I think that Fellaini (after Dembele) is the best midfielder in EPL outside top 4. I think he's better than Sandro so that's why I would have preferred him more than Sandro, even if we pay 5m more.
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I think that Fellaini (after Dembele) is the best midfielder in EPL outside top 4. I think he's better than Sandro so that's why I would have preferred him more than Sandro, even if we pay 5m more.
You thought that the season before last when he was playing in midfield did you? Care to link a few posts? He didnt play in CM last season so you cant possibly be suggesting that he suddenly became the best midfielder outside the top 4 when he wasnt even playing in midfield and somehow previously he wasnt.
It is a pretty big factor for Fellaini.
"If I'm leaving Everton, I say if, it will depend on lots of factors, I only want to go to a club where the manager really wants me. In 2008, Everton did everything to convince me, especially David Moyes. He made me the player I am now."
I think we all knew he'd like to join. The question is do we have any interest in him whatsoever? And so far it doesnt look like it at all.
I have been in mains only for a year, so couldn't say that here. Fellaini and Moyes have both said that his best position is in central midfield not as an attacking midfielder. While he wasn't ever my top choice (I would prefer a top midfielder obviously, or younger alternatives with much potential like Koke, Kongodbia or McCarthy) , I wouldn't be against his signing. I also think that a box to box midfielder (like I believe Fellaini can be) would suit us better than a defensive one. Never liked Sandro that much. Need anything else?
Yeah I'm sure 18 months ago you were on your rooftop shouting out that Fellaini is the best CM outside the top 4
I am sure that I don't care if you believe it or not.
It is only 3 weeks until the start of the season and we need to sign a midfielder. Signing Fellaini after being linked to Fabregas would feel like an anticlimax. Fellaini will improve us without a shadow of a doubt, but I don't think he'll improve us to such an extent as to warrant an inflated transfer fee. I'd be happy if we signed 2, maybe McCarthy and Fellaini, but if we only ended up with one I would be disappointed. I would have been happy with just Fabregas, not that I expected that to happen.
I think we would have wrapped up the deal by now if we really wanted him. He's available, probably at a price we can afford to pay and Moyes knows exactly what he can do. We wouldn't be waiting until the beginning of August to make a move when we could have had him for a pre-season. Even Everton would have prefered to sell him sooner as it'd give them the money to pursue McCarthy.
He's probably a back-up plan we are going to trigger once we are 100% sure that we're not getting Fabregas. Alternatively, we don't want him at all.
Quite understandably, Moyes would not want Fellaini to be his first transfer triumph.
Fellaini must feel really wanted considering it's a done deal but he's just not a big enough name to announce just yet 
Lower successful rate though.
I don't understand it anyway, is it such a big difference that one players makes 7 tackles in total in two consecutive games while the other makes 6? It doesn't make sense, all these stats seem pointless to me as the only measure of player's style and level. Stats tell me Britton is a better player than Cleverley, I don't buy it.
Everyone likes a trier.
They work to an extent. You couldn't base your whole opinion on it though which is why it's amusing when there are people who have probably only seen him in 5-10 games using his stats or whatever.
Over a season? Yes of course.
What are you talking about? Britton was gash last season. If you mean the season before that, yes he was better than Cleverley.
To which extent though? The difference between making 3.4 tackles and 2.9 tackles per game could simply be the difference in style of each team, the difference of approach of a player etc.
To the extent of successful tackles/unsuccessful tackles or successful passes/unsuccessful passes. If a player is making 80% of his tackles successful ones over a whole season he's doing a good job. They mean naff all if you just say he made 4 tackles though as they could all be fouls.
Those arent counted as tackles, they're counted as fouls funnily enough. Having a high percentage of a low amount of tackles purely suggests you didnt get into a position to make a tackle as much as the other guy.
I've been back and forth about the possibility of this signing all summer. On one hand he'd be a good back up to Carrick, on the other it's highly likely that he would take the place of Cleverley which I don't really want to see happen at all. At this point I'd rather just go for younger/cheaper cover for Carrick and make Cleverley his main partner (assuming we don't get Fabregas/Modric).
At worst, Fellaini will add some bite into our midfield -- something we lacked ever since the ex-Forrest player left.
What are you on about? I just said that 4/4 tackles could all be fouls rather than two being successful and two fouls. I never said unsuccessful tackles weren't classed as fouls.
Plus it doesn't suggest that at all? You do realise that sometimes players can double up on another player? So you may be in the correct position but due to having an extra man they make the tackle rather than you. Plus like Sarni said, depending on a teams playing style, you may not always be in a position to do so due to the tactics given to you, not because the player personally can't do it as well as the other guy. There are loads of variables to stats that can only be found out by a actually watching the player consistently.
Signing any established player this season, you are bound to get inflated fee. Paulinho went for 18m euro, Jovetic for 26m, and Fernandinho for 40m (transfermarkt.com). Those are for unproven PL players. For proven PL, Bale could go as high as 85m, and Suarez is valued more than 40m. And Fellaini was one of the best last season.
As I'm telling you all tackle numbers presented were won tackles, not fouls. Those would be foul stats which are recorded seperately.
If you win the ball you win the ball, if you stand someone up its not the same. You still have to recover the ball by some means. The opposition arent just going to give you the ball because you did well holding them up. A player who wins the ball more often, regardless of means (as long as its within the law) will be more useful defensively because it means you can transition into a phase on the ball. People will come up with all sorts of arguments, but the answer was yes. Yes it matters if you make more tackles over the course of the season because games are won and lost by fine margins. One tackle could lead to winning all the points available. And not making it could lead to getting nothing at all. But obviously you have to look at the whole spectrum of stats, not just whoever made the most tackles because if one player makes better use of the ball than the other, its going to shift whats most likely to happen. On this occasion not only did Cabaye recover the ball more in that season, he's also clearly a better passer of the ball and scored double the amount of goals Fellaini did from his CM position.
He's honestly not that bad. Remember our defeat to Everton last season when he was raiding and plundering through our anemic midfielders? He is a high octane Darren Fletcher and can be a very useful water carrier for our team.
His passing and ball control is seriously underrated on here.
It seems like everything about him is underrated on here. He's a very good player. He consistently gives teams problems. He's lauded for his physicality, yet immediately everyone assumes that we'd be a long ball team, lumping it up to him, as if that is the only way to use strength on the pitch. He's fantastic when the ball is on the ground, and at keeping it, as he can fend off markers with his massive frame. A great striker of the ball who is a huge asset from set pieces. RVP's corners + Fellaini's bonce? 100 goals a season.
I fail to understand why there is so much dread around signing a player who would immediately improve us. He's better than every midfielder we have except Carrick, though they offer different things. Carrick is better than Fellaini at the Carrick-role but Fellaini will be more of a brute off the ball, and more of a threat in attack. He would be a very sensible signing. Established, about to his his prime, one of the best performers in the league last season, versatile, very difficult to play against.
I'd be pretty chuffed if we got him.
Let's just get this done its a no brainier. I can see him playing a similar role to Toure at city.
Doesn't his clause expire today? I still think there's nothing to prove we are even interested.
Yeah, we could do worse than signing this fella.
Fellaini and Ander Herera (young, underpriced) and I'd be happy.
Touré was at his best for City when playing as the attacking midfielder behind the main striker. That is indeed Fellaini's best position as well but there's no way in hell we're going to play him there, unless Rooney leaves and Kagawa picks up an injury.
The release clause is ridiculous at £23M, he's not worth anything like that much.
According to the press it expires on August 14th, bit of a random date, but if true it buys more time.
Toure was great everywhere. He often moved up behind the striker later in the game, when they made their usual De Jong for Silva substitution, but he was still a machine in the middle during that title winning season, and also the season before it. He was great at running from deep and just charging through everyone. Scored alot of important goals when he played more advanced though, which made him even more valuable. Didn't score as much when playing in the middle, but still hugely important.
What would you say he is worth then? Providing age/ability. Then name someone who plays a similar position worth the same amount and think of recent transfers... IMO £23m isn't awful business by any means nowadays for a player like Fellaini
How is it ridiculous? He signed for £15m for Everton and has clearly improved over the past 5 years. Everton would want to make some decent profit on him so an extra £8m is perfectly reasonable.
I think 23m is a little steep for him, but at the same time it's not exactly outlandish to expect to pay that for him.
I'd say he's worth 19/20m. He's a decent midfielder who can defend well, albeit needs to work on his discipline a little bit. He's positionally aware, he's good with his feet. He's the bit of steel we need, and as many have said before, he'll add something different to our midfield.
And he's great in set pieces. Having RVP, Vidic, Carrick ,Rio and him defending in set pieces? Sounds very strong.
I'd say he's worth 19/20m. He's a decent midfielder who can defend well, albeit needs to work on his discipline a little bit. He's positionally aware, he's good with his feet. He's the bit of steel we need, and as many have said before, he'll add something different to our midfield.
And he's great in set pieces. Having RVP, Vidic, Carrick ,Rio and him defending in set pieces? Sounds very strong.
23 million isn't that much for a pretty young midfielder who has shown he is improving and causes teams problems, aswell as having a good few years experience at Everton.
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