He apparently waived £4m in loyalty payments to secure his move to City.
Fernandinho
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Completely agree with that paceme, thought the same thing pretty much since Mancini arrived.
Isco will be an upgrade though because compared with Silva he is more suited to a wide role IMO. Clearly they are both best in the middle but of the two I think Silva's game lends itself more to playing as a 10, whereas Isco can do both roles - kind of similar to Chelsea in that respect with Hazard who can play left wing or AM really naturally and Mata who is more suited to the middle.
So if they play Isco on the left over someone like Silva or Nasri it is a more natural fit I think, he's not a full on winger like Navas but he's got the ability to play there more than the others, and obviously it frees up Silva to come inside and create chances/dictate the play with his passing - which is quite significantly wasted on the wing.
I agree with you though about Navas though, really interested to see if it works out because it definitely seems that City needed someone like him
If City's front four consisted of Navas, Silva and Nasri/Isco then that definitely lacks goals. Especially as Silva has not looked like a top player at City other than a six month purple patch.
But he's Spanish and plays really nice tiki-taka, so he's on par with Rooney aparantly. And Fernandinho has an ok goal scoring record in Ukraine, so he'll probably get 10+ goals a season in a City shirt.
From the moves in the transfer/manager department we've seen so far, I'd say it looks like it'll be United and Chelsea competing for the title next season.
But he's Spanish and plays really nice tiki-taka, so he's on par with Rooney aparantly. And Fernandinho has an ok goal scoring record in Ukraine, so he'll probably get 10+ goals a season in a City shirt.
From the moves in the transfer/manager department we've seen so far, I'd say it looks like it'll be United and Chelsea competing for the title next season.
Such a non story. Like he didn't get the equivalent as a signing bonus? Stay another year, get a 4m loyalty bonus or go to City, get more money and at least an equally large signing bonus plus some money for the agent as well.
Imagine if he didnt waive £4 million though. Did they really want £38 million for him? Christ
Of course they did. They drive a hard bargain. If they didn't, Willian would be a Chelsea player. In the last 6 months Shakhtar have sold two players for (most likely) over £60 million. Fernandinho cost them £7m and he played there for 7 seasons. Willian cost £12m and he played there for 5 and half seasons. Those are two pretty fecking good buys.
You also probably remember the fee that they got for Chygrinskiy. That club doesn't mess around. They're like Porto without the financial instability of the country and league and third party ownership taking cuts of the fees.
Meh, we didn't get Thiago, and they haven't brought anybody in.
That Toure-Fernandinho combination is gonna be tough to face... Would have been a great partner for Carrick.
Agree. I also called him as a very good player earlier this summer, good blend of physique and technique.
The £30 million we don't seem to ever want to go beyond would have been well spent on this guy. Instead it was used to try and attain a player who was never going to be transferred, certainly not at that price.
Looks the real deal, but perhaps we should let him get a few more matches under his belt before we claim he is easily worth £30m?
I don't care about the price, City wanted him as they knew he was the midfielder they required. All this talk about what players are worth is fecking tiresome....if it is a player who provides a missing link then price is irrelevant.
City paid the money, they have their players and they are already integrated. United have decided they like to set valuations in a sellers market, hence they have no players in the door. If there is all this money we have been assured is there, then £30 million should be fecking peanuts. The problem lies in the fact United feel someone like Cesc Fabregas is only worth £30 million, which is utterly ridiculous.
It makes me laugh when people say they don't care about the money etc etc. You would care if it was your business you were running.
Well, that's not true at all.
To be honest when a team has to scout thoroughly and take a calculated risk in the hope that it comes of correctly they are less than likely to sign the expensive player. If a club can just write off 30m if the player flops and buy someone else they are more likely to spend the money on said player straight away. That's not really rocket science.
I think 30m will probably end up being viewed as good business on City's part.
Seems like a lot, but there is a shortage of midfielders available and if he established himself as a starter in our midfield for 3/4 seasons I reckon we'd all say it had been worth it.
Seems like a lot, but there is a shortage of midfielders available and if he established himself as a starter in our midfield for 3/4 seasons I reckon we'd all say it had been worth it.
Why doesn't he play for Brazil? He has fewer caps than Anderson, which is not a great recommendation.
The real world simply doesn't work that way. Go moan somewhere else
Erm...yes it is true. City have obviously scouted him and identified the player as a missing link, the midfielder needed to compliment Toure. He is a Brazilian international who has faced up against tough conditions in the Ukranian league. It's not just throwing £30 million at a player, they got Navas and Jovetic for decent fees this summer.
They obviously have no reservations about him flopping, they are confident in their purchase. I'm sure the season will prove that.
If you think price is irrelevant fair enough, I don't. Not by a long shot.
City and Chelsea can afford a £30M (£50M) feck up (or multiple feck ups) and just write it off, Man Utd or Arsenal can't.
In fairness both teams probably could afford an expensive feck up or 2 but it wouldn't make good business sense. If we were to start wasting money on players in the same way that Chelsea and city have done then it would start on the slippery slope, and with FFP kicking in we can't really be wasting money.
If you simply exit and just restart the game transfer fee's don't matter
One game ffs.
The football world might not be real to you and I, but for the people running the club I can assure you that to them it is the real world.
We all have different worlds, doesn't make any of them less real than others.
When it is a missing link price is an irrelevance, when it could be the difference between winning the Champions League and exiting at the first knockout stage it is an irrelevance.
If City win the title this season and this guy is instrumental, the price tag becomes irrelevant.
It's probably cool to like this guy because he's got a good name and cost a lot of money.
one decent game against a rubbish newcastle side is enough to justify a 30m price tag and make us lament not buying him.
if that doesnt sum up what level of idiocy some of you bring here nothing will. absolutely incredible.
nearly 1000 for giggs at a high level unable to convince some of his abilities.
if that doesnt sum up what level of idiocy some of you bring here nothing will. absolutely incredible.
nearly 1000 for giggs at a high level unable to convince some of his abilities.
My post quoted another of mine from when the signing first happened, saying how he's a good signing and a very complete player.
Not all of us are limited to only watching the Premier League. Saying he would have been a good partner for Carrick, or that the 30m might end up being a good price in the end is hardly some sort of huge meltdown.
There's only one poster who was maybe a little enthusiastic with his praise of this guy and the damning of us not signing him and yet you're clubbing posters together in one sole opinion of 'we suck, they rule, fernandinho is ze shit'.
Yeah, they're confident of their purchase because if it goes belly up it doesn't matter a whisker. Hence why most if not all other clubs just can't go around throwing 30m around on a hopeful purchase from the Ukranian league whilst putting their money where their mouth is.
It's an entirely different scenario if the player is a well known worldie that many clubs are after.
you could copy and paste that over enthusiaistic post into several other threads. copy and paste its opposite into our own threads. pogba being the grand master of this type of poster's ridiculous opinion
The fact that he's a good player is not news, I think most have seen Shaktar play a few times. We'll see how he goes as the season goes on but he got out of the blocks to a flier tonight.
City sign Fernandinho: "£30m for a 28 year old defensive midfielder?
"Fernandinho plays well on league debut: "Great player, good signing, can't believe we didn't go for him, our midfield is so shit etc."
Ok thanks for that revealing insight. I feel a lot more grounded after that.
I dont see why every City related thread needs to be turned into bleating about how much money they have and what they can or can't spend.
They identified a good player - one who has a lot of Champions League experience with an established CL side, and who has moved from South America and proved himself in a tough league eastern europe. It seems to surprise some that huge PL clubs would scout leagues other than the big 5.
They paid what they needed to to get him and based on what very little has been seen of him, he looks a good buy. If United had bought him and he'd performed like that most fans would, quite rightly, be over the moon.
Some people dont see the irony in moaning about City's money and how its ruining the game and then spending all day in the Ronaldo thread praying for his return in a record breaking deal.
Bottom line, City did what we're trying to do: Identified where they were weak and looked to plug the gaps. Very sensible, although I still think they're light at centre half.
I agree with this. If City are willing to pay 30m for a player that will be vital for them then they have made the right decision. It is still to early to make a judgement but if he is the difference between first and second place then he will be considered as a good buy.
You can never be completely sure of anything with a player though, even when you scout extensively and pay big money. You act as if United have never splurged big money without a second thought. The club are not paupers ffs a really good midfielder for £30 million should not be a problem with the amount of cash pouring into the coffers. The City of 4-5 years ago might have displayed the attitude of "feck it, if he flops we will just go out and buy someone for £50 million." The City now has to be slightly more cautious but being who they are, will always have to pay a premium for talented players.
I think this idea of "flopping" is very rare nowadays anyway. This guy has been plying his trade in the Ukranian League for a few years, he hasn't come straight from Brazil. He has been operating in a physical league with a team that play good football and have an experienced coach and talented players. He is not really "risk material" so to speak. It's pretty clear his game is well suited to the Premier League.
Good performance today. Along with his midfield partner, the best of the game.
but feck them! xd they will bottle it sooner or later.
they will bottle it anyway
but feck them! xd they will bottle it sooner or later.
they will bottle it anyway
Absolutley. Its interesting that they've actually gone out and bought "second tier" players rather than absolute top draw, established players. Perhaps helps in managing the squad and keeping players happy - also keeps the wages down.
A lot will still want to criticise how they go about things, but its a lot more sensible than before. The big earners in Tevez and Balotelli have gone and been repalced by "lesser" players - probably with lesser ego's and it should help them build a team.
Its not exactly a coincidence that City have spent £650m on transfers in five seasons while United have spent a little over £200m. United have carefully gone about building a squad which can compete at the highest level, while City have burnt through dozens of players and several managers in an absurd process of trial and error which would have destroyed any real football club.
I would have been impressed, but vs that Newcastle side, I'd hardly be over the moon. Our midfield would have bossed Newcastle too. He's still a long way to go in this league.