complete bollocks - for a start McCarthy is a PL quality player and is worth about £15m max.
Everton can ask whatever they want but no one is going to pay £30-35m for Fellaini - £25m max and even that is a bit expensive.
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complete bollocks - for a start McCarthy is a PL quality player and is worth about £15m max.
Everton can ask whatever they want but no one is going to pay £30-35m for Fellaini - £25m max and even that is a bit expensive.
How on earth did that make sense to you when you were typing that out?
I agree that potentially Fellaini could move cheaper than his release clause, but the only thing his release clause expiring could possibly change is that Everton can now get more money than that for him.
No one is paying over £22 million for Fellaini anyway 
If Everton want more than that he's going nowhere, and nobody would really care. Totally irrelevant.
If Everton want more than that he's going nowhere, and nobody would really care. Totally irrelevant.
I'm not saying he isn't premiership quality... but he is a championship player at present. It seems that the transfer market has inflated hugely, and what was a 15 million player last summer is a 25 million player this summer. Obviously thanks to the insanities that Monaco, PSG and Real Madrid are perpetrating. Christ, City look restrained but have still spunked 30 odd million on a 28 year old unproven in the premiership player. Suarez who, whilst being a very talented player is also a complete liability, is being touted by Liverpool at sodding 55 million. The market has moved on. Hence the big Belgium lump is as cheap as we'll get him at 22 million and if the clause expires we'd be looking at a lot more to sign him... if we wanted to... which I don't think we do.
I don't think the release clause is that big a deal even if it expired overnight tbh. If we want him, and bid whatever the release clause was(~24M ?) Everton will accept it no doubt.
They won't if they sense that we're out of options and desperate to get him as the last option. But if we get in another midfielder before him, they'll accept it I guess.
So he is worth more than 22m?
More like, how on earth did your post make any sense when you typed it.
So he is worth more than 22m?
More like, how on earth did your post make any sense when you typed it.
I didn't say that did I?
I said that the only thing that it changes is that Everton can now, if they want to, reject an offer of 22m and demand more money. If Everton have ever been inclined to sell him cheaper than that then they could always have done so. Fellaini's release clause going changes one thing, Everton's ability to ask for more than 22m.
I'm actually confused as to how you didn't understand that.
United may not feel he is worth his release clause. You have to ask why we haven't got him already.
We should back off in that case. 35 million for fellaini would be way too much.
So we feel he isn't worth his release clause, so we wait until the day that Everton can contractually demand MORE money than it before we offer for him?
I think the issue here is you don't understand what a release clause is.
Honestly I don't think we were ever really interested in him. We were only linked with him because of the Moyes connection, despite there being no indication whatsoever that we're after someone like him.
Then he'll stay where he is.
Calm down too. Kinell.
But that's not an issue.
I can't possibly understand how you've come to the conclusion that the release clause expiring would mean that Fellaini would go cheaper? I'm not angry, I'm just baffled at the logic.
Fellaini looked very poor last against Juve...and I'm not talking about his bank account.
I'm considering arguing against my previous position on The Hairy One.
I'm considering arguing against my previous position on The Hairy One.
Not seen the game yet, will do after work. But it's a friendly, it means hardly anything. I've been hearing that Stones was one of the best players on the pitch, someone who looked poor in the U-20 World Cup against much lesser opposition, so if Fellaini was poor in one game, does it reflect his overall ability? No.
It's not, though. He is a Championship player. Whether he is of a higher quality than the Championship is unimportant, he plays for a Championship club.
Is he currently in the championship? Yes
Does he deserve to be in the championship? No, absolutely not. He's a good player and comfortably premiership class.
My point was that a fee being asked for a player currently in the championship is £20m. This is a significant increase on anything seen previously, giving more credence to the fact that the transfer market has inflated again. Therefore we can reasonably expect that a player previously valued at 15m could easily be valued at 25m this season. Hence my assertion that we would be asked for circa 30m for the hairy lump rather than a more realistic 15-20m. McCarthy was the example used to illustrate this.
Agreed. One match, especially a friendly, doesn't mean much. But I would think Fellaini himself would have viewed the match with more urgency than the other players on the pitch because of the rumors swirling around his name. In any event, Everton will be playing Real Madrid in a few days (unless somehow LA Galaxy pull off a bizarre upset) and if Fellaini phones it again I will have to rework my calculations. Everton as a whole looked pretty decent...and if you want to check out a sweet pen by some kid (whose name I can't recall at the moment) who followed Pirlo (who missed), watch the pk shootout.
Perhaps Marouane just dialed it down last night to prevent an injury.
Ye well if you know that he is PL quality then the fact he plays for a relegated club is irrelevant to his worth.
I dont really agree with your general point, you keep talking about asking prices but they mean nothing if people arent paying them. There is a bit of rise every year but the transfer market has not inflated that much from last year from what I can see.
Regardless, no one is going to pay £35m that you mentioned for Fellaini - £20m to £25m is realistic regardless of any alledged release clause.
But they are paying them. Bale is one example, Cavani another, Falcao another, Illarramendi, Higuain. Hell you could even argue the same for Isco, Gotze and Neymar. All of these players wouldn't have gone for the money that they have moved for this summer last summer. Because of the fact that there are now multiple players at the top end of the market with the emergence of Monaco and PSG, the prices for the top quality players have moved up a step. As a consequence the players on the rungs below have also moved up. I can't see how this can be denied. The strangest disconnect is that there are more and more players moving for little or no money too.
I saw the penalty, it was by Stones, so he must have had a blinder to do a penalty like that.
How would you rate his passing and first touch?
No one has paid anything for Bale yet. And Fellaini is not yet in the category of most of the players you mention, virtually all have been playing regular CL football for some of the top clubs in Europe so they all come at a premium - Fellaini could reach that level in the future but he is not yet proven at that level.
The only really bizarre one for me is Illarramendi as I'd barely heard of him TBH.
There is more money in the system due to PSG/Monaco and increased TV money but I certainly dont see a 50% increase in players values as you seem to be suggsting.
Anyway lets see how much Fellaini goes for, if he even does move at all, and we will see who is proven right.
Issue? There is no issue my end. The only issue we seem to have here is that you are shocked someone thinks different than you. We are on a forum and someone has a different view to you, go figure. Here is a piece of advice though, if you don’t agree with something someone has said, rather than being a condescending little prick, why not approach the matter in a way that will make posters want to engage in a convo with you.
I'm not bothered about involving myself in a discussion because as far as I can tell there isn't one to be had. You're the one thats resorted to insults, so maybe you should take a look at your affairs before you start dishing out advice.
Your point never made sense, I asked you to clarify how something clearly illogical (i.e. that the removal of a clause that represented a maximum ceiling on any transfer fee would make the deal cheaper) and you've not come back to me.
It leads me to believe that you don't understand what a release clause is and made your statement on the basis of a mistaken belief that the 22m (before August the first) was the ONLY fee that could be accepted, that is the only way I can reconcile what you stated with what has happened.
it is possible that clubs have made lower bids than the release clause and that Everton have told them to wait as they want to see if anyone activates the clause and if not then they will talk.
So yes it does make sense.
It's also a huge assumption on your part.
I know full well what a release clause is, but my reasoning is based on that cause the release clause is in place, if we were to go in lower atm, then Everton will just simply tell us to match it.
Completely agree with you...
The release clause expiring will not allow us to get him for cheaper you fool. It's not an opinion, it's a fact, surely you understand that regardless of a release clause if they wanted to sell him for cheaper, they would. Now the release clause is gone, they can raise the price.. it's fecking simple.
I dont agree with that. He's very arguably worth slightly less than that. If this clause expires Everton can simply ask for £30 million if they dont want to lose the player and arent interested in cashing in. It could be they feel they cant get a replacement to want to join them and would rather keep the player unless it was a bonkers offer.
There is a reason it is called a minimum fee release clause...
Stones looked decent to me. Among the only players to do so in that squad
In the U-20? I thought all of the full backs were pretty poor, with only Barkley/Ward-Prowse being players to cheer about.
Well I only saw 2 matches and thought he contributed coming forward and supporting. Felt the team as a whole struggled to attack so that was one of few positives. Understandably perhaps you were focusing on his overall game with Everton in mind so if you felt he was suspect defensively then fair enough as I'm sure you were focusing on him more than I was
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