Fellaini
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If we're willing to pay £23m for Fellaini (likely), we should be willing to offer £50m for Fabregas (unlikely).
Fellaini at £23m represents better value than Fabregas at £50m.
Where's my white text?
I like Fellaini.
We need a poll
Like a Belgian Phil Lynott.
We can sing "The Moyes Boyes are back in town" if he plays.
We can sing "The Moyes Boyes are back in town" if he plays.
YES!
Or, Bad Reputation.We can sing "The Moyes Boyes are back in town" if he plays.
No modification necessary.
Or anything by Afroman
We've paid around 18m to get Young, Jones, and Valencia; players who didn't have as good season as Fellaini when we bought them. Include the inflation and this new TV deal, adding 5m to that price isn't that outrageous.
I'd argue all of them were better players for their club than Fellaini has been at Everton - added to the fact that he's not going to play in the only position he'd be likely to have an impact for us, since we've got better players there. (It's not CM, hint hint)
There's none, I wouldn't want us to pay £50m for Fabregas, Fellaini at £20m or £23m assuming we spend the rest on one or two more players would be passable.
If we supposedly have the money to do it I see no reason why we shouldn't.
Jones has the potential to be one of the best CBs around one day. That's why we paid what we did for him. Also because several other top clubs were in for him (which they clearly aren't for Fellaini, or his release clause would have been triggered.)
Valencia has had at least one season where he was widely regarded as the best winger in the league. At his best, people were talking about him as one of the most dangerous wingers in Europe (Guardiola, for example). Fellaini is not at that level.
Young we overpaid for. We'd be doing it again if we paid £23mil for Fellaini. It's not a horrible price, but it is too much. I'd probably pay £18mil for him.
Don't disagree with any of that, but we are not in a position to be quibbling over £5m. Everybody knows we are desperate for midfielders, and i don't think we will win the title without strengthening that area.
It should have been sorted long before now, but it hasn't, and now Moyes is under pressure to get the right players in only a couple of months. If we find ourselves at the end of the season having won feck all due to our midfield issues, we will surely regret not paying that bit extra for the players we wanted.
If Fellaini and Fabregas are the targets Moyes wants, then we should pay what it takes to get them. Many moaned about how much we had to pay to get RVP, but who's moaning now? The end justifies the means. If we spend £80m on Fab and Fellaini, win the title and improve in the CL, who really gives a feck how much the Glazers have to spend to achieve that?
They have spent feck all on our midfield over the past 5 years, so now is the time to do so. Give Moyes what he wants, and then judge him accordingly on his decisions at the end of the season.
It's not really to do with the odd £5M. It is to do with getting a mediocre player for a key position.
Being entirely serious here, Pete:
If you were the United manager, which midfielder(s) realistically attainable would you go for?
1. I didn't. And Fellaini is no RVP. Buying him alone is not going to win us the title if we can't win it with what we've already got.
2. Who said anything about Fabregas? Obviously we should spend whatever the feck the club feels able to spend on him, as he'd give us a good chance in every competition. I'm talking about the price for Fellaini, and £25mil is an overspend for a player who isn't necessarily going to improve us by much.
I'm not one of those who minds us overspending on really good players. If the club are willing to spend it, that's fine with me. But I believe there are more suitable signings than Fellaini available, so overspending on him seems a bit stupid. For one thing, I would much rather seriously overpay and land Fabregas than miss out on him and get Fellaini with money which could have been added to the Fabregas bid.
Exactly. Overspend on brilliant midfielders, or even on mediocre but more suitable ones. But don't overspend on someone like Fellaini who isn't really what we need anyway.
I hope he gets a good loan.
Jones potential at CB? So far he has been distinctly average in that position.
Valencia got his plaudits AFTER joining United.
So you judge one on (unfulfilled) potential, one in retrospect, and Young as expensive. Yet you right off Fellaini because he can't be/ hasn't been good for us?
Can you see why I'd have a problem with that?
We did win it with what we have. Adding Felaini covers Carrick's position, and adds another dimension to our team.
Your point could only be proven if no other team altered their squad.
Really?
Yes.
Hard to take your post seriously when you start it like this. He's been average everywhere else. In every game he's had at CB for more than a year he's been exceptional.
Did you not watch last season?
His best performances by far were as a CB, limited as they were. He's a future CB no doubt.
The only people who think Jones isn't a CB are the people who use him as an excuse for not needing to strengthen our midfield.
It's funny how we all worship Jones, but can't agree on any position he's particular good in. He's obviously an amazing footballer, just not in any specific position. LJBJ.
He is a brilliant defender whose general qualities make him suited for more positions. He has enough pace, tackling, hassling and energy to do well in midfield - but he will never be a Carrick or a Fabregas.
I'm not saying he can't be excellent there, but in his limited time there, he has not impressed me.
I don't think he's good in the middle or at right back. He is a CB, but has not had a decent run there to improve.
I don't think he's good in the middle or at right back. He is a CB, but has not had a decent run there to improve.
Speaking of Jones in the Fellaini thread, what about the number Jones did on Fellaini last season, completely negating the supposedly excellent midfielder from having any effect on the game?
Excellent job, and don't forget the 1st leg in Madrid.
You mean the same job he done on Ronaldo and Bale?
He did a similar number on Bale and Ronaldo.
It also completely killed our game from an attacking point of view because he's hopeless in midfield at doing anything other than running around and chasing people.
I think creating 5-6 excellent chances at the Bernabeu doesn't seem like a team whose attack is killed.
For those expressing shock at my evaluation of Jones' first 2 seasons (at CB) with us, where would you place him out of Rio, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Jones?
I have him at 5th. Is that unfair?
I have him at 5th. Is that unfair?
I'd have him 4th. He's better than Smalling for me, and has been when played in CB..
Rio,Vidic,Evans,Jones,Smalling.
I don't think Jones kills our attacks, the issue we have is ball retention and composure against high pressing teams.
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