't impressed by Germany but given how consistent they were throughout the tournament, they surely deserve. No problem with that at all.
No, probably not. I wouldn't have thought Diego would've jumped higher than Peter Shilton either. Though how high he'd have jumped is neither here nor there.
The fact Higuain didn't touch the ball is irrelevant. He was running into a position to bring the ball down and was clattered into recklessly. Anywhere else on the pitch by any other German and I think it's a pretty obvious free kick...
Argentina never parked the bus, though... They're just pretty crap offensively. They had far better chances than Germany did throughout the match and just couldn't take them. Imagine that.
Not sure about that. Even already then back in 2010, had Mueller been able to play (a rediculous second yellow!), it would have been another match.
All goalkeepers are taught to lift a knee when going up for a high ball, its to protect themselves. its repeated thousands of times in training, its a basic technique. So whilst it looks bad and can be dangerous it is something all GK coaches teach GK's from youth age onwards.
Not leading with the knee? Imagine a defender jumping through the back of an attacker like that or jumping into a goalie like that? You think Higuain doing that to Neuer would've resulted in a foul?
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Three of them. In 120 minutes. Imagine that too.
That may very well be the case, but it was still a ridiculous tackle from Neuer and he could not have complained at all about a penalty. Actually you could see it from the expression on his face afterwards, how relieved he was, that he got away with it.....
I enjoyed the final, great win for Germany led by Schweinsteiger who was an absolute colossus tonight. I also thought Muller delivered once again and the German CB pairing along with Brock Neuer were excellent. Argentina's best players were all defensive and they were banking on the quick counter which nearly paid off but Higuain and Messi fluffed their lines. Gotze's winner was the best WC final goal ever IMO.
That wasn't the reason for his expression. He was relieved that Higuain wasn't hurt at all. We all in Germany know very well about the Schumacher incident. He was just glad nothing serious had happenend to Higuain. Nevertheless it was all Higuain's fault -- he had no chance on getting to the ball when Neuer approached. He could and should have backed away. But he was up for a penalty. Afterwards he faked some pain and was eventually substituted. Pretty good job by the almost-hero named Higuain.
Argentina had 3 Goal chances in the Game...
Germany had:
1 Goal
1 Header hitting the Pfost
1 Clear Shot from about 6 Yards through Schürle
If you consider that the Shot from Aguero was from a very difficult angle, i think even the clear chances was very even....
Neuer: no penalty but should have been a indirect Freekick
2 Red Cards to Mascharano and Aguero
a bunch of half chances to Germany
I think its save to say:
well deserved Germany
Germany had:
1 Goal
1 Header hitting the Pfost
1 Clear Shot from about 6 Yards through Schürle
If you consider that the Shot from Aguero was from a very difficult angle, i think even the clear chances was very even....
Neuer: no penalty but should have been a indirect Freekick
2 Red Cards to Mascharano and Aguero
a bunch of half chances to Germany
I think its save to say:
well deserved Germany
I think Schuerrle alone had three times only the GK in front of him...
"It's to protect themselves". How the fcuk is Higuain supposed to protect himself? It doesn't matter why Neuer done it. I don't think he was trying to harm Higuain but that, again, is irrelevant.
3 absolute sitters missed... some parking of the bus.
Congrats to the Best team. What a sensational World Cup!
Neuer clearly hits the ball, higuain did not even try to go to the ball, he underrun neuer, so technical the ref was correct.
But because of the hard play through neuer i would call a indirect freekick, but not sure if this is even possible
But because of the hard play through neuer i would call a indirect freekick, but not sure if this is even possible
Sorry, but even if I give you (or Neuer in that case) the benefit of a doubt and his facial expression after the tackle was indeed sign of a "Mother Theresa"- like compassion....when it comes to the question of penalty or not, IT DOESN'T MATTER A BIT whether "Higuain had no chance of getting to the ball when Neuer approached". If you attack a striker as clumsy as Neuer did, you deserve to get a punishment in form of a penalty, no if, no but, no when....
Argentina had 10 shots and 9 off target. 0 shots on target in 120 mins. Says it all really.
To be fair, Howedes should have seen red in the first half for the terrible tackle. It was a very even game, Argentina looked dangerous on the break but Germany probably shaded it overall IMO.
If you're going into the box with Neuer as a Keeper, no defender in sight, on a high ball and you don't expect Neuer to be there... you can call it a number of things, suicide, stupidity, foolish bravery. But you can't really call it Neuer's mistake. When I was younger, I was told the Keeper has a certain protection within the box. Not as much as within his goal box, but still. If he goes up, he's got the right of way. Since this was clearly a fight for the ball, he has the advantage. Which player seriously thinks he can compete with a GK who can use his arms? It's a pointless battle. Don't do it, unless you want to be hurt. Every GK would've done the same.
There hasn't been any mention of tevez yet. He is much better than higuain.
I guess they thought tevez is too similar to Messi and aguero.
Higuain seemed nervous. Tevez would easily score those chances. Big game player
I guess they thought tevez is too similar to Messi and aguero.
Higuain seemed nervous. Tevez would easily score those chances. Big game player
Höwedes? i don´t think so..
Yes, a well deserved yellow, but a straight red?
Yes, a well deserved yellow, but a straight red?
That's okay, I have no problem with a goalkeeper protecting himself, but we are not talking about mistakes here, we are talking about rules. And there is a rule in football, that if you run over a striker in the penalty box without clearly getting the ball, you will be punished with a penalty. It's as simple as that.....but don't get me wrong, all in all the Germans have deserved that victory, it's just a little "Schönheitsfehler".
Was he a big game player back when he cost Argentina in the last international tournament he played?
I'd say so. Not clear cut but I'd lean towards red, a lunge straight to the knee...