I can't believe people actually think the game is scripted. Like, why would they do it?
Gaming FIFA 17
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Theres a type of scripting as in the way a game is going. Like if a team is 3-0 down and scores a goal, everything gets boosted while the other team goes to shit. Some guys went into the code and found proof of it
Really? Link?
There's been momentum swings for a while.
But really people just need to justify their shitness with excuses.
But really people just need to justify their shitness with excuses.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FIFA/comments/5kgnfi/i_found_mention_of_momentum_in_fifa_17_game_code/
Example from it:
And real proof that having lower rated squads (through bronze benching) actually gives you a boost for absolutely no reason at all.
Well when teams go 3 up they usually do have more freedom and fun, and when 3-0 most players drop heads so it's not that ridiculous really. Should depend on the mentality of players though as not every player is the same.
The difficulty goes up for the team that has the lead...
Oh, well that doesn't make sense then
Obviously the game trying to even things out a bit.Lets face it, some people only play fifa, others play fifa now and again. So those 2 different types of players getting slung into a match together is ridiculous.
The thing that probably pisses me off the most are the people who take forever to do everything. Over elaborate corners that take forever, pausing and waiting the whole time for no reason, watching every single animation and replay. Happening right now and I'm beating this cnut too. The worst.
There's just absolutely no excuse for any sort of balancing or momentum in a competitive e-sport game which people invest a lot of time and money in to attain the advantage advertised to them by the publisher and developers.
It's criminal.
It's criminal.
The reasons for the divisions are for them not to be matched! They shouldn't get pointless boosts to "even it out". That's bsOh, well that doesn't make sense then
Lets face it, some people only play fifa, others play fifa now and again. So those 2 different types of players getting slung into a match together is ridiculous.
:lol I'm not overly bothered by it, I just accept I'm shit at it. Also what about the lads at the top of the rankings? Surely they deal with the same stuff as the rest of us. They probably know these tricks though and use them to their advantage.
You think you always get matched with someone in your division? I'm sure there was a thing discussing this before which mentioned about the divisions not actually matching up properly? All the divisions are is a pyramid to make it look and feel as you progress? Might be wrong, but sure it was like that in fifa 15 or 16. As I can't believe people who are in division 6 I can beat 7-0 then get beat off someone else in division 6 9-0 ? Seems vert strange if so.Yeah they do, plenty of them whinge about the same things on their YouTube channels and claim to be good at spotting the clues to certain things happening and give hints on how to manage the situation when it does happen.
The Divisions work simply by points needed to achieve success. You get matched according to your team rating and ELO Score.
4 wins out of 10 will win you the division 10 title whereas in division 1 you need 7 wins and 2 draws.
I'm stuck in Div 4 and on every occasion I've needed points for promotion and the other guy has had his mic on he's turned out to be from Division 2/1.
I put this down to one of a few things:
1. The programmers intentions are pure and they want to give you a real challenge for promotion/title victories.
2. To get to a position where you can be promoted/win title you generally win 4+ games consecutively or at least go unbeaten which results in you being matched against other hot form players.
3. EA are money grabbing wankers who know that causing fraustration by instigating the scenario where defeat is snatched from the jaws of victory, people are often likely to respond by buying packs to get better players to improve their chances.
You're talking about EA here, the money grabbing cnuts who I definitely believe would put some sort of code game to make sure you don't get comfortable with your team, and continue buying packs. I did exactly what I was doing in my previous 5 games, but whatever kind of finish I tried to pull off, it went direct at the keeper, including one on one's I usually finish in my sleep. I battered him. He got literally one scruffy shot eventually and it crawled in. I don't consider myself amazing at the game, but you should have seen it, I had countless amount of chances in the first half and it just wouldn't go in. There's no smoke without fire, too many people are saying the exact same thing about this mode.
Pretty sure they all use those things to their advantage, especially the bronze benching thing which I find incredibly cheap and never do. Their choice though I guess, I don't care enough to get really pissed off about it or anything, just when I can tell Fifa is about to "Fifa" me, I tend to start playing like a cnut to counter it. Either do slow, boring possession and holding the ball with no purpose until my players stop feeling like crap when they run (usually like 5-10 game mins), or if it's the last 10 minutes I go full park the bus to hold on to the result. Before I started doing that, there would be crazy comebacks in every game so it's the only way to go I guess. Just play against the game mechanics a bit.
Seasons is a different beast for me. It feels so much fairer. I've had my ass handed to me on it numerous times and just held my hands up to facing a better player.
There's been numerous times in UT where you can just feel the change happen, players stop pressing, defenders step up for an offside trap to leave the opposition striker through (despite having a deep defense set to cover), players boot the ball away in defense when I just want to hold the ball and control possession, 35 yard weak foot shots from 76 rated defenders whistle in, deflections go straight to the opposition, goalkeepers parry a cross into the goal, defenders miscontrol the ball when simply turning to a fullback and let the opposition in... the list goes on.
It's nothing to do with your own skill, it's the AI or mechanics going to shit because it's not the right time for you to win.
Oh wow
criminal.I've had issues with they 'why' for a while, but possibly because I'm looking at everything through my own personal lens: as EA I would not risk one of the most valuable franchises in the world by doing anything dishonest. I'd let the game be the game, quality got me here and quality will keep me here. But I'm generally a long term thinker and averse to dishonesty, and the folks at EA might not be.
On the other hand I also fail to see that by doing so you would motivate people to buy packs. But then again, its possibly because I buy 0 packs and opt to just grind it out. Never liked the idea of paying for any advantage.
So if I had to bet on why this has been happening, I'd place a timid bet on 'programming mistake'.
Yep. This was always why usually played a lot more seasons instead of Ultimate team (not this year because of the weekend league which is fun), just felt 'better'. Though it probably exists in that too, just can't be as bad.
Wait, the idea of FIFA being "scripted" isn't accepted by everyone that plays the game? I'm a fairly casual player compared to others but this has been obvious for years.
For example, there is a pattern on Seasons. If you get promoted, your first season in the next division is always started off with your players really out of form. Slow to manouvre, wayward passing, poor shooting and no strength. You try to survive the first year unless you can find a shitty way of overcoming the handicap. Then the season after all your players will be on fire. If you go on an unbeaten run it'll try to peg you back again but if you still hold your own (have more shots/possession than your opponent) it'll put you back in good form.
For example, there is a pattern on Seasons. If you get promoted, your first season in the next division is always started off with your players really out of form. Slow to manouvre, wayward passing, poor shooting and no strength. You try to survive the first year unless you can find a shitty way of overcoming the handicap. Then the season after all your players will be on fire. If you go on an unbeaten run it'll try to peg you back again but if you still hold your own (have more shots/possession than your opponent) it'll put you back in good form.
That's just crazy
Literally tens of thousands of players discuss exactly the same should-be-unusual scenarios happening time and time again.
You think the AI that controls where the ball goes or how fast a player moves isn't open to manipulation?
When your player shoots, how much control do you believe you have? If it flies in the top corner 3 times in a row or goes straight at the goalkeeper 3 times in a row do you really believe it's 100% down to the buttons you pressed?
If a player had 95 shooting and you shoot, do you have more chance of it going in than a player with 65 shooting?
If you do, what's to stop the game lowering that 95 down to 55 to make you less likely to score? What's to stop the game simply deciding that every shot you take will hit the post instead of going in?
If it was a completely skill based game and a level playing field, do you think crap people would stick around to be beaten time and time again? Do you think the skilful players (usually the ones who invest the most) would bother investing in packs for better players?
Even though I'm not against the thought of EA implementing momentum in the game code, even in online gameplay... I do find there's a small irony in players who use full assisted controls that complain about the game being scripted. I mean, every pass, cross, through ball and shot is mainly controlled by the assisted AI, and not you, if you use assisted controls
I'll tell you what does take the piss, when it starts kicking in this "form" when you're playing 1v1 against your mates. 2-0 is the sweet spot. If you can get 2 up then the other players team will fall to bits. Then if they can scrape a goal, suddenly the table is reversed and they'll become untouchable and will have many chances to level or win the game.
Wouldn't crap players just end up in the lower divisions with other crap players? If the game really is scripted then wouldn't that put the good players off from buying packs?
See above. That's not how divisions work. Everyone plays each other, the only difficulty change is the amount of points you need to get from your 10 games and matching you via your squad rating and ELO.
Div 10 title: 4 Wins.
Div 1 title: 7 Wins + 2 Draws.
Why do so few people benefit from momentum/scripting as opposed to those who get it against them?
@Eddy_JukeZ is FIFA scripted? Or am I just that much better than @Duafc
I've benefitted loads of times. I mentioned earlier about Butland saving a penalty with a completely automated dive to the other side of the goal I was trying to direct him.
I was battered earlier for 90 minutes and one of my few shots got deflected to Mkhitaryan in a sea of defenders for him to finish in injury time.
All the shit I complain about happens to players I'm playing and I benefit but it's never when it actually matters. First few games of a season or early in a tournament.
I believe most of these conspiracy theorists are blaming fair losses/bad luck on the game being scripted. It's very easy to make that claim instead of admitting that one wasn't good enough or that it was just down to poor luck.
It might be something in some of the theories, like the one bosnian posted with a guy from reddit checking the coding of the game, but it's going too far. Everyone blames it on the game being scripted when they lose and I'm tired of it. And to the post you quoted me in, I do not believe that the players are handicapped in the season after a promotion. Some minor scripting to make games more tight if one player is dominating, sure, I believe that. But like I said, everyone are blaming everything on the scripting.
Come on you will know from the first few minutes if a game is going to go all the way or not
Look at the videos a few pages back, if ya don't believe then, you'll never believe
Forget first few minutes, if I have the kick off I can tell within the first few passes how it's going to play out.
It's like that talisman they each hold in Inception, when you've played a few hundred games with the same players you know how they should feel and when all of a sudden your TOTGS Gundogan controls a 6 yard pass like Rooney on Boxing Day and then plays his next pass like he's been sitting on a bench in Siberia for 8 hours, you know something's not quite right.
What's your theory? What decides who's going to benefit from the scripting?
I don't believe in scripting. This game is just poorly designed in some aspects. Before people say, how could a company with resources like EA have poor design? Remember that this game has had a kit glitch in FUT since day one. They've had 2 patches to fix this. It's still not fixed.
So I don't believe in scripting. There's just lots of dodgy game mechanics. Even further increased with the new frostbite engine.
I do believe in momentum though, but I've started to believe less and less in this too after some counter arguments from people.
Edit: Not saying that BS does not happen. It definitely does.
What's ELO? How come I can breeze through the first 4 or 5 division on FUT barely losing a game and lose the majority of games in division 1 & 2? Seems like I'm just playing better players.
Decided to do a couple of SBC's last night for the first time and got Pogba out of a pack. Delighted. 
I'm now in a conundrum whether to cash in to help fund buys for Hazard and Aguero (and another 100k or so).
Do people prefer him as a CM or a CAM?
I'm now in a conundrum whether to cash in to help fund buys for Hazard and Aguero (and another 100k or so).
Do people prefer him as a CM or a CAM?