The money is crazy but didn't Willian go for stupid money too. Players won't come cheap from Shakthar, considering the financial position that they are in.
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That's quite a hefty sum. Is it unreasonable to believe there was another team sniffing around and City simply threw the money at Shaktar to be done with?
If that means City not getting Isco, I'll be happy.
Oh and he's 28
Oh and he's 28
At least they went straight for a quality player... and cant see him being a flop... he looked class everytime ive watched him play. Him and Yaya could make a very good partnership. If he kepts playing at his current level for the next 4 or 5 seasons, cant argue with the fee.
Why would it mean that?
Yeah agree with that, out of the two Aguero was always the more natural fit up top and Tevez was better coming deeper, so I'd be shocked if they bought another striker and dropped Aguero back - would be a really shite move IMO.
I think Silva will play there anyway in a proper 4-2-3-1
I'd say Rodwells delighted he signed for City now.
I can imagine this spells the end for Javi Garcia. What a poor signing he turned out to be. They will take a serious hit there.
End of Garcia? He never really got going. And what do you mean by serious hit?
No, because we don't need to buy it, we already are at the top of it
Are you fecking kidding me? When our target is 28 every man and his dog bangs on about them only having 3-4 seasons in them max, no resale value, etc.
A Brazilian that never made it and is already 28 is definitely NOT worth 34M.
I'm actually quite pleased with how this is going so far. Let's see what Moroninho does next.
Yes, it is now officially not on to call him José, we are switching to Moroninho again.
Mou wants to splash a similar amount on Hulk since they missed out on Falcao.No, because we don't need to buy it, we already are at the top of it
Are you fecking kidding me? When our target is 28 every man and his dog bangs on about them only having 3-4 seasons in them max, no resale value, etc.
A Brazilian that never made it and is already 28 is definitely NOT worth 34M.
I'm actually quite pleased with how this is going so far. Let's see what Moroninho does next.
Yes, it is now officially not on to call him José, we are switching to Moroninho again.
Are you serious? Strange chap.
The end, as in they will get rid of him, not that hard to decipher surely? Who said he "got going"? A serious hit, again not that hard to understand, they paid about £16m for him, can't see them recouping more than £7m or £8m for him.
Hope that clears up my very confusing post.
I'd rather he got Hulk than Dzeko. Dzeko could work out quite well for them Chavs.
This is a huge amount of money, very surprising he went for that. He's a good player but I'd have been concerned if we paid in the mid twenty millions for him
Yeah so just imagine how City fans feel that their team has spent nearly £60 million on a winger who's played nearly in nearly every La Liga game without a goal, and a 28 year old who cost more than Juan Mata did at 23. I would be kind of hacked off to be fair, and although I've only seen a handful of his games, I'm not too worried about this transfer. We could make a much larger leap if we manage to pull off Thiago.
Just had a quick scan in Bluemoon and some are clutching at straws saying it was 34M for Shaktar but that included 4M from the player foregoing a bonus in order to get the move. Some taking that as a sign of commitment, him not being a mercenary, etc.
I wonder how much better his wages are at City. Anyone guessing significantly > 4M improvement?
I wonder how much better his wages are at City. Anyone guessing significantly > 4M improvement?
What am I missing here? £30m on a Brazilian with 5 caps?
The obvious fact that no one really wants to play for City if not for the money
But did he say they are massive, because that is the voice of a true fan.
What a fecking bizarre set of signings. Lets spend big and buy 763 defensive midfielders.
Sorry, not magnificent, he said "spectacular"
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I doubt City fans really care how much is spent. Fact is he will improve them in midfield, he's small, fast, has a long shot, a freekick and he played from deep for Shakatar doing a decent amount of defending. I'm not sure he does as much defensively as Barry but he's certainly an option as the holding midfielder
TBF there's no reason for City fans to care about how much he cost - the money isn't coming from them or the business of the Club, and they aren't operating on a budget that will be effected by overpaying for players. They could spend the same amount on every signing they make all summer and it won't stop them signing another next time - the joys of unlimited money, and no wage-ratio targets.
I doubt he cares too much having spent a season at the highest paying team in the league. I expect he was realistic enough when he joined to know what he was getting into (I'm sure "holistic" was mentioned when he joined).
I doubt he cares too much having spent a season at the highest paying team in the league. I expect he was realistic enough when he joined to know what he was getting into (I'm sure "holistic" was mentioned when he joined).
Haha. They arent going to take a serious hit. They are just so filled with money. That £16m is like pocket money to them.
He cost them 15.8 million pounds. They might get half of that now, especially considering whatever club is going to take him will also have to offer him competitive wages.
Again do you honestly think they care about the £7-8m they are going to lose on this chap? I doubt it. If anything they will be happy to get rid.
I don't think they care at all, but it is a hit, especially with them having to compensate for the 90 million pound loss they made last season.
To add to the conversation - in the past City have found it tough to offload players due to the high wages. Adebayor, Santa Cruz, Bridge are some of the examples of players that they found hard to sell because of the massive wages they pay.
They signed some crap players last season in Maicon, Sinclair (not crap but not quality for a top team) and Garcia, possibly on good wages. It will be a challenge to get rid of them. I don't know how they'll pay all these wages, transfer fees and comply with FFP.
Another massive sponsorship deal on the way, I guess.
They signed some crap players last season in Maicon, Sinclair (not crap but not quality for a top team) and Garcia, possibly on good wages. It will be a challenge to get rid of them. I don't know how they'll pay all these wages, transfer fees and comply with FFP.
Another massive sponsorship deal on the way, I guess.
City are all about the short term, aren't they? Navas turns 28 in November and Fernandinho turned 28 last month. Yaya Toure was 27 when they signed him, Maicon 31, Barry 28..
In the last 5 seasons(2008 until present), despite spending insane amounts in the transfer markets, City has only managed to sign 4 good players under 24(at the time of signing); Aguero, Zabaleta, Kompany and Nastasic. It's therefore no wonder that City as a team, is totally crap if you remove everyone born before 1988, as beautifully illustrated in this thread. Only Nastasic and Aguero makes the cut then(if we only include good players). That's two measly players! Compare that to these teams:
United: Kagawa, DDG, Hernandez, Welbeck, Rafael, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling, Evans, Anderson, Zaha etc.
Chelsea: Hazard, Mata, Lukaku, De Bruyne, Oscar, Azpilicueta, Schürrle(recent).
Dortmund: Lewandowski, Reus, Grosskreutz, Gündogan, Bender, Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer.
Bayern: Götze, Kroos, Müller, Martinez, Alaba, Boateng, Shaqiri etc.
Barcelona: Thiago, Busquets, Sanchez, Alba, Tello.
Real: Coentrao, Sahin, Özil, Di Maria, Marcelo, Varane.
Several of these sides have spent significantly less money than City as well. When are they gonna learn to think more than 1-2 seasons ahead?
In the last 5 seasons(2008 until present), despite spending insane amounts in the transfer markets, City has only managed to sign 4 good players under 24(at the time of signing); Aguero, Zabaleta, Kompany and Nastasic. It's therefore no wonder that City as a team, is totally crap if you remove everyone born before 1988, as beautifully illustrated in this thread. Only Nastasic and Aguero makes the cut then(if we only include good players). That's two measly players! Compare that to these teams:
United: Kagawa, DDG, Hernandez, Welbeck, Rafael, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling, Evans, Anderson, Zaha etc.
Chelsea: Hazard, Mata, Lukaku, De Bruyne, Oscar, Azpilicueta, Schürrle(recent).
Dortmund: Lewandowski, Reus, Grosskreutz, Gündogan, Bender, Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer.
Bayern: Götze, Kroos, Müller, Martinez, Alaba, Boateng, Shaqiri etc.
Barcelona: Thiago, Busquets, Sanchez, Alba, Tello.
Real: Coentrao, Sahin, Özil, Di Maria, Marcelo, Varane.
Several of these sides have spent significantly less money than City as well. When are they gonna learn to think more than 1-2 seasons ahead?
There was nothing wrong in signing a player who is 27. They got Toure at exactly the right time since he was just entering his peak years.
I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with it. The problem is that they barely sign any top players in their early twenties(20-23). Players like Götze, Özil, Kagawa, Hazard etc. They also seem to be unable to sign young and relatively unknown players and then turn them into stars, which again only illustrates how short-term they are.
Thats because young players like you mentioned are more ambitious and arent looking for huge paychecks. Well sort of. They do want more money but I think winning trophies at that young age is more important to them. Whereas when you are 27+ you are looking for one, probably two final paychecks. And if you have experienced winning a lot of trophies before like Toure did with Barca, then earning money takes a bigger position in your mind than winning trophies. They arent a big enough club to complete for the likes of the above mentioned players.
Well a better argument would be that they are competing against the likes of Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Manchester United. Four of the biggest clubs in football right now. Hazard with Chelsea was sort of weird. He says he signed for them due to them winning UCL. But we all know the prick chose them due to more money. He was smart enough to reject City because he knew everyone would criticize him for going there for the money. But he knew he would still get more money at Chelsea than if he came to United.
While I agree that younger players are more likely to go to traditional top sides, rather than clubs like City and Chelsea, it still doesn't explain why Chelsea are doing so much better than City in terms of young players. You could say that Chelsea has had about 10 years to establish themselves, which makes it easier to attract youngsters. But still, why aren't City at least trying to do the same? I don't think it's a coinscidence that so few of the young players they sign turn out to be class. It's because they are sloppy in that department, and don't pay enough attention. Almost none of Chelsea's talented youth were big names before they were brought in(Mata, Oscar, De Bruyne and Lukaku).
Chelsea seem to be more attractive because of a few reasons. London is more appealing than Manchester. Chelsea over the last decade have come on leaps and bounds when compared to the decades before that. Going to Chelsea wont exactly label you as a "money whore" but if you go to City then you are (thats a small reason). Chelsea have been to the Champions League final twice in the last 5 years and won it two years ago. European Champions definitely seems to more appealing than just Premier League Champions. Also their general performance in the UCL has been so disappointing for City. Albeit that is going to change but they have been in the UCL for only two years now? Chelsea have been in this competition consistently over the last decade.
Also its not like City havent tried to sign established or even young players these last 5 years. Half of them have rejected them. Kaka, Eto, Götze, Hazard are some of them. When Ozil signed for Madrid, City were nobody. They will keep trying. They want Isco, which would be a great coup for them but he might again choose Real over them. They also want Thiago, who is only 22. So its not like they are not trying. They are just finding it harder to advertise their club to the young and upcoming players of today. They dont seem to have a game plan other than just money.
Arguably there are phases to going from lower mid table shit kickers to table toppers in such a cashed up manner and over such a short period.
First you buy some of the more experienced players from the sides above you for inflated transfer fees and over the odds wages to compensate for the short term lack of European football - this was what happened when they got Barry, Lescott, K. Toure, Adebayor, Santa Cruz, Wayne Bridge, Milner etc. The sides above that sold these players either no longer really wanted them that much (Toure, Adebayor, Bridge) or are used to shipping off realised players and using the money to bring more through (Barry, Milner, Lescott, Santa Cruz). As we've seen this part of it basically proves catastrophic in the long term because within a few seasons you've replaced these players with Champions League quality players, and you can't sell them because no one will pay them wages anywhere near like what you're paying them, especially seeing as most of them end up on the fringes and play infrequently.
Then after a couple of seasons you've established yourself as a Europa League side and are ready to push on to the top 4. Now you can access a slightly different class of unwanted player (Y. Toure, Balotelli) and are better able to convince some very very good but arguably success starved (at club level anyway) players that you're a ticket to trophies and you'll also pay them all the money that exists in the world along the way (Aguero, Clichy, Silva, Dzeko).
So then trophies are won (
). After trophies are won you need to maintain the success and keep the winning momentum going. The key part of this, arguably Sir Aelx's strongest skill, is consolidating that and not letting a side stagnate, by bringing young players through as squad members of previous sides ready to step into key roles down the line. To be fair to Mancini he realised that this needed to be done but was dealt a bum card by the owners of the club who wouldn't invest more. The fact that the need for short term success was so heavily pushed by the owners led him to invest heavily in players in their prime that could perform immediately instead of young players that would need time to develop. When they won the league he wanted to change that but the owners wouldn't give him the funds to get in a massive amount of highly rated youngsters - he did get Nastasic for 5.5 mil + Savic and he has been very good. Other young targets like Hazard and Douglas Costa he rightly or wrongly wasn't given the money for and had to settle for Scott Sinclair. By then it was too late anyway.I'm not good at going back in time and finding old player stats, but I doubt that the Chelsea team in 2008(for instance) only had a couple of successful youngsters, like City now has.
Also, you're missing my point when you only focus on big names like Kaka and Özil. I'm also thinking about relatively unknown youngsters, who aren't necessarily wanted by all the top teams of the world. Why aren't City getting any of those despite all their money, star players, and consistently good PL performances? Surely that ought to attract some good young players? Especially if there aren't that many other offers!
Also, you're missing my point when you only focus on big names like Kaka and Özil. I'm also thinking about relatively unknown youngsters, who aren't necessarily wanted by all the top teams of the world. Why aren't City getting any of those despite all their money, star players, and consistently good PL performances? Surely that ought to attract some good young players? Especially if there aren't that many other offers!
Because thats not what they are after right now. They either want the established players or the brightest young prospects. They have the money to buy anyone they want and offer ridiculously high wages for anyone they sign. But like I said before money isnt always the best advertising idea. Since they are just starting out and building a team, they have no time or they dont want to bring in some unknown youngster and groom him. Their focus is to solely win trophies over the next few years to establish themselves as a big side and then once they have settled down, they will start looking to bring in youngsters for the future. And thats why teams like Chelsea, City dont exactly have a good academy either.
They've had two youngsters who weren't massively high profile. Savic (fail) and Nastasic (early success, don't like to judge youngsters after one season but he's been very good for them).
Chelsea bought under the age of 23 (purchases only, not youth teamers they got in at 15/16 like Kakuta, Piazon, Bruma and Stoch)
Joe Cole (22 years old, 6.6 million, 2003)
Glen Johnson (19 years old, 6 million, 2003)
Mikel (19 years old, 16 million - 4 to Lyn and 12 to us
, 2005)Cech (22 years old, 7 million, 2004)
Robben (20 years old, 12.1 million, 2004)
Kalou (21 years old, ~9 million, 2006)
Sturridge (20 years old, free transfer + compensation, 2009)
Nemanja Matic (21 years old, 1.5 million, 2009)
Romeu (20 years old, 4 million with 10 million buyback, 2011)
Lukaku (18 years old, 10 million + 7 addons, 2011)
Oscar (20 years old, 19.35 million, 2012)
Moses (21 years old, fee undisclosed but allegedly 11.5 million, 2012)
Hazard (21 years old, 30 million, 2012)
Ramires was 23, as were Mata, Marin, Essien and Luiz. SWP was 24.
I suppose that proves that at least Chelsea actually (bar Torres and a few others) spend their money on really good or potentially world class players. City just seem to feck all their money at whatever is currently hot.