Fernandinho

City have spot an opportunity to improve their team, this guy wanted to come, they had money, it is how it is supposed to go.

Not like we are doing this summer....

It is getting really frustrating !
 
Not sure about you lot but I don't see him as a £30m player from what I've seen so far. Don't think he fits their team particularly well either. Him being in the side means Toure needs to be the one sitting back all the time and defensively he's not seemed all that great - he was definitely one of the ones (though not the only one) at fault for Gunnarsson's goal there, just stood by as Kim wandered into the box. Making Toure the most defensive player in the midfield doesn't seem particularly clever.
 
To me, he hasn't looked a 30m player till now. If he was that good, he would have got into Brazil national team. Shakhtar wins domestic league for fun as there is little competition and admittedly had some good players playing together for some time which helped them being good in Europe as well. This suddenly doesn't make all their players world class or worthy of big money. I was perplexed when I first read people fearing City midfield due to his addition, but successful football team doesn't work as sum of XI parts.
 
Brwned said:
Not sure about you lot but I don't see him as a £30m player from what I've seen so far. Don't think he fits their team particularly well either. Him being in the side means Toure needs to be the one sitting back all the time and defensively he's not seemed all that great - he was definitely one of the ones (though not the only one) at fault for Gunnarsson's goal there, just stood by as Kim wandered into the box. Making Toure the most defensive player in the midfield doesn't seem particularly clever.
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This hardly means anything anymore. Prices have become irrelevant to the player's quality.

I agree that he doesn't fit the team very well. He's really in direct competition with YaYa for the midfield spot. He'd be better with Javi Garcia next to him or Toure playing that role properly (which would really be a waste of his talents=.
 
The Man Himself said:
To me, he hasn't looked a 30m player till now. If he was that good, he would have got into Brazil national team. Shakhtar wins domestic league for fun as there is little competition and admittedly had some good players playing together for some time which helped them being good in Europe as well. This suddenly doesn't make all their players world class or worthy of big money. I was perplexed when I first read people fearing City midfield due to his addition, but football team doesn't work as sum of parts.
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That's not true at all. Brazilians that play in Brazil have always been generally more favored than those that play in Easter Europe. Willian only has two caps. Maicon is in the team. Rafael can't get a look because of players like that. Fred is pretty much their first choice striker. Jo is in their squad as well.

We also have our own history with purchasing a first team player from Brazil. Didn't do us much good. So I wouldn't read too much into it.
 
Possibly true but if Fernandinho is the kind of player that's costing £30m+ then you can see why we haven't just went out and bought whatever mystery midfielder we want, in fairness. Look at most of the players City have added to their midfield in recent times and you can see why we're not splashing the cash as readily as people demand.
 
Still early days, but he doesn't look to be a natural fit for the side.
 
Brwned said:
Possibly true but if Fernandinho is the kind of player that's costing £30m+ then you can see why we haven't just went out and bought whatever mystery midfielder we want, in fairness. Look at most of the players City have added to their midfield in recent times and you can see why we're not splashing the cash as readily as people demand.
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This.

Its precisely because the cupboard is so bare that I agree with Big Pete's opinion that we shouldn't be panicked into trying to 'make a statement' or paying over the odds for midfielders that simply aren't worth it.

When Thiago was on the market it was smart to pay that kind of money but we didn't. Now he's gone to Bayern (and busted himself up for the trouble) is there anyone else out there who really warrants a c.£30 million fee?

Fernandinho is a good player but is he a £30 million player? For that money he should surely be among the best half a dozen centre midfielders in the Premier League and I really don't think he is. Likewise other players being touted at such outrageous prices...
 
Brwned said:
Possibly true but if Fernandinho is the kind of player that's costing £30m+ then you can see why we haven't just went out and bought whatever mystery midfielder we want, in fairness. Look at most of the players City have added to their midfield in recent times and you can see why we're not splashing the cash as readily as people demand.
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I'd simply attribute that to how SAF and Moyes go about their business. City and Chelsea don't care about money. Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSG and Monaco don't either. They just pay the asking price and are done with it (in most cases).

You would have seen these figures being spent if the players that we were absolutely sure about getting would actually agree to come here or were at all for sale. I don't know how City's scouting system is but I'm sure they take a lot less time to mull things over than United or Arsenal do when it comes to buying a player. I don't mind that at all. Why spend such ludicrous amount of money if you aren't sure.

He's a bit like a used car now. Gone down a lot in value because he hasn't performed like his price suggested he would straight away. He was a hot ticket after the Champions League last season and Shakhtar's constant dominance in Ukraine but that soon blows over. Wouldn't be surprise if we'll see something similar from Willian as well. Both players are quality however and I still maintain that Fernandinho would fit in well next to Carrick.
 
Snow said:
That's not true at all. Brazilians that play in Brazil have always been generally more favored than those that play in Easter Europe. Willian only has two caps. Maicon is in the team. Rafael can't get a look because of players like that. Fred is pretty much their first choice striker. Jo is in their squad as well.

We also have our own history with purchasing a first team player from Brazil. Didn't do us much good. So I wouldn't read too much into it.
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What has that got to do with what we did? If we did something wrong, it won't make their wrong right. It is early days but he hasn't done anything to justify his price tag.

Look at the current Brazil squad. Only Fred, Jo and Henrique play in Brazil. Do you mean they will omit Paulinho and Neymar from team now that they have moved abroad?
If you are paying 30m for a 28 year old, he has to be proven world class and done something big which Fernandinho hasn't.
 
The Man Himself said:
What has that got to do with what we did? If we did something wrong, it won't make their wrong right. It is early days but he hasn't done anything to justify his price tag.

Look at the current Brazil squad. Only Fred, Jo and Henrique play in Brazil. Do you mean they will omit Paulinho and Neymar from team now that they hae moved abroad?
If you are paying 30m for a 28 year old, he has to be proven world class and done something big which Fernandinho hasn't.
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Of course they won't emit them now because they moved. It's just that players move very early to Easter Europe. Brazilian coaches aren't watching the Ukranian league like hawks. It's not readily available like the big leagues in Europe are.

Just look at Brazilian friendlies. Who are getting their first cap in those games? Who are getting a break at all? Certainly not the players in Ukraine or Russia unless they've already been acquainted with the national team.

Fernandinho was one of the best players on the pitch against Chelsea and Juventus on the biggest stage of club football last season. So was Willian. Both were sold for a lot of money. Not any different than a team getting good money for a player after the World Cup.

The Brazilian Confederation Cup squad had 11 players playing in Brazil. 3 of them moved to a European club very soon after. That's half the squad. Only Fred and Neymar had more than 10 caps.
 
Snow said:
Of course they won't emit them now because they moved. It's just that players move very early to Easter Europe. Brazilian coaches aren't watching the Ukranian league like hawks. It's not readily available like the big leagues in Europe are.

Just look at Brazilian friendlies. Who are getting their first cap in those games? Who are getting a break at all? Certainly not the players in Ukraine or Russia unless they've already been acquainted with the national team.

Fernandinho was one of the best players on the pitch against Chelsea and Juventus on the biggest stage of club football last season. So was Willian. Both were sold for a lot of money. Not any different than a team getting good money for a player after the World Cup.

The Brazilian Confederation Cup squad had 11 players playing in Brazil. 3 of them moved to a European club very soon after. That's half the squad. Only Fred and Neymar had more than 10 caps.
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They kept calling that Wagner Love dude (Russian league I know but at the time was there much coverage of that league ) for a while in Brazil. I believe they have eyes everywhere and for some reason I won't speculate they haven't deemed Fernandinho good enough to be called up.
Let's see if it changes up now that he plays in much more exposed team.
 
Brwned said:
Possibly true but if Fernandinho is the kind of player that's costing £30m+ then you can see why we haven't just went out and bought whatever mystery midfielder we want, in fairness. Look at most of the players City have added to their midfield in recent times and you can see why we're not splashing the cash as readily as people demand.
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That's a pretty damn good point.
 
Ramires looked incredibly shite when he first came to the Premier League so we can't judge too much yet, however he was much younger than this guy. He doesn't look technically gifted at all from what I've seen.
 
Brwned said:
Not sure about you lot but I don't see him as a £30m player from what I've seen so far. Don't think he fits their team particularly well either. Him being in the side means Toure needs to be the one sitting back all the time and defensively he's not seemed all that great - he was definitely one of the ones (though not the only one) at fault for Gunnarsson's goal there, just stood by as Kim wandered into the box. Making Toure the most defensive player in the midfield doesn't seem particularly clever.
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In his first game he made a lot of tackles, but that doesnt necessarily mean he snuffed out the danger of the opposition. Just means he was combative. I agree that today he wasn't as effective
 
Brwned said:
Possibly true but if Fernandinho is the kind of player that's costing £30m+ then you can see why we haven't just went out and bought whatever mystery midfielder we want, in fairness. Look at most of the players City have added to their midfield in recent times and you can see why we're not splashing the cash as readily as people demand.
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Thats just City though, they've done the same with other positons. Meanwhile other clubs have bought good midfielders at good prices
 
Snow said:
Of course they won't emit them now because they moved. It's just that players move very early to Easter Europe. Brazilian coaches aren't watching the Ukranian league like hawks. It's not readily available like the big leagues in Europe are.

Just look at Brazilian friendlies. Who are getting their first cap in those games? Who are getting a break at all? Certainly not the players in Ukraine or Russia unless they've already been acquainted with the national team.

Fernandinho was one of the best players on the pitch against Chelsea and Juventus on the biggest stage of club football last season. So was Willian. Both were sold for a lot of money. Not any different than a team getting good money for a player after the World Cup.

The Brazilian Confederation Cup squad had 11 players playing in Brazil. 3 of them moved to a European club very soon after. That's half the squad. Only Fred and Neymar had more than 10 caps.
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While I agree that Brazil national team is promoting and giving chances to young players playing in Brazil, I don't think they are naive enough to ignore world class talent just because he is in eastern Europe league. As I said, early days still, but he is 28 years old and that is very high price to pay for.
 
Another run-of-the-mill £10M Brazilian DM (see Ramires, Paulinho, Sandro).
 
Aye Ramires is the best of the lot Don't rate either Sandro or Paulinho too highly
 
nahealai said:
Ramsey has been good in the last two games (Fenerbahce and Fulham), but I thought Delph et al schooled them last weekend.
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Yeah, yeah, schooled us with 34% of the possession. Anthony Taylor did the schooling with 2 pens and a red card.
 
Sandro is excellent, would love him at United
 
peterstorey said:
Yeah, yeah, schooled us with 34% of the possession. Anthony Taylor did the schooling with 2 pens and a red card.
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You lot had two-thirds of the possession and Villa had three-quarters of the goals. I know which I'd rather have.

For what it's worth, Delph, in my opinion, was the most impressive midfielder on view that day at the Emirates.
 
nahealai said:
You lot had two-thirds of the possession and Villa had three-quarters of the goals. I know which I'd rather have.

For what it's worth, Delph, in my opinion, was the most impressive midfielder on view that day at the Emirates.
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Yep was talking about him today his energy levels speed and mobility was very impressive.
 
peterstorey said:
You haven't seen Ramsey over 90 minutes lately have you.
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Yes I have. He's done decently, but has adpoted the Owen Hargreaves circle of no idea what to do with the ball.

You havent seen Sandro, Paulinho, Ramires or Fernandinho ever have you?
 
Ekeke said:
Yes I have. He's done decently, but has adpoted the Owen Hargreaves circle of no idea what to do with the ball.

You havent seen Sandro, Paulinho, Ramires or Fernandinho ever have you?
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Ramsey can't pass the ball? Have a word with yourself.
 
Ekeke said:
Yes I have. He's done decently, but has adpoted the Owen Hargreaves circle of no idea what to do with the ball.

You havent seen Sandro, Paulinho, Ramires or Fernandinho ever have you?
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peterstorey said:
Ramsey can't pass the ball? Have a word with yourself.
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He can pass the ball certainly. He just doesn't pass it to the right players at the right times. It's a decision making, not an ability, issue that he has.

Though he did look tidy against a woeful Fenerbahce.
 
#07 said:
This.

Its precisely because the cupboard is so bare that I agree with Big Pete's opinion that we shouldn't be panicked into trying to 'make a statement' or paying over the odds for midfielders that simply aren't worth it.

When Thiago was on the market it was smart to pay that kind of money but we didn't. Now he's gone to Bayern (and busted himself up for the trouble) is there anyone else out there who really warrants a c.£30 million fee?

Fernandinho is a good player but is he a £30 million player? For that money he should surely be among the best half a dozen centre midfielders in the Premier League and I really don't think he is. Likewise other players being touted at such outrageous prices...
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He's a £30 million player if he, along with the other signings, improve the side to the extent that they win the league, or have a good run in Europe.

They clearly identified him as a player with the qualities they were looking for. They signed him from a club who have no financial need to sell and who regularly compete in the Champions League. They paid what they needed to get him and it might prove a smart move. Time will tell.

People always have their opinions on what players are worth, but they're largely irrelevant because a players value is what whichever club is prepared to pay and if I were a fan I'd be much happier with the club actually getting the business done.

Arsenal show you what happens if and when a club seem to have an issue with undervaluing and not knowing what's going on in the market. They wont pay what clubs want - and fair enough, as long as they're prepared to fall behind their rivals over time.

Its a balancing act - nobody wants their club to overpay, but if a club is succesful at the end of the season, the £5 million or so they may think they "overpaid" will be the last thing on their mind.
 
He's been a really good signing for Manchester City - best player for them today. Though his passing was off, his reading off the game was at its best.
 
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