Just naming and shaming an idiotic post. One of many these days. People are going nuts with the transfer uncertainty.
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Just naming and shaming an idiotic post. One of many these days. People are going nuts with the transfer uncertainty.
feck me - there are some really spoilt little brats on here. Fellaini is a quality player and would be outstanding in a united shirt. To say he is rubbish, crap, overrated etc is just talk of spoilt kids who play too much football manager.
One of Everton's top players for the last few seasons and yet so many people knock him on here.
There is nothing to say we are even in for him but i'd be over the moon if we signed him. A Fellaini/Carrick midfield pair would be solid, reliable and very difficult to play against.
One of Everton's top players for the last few seasons and yet so many people knock him on here.
There is nothing to say we are even in for him but i'd be over the moon if we signed him. A Fellaini/Carrick midfield pair would be solid, reliable and very difficult to play against.
Isn't it?
Don't get me wrong, jizz would be sprayed all over my ceiling were we to land the great former Arsenal midfielder but I'm not seeing ANY evidence that Barcelona want to sell him or that Fabregas wants to join United.
What I will concede is this -- the fact alone that United have made a bid for Fabregas suggests a belief on the part of United management that Fabregas is up for sale (in contrast to Messi, who is most definitely NOT up for sale), but none of us mere posters have any knowledge to support a belief that Fabregas either wants or would be willing to go to United.
He's right in the sense Gibson doesn't play for Ireland, so isn't an International footballer.
Is Gibson an international footballer? Nope. He's disqualified himself for selection due to not being selected for a very poor Irish team. Fellaini on the other hand is pretty much a first choice on a very good Belgium team.
Therefore your little WUM point failed on two fronts.
1) It was a shit comparison because Belgium>Ireland
2) It was factually incorrect as Gibson is not an international.
He's no more an International than Paul McGrath is. Sure why don't we get McGrath. He could always do a job in midfield.
Utter Rubbish.
I hope you are WUM'ing? If not, you should try watching some football on TV!
It wasn't a wum, I merely pointed out that gaz1185's argument was a stupid one.
Gibson did not retire from international duty, he just pulled out of the squad twice. He's still a 25-year-old player with PL and international experience so by gaz1185's logic he would be a great addition to any squad. (saying that someone who's not part of his country's latest squad is not an international footballer is a bit problematic; I assume you don't consider Smalling an international footballer then?)
But okay. Would you want Mignolet? Belgium international, PL proven. Hasn't worked with Moyes though, that's true. Still, should we get him (ignore the fact he went to Liverpool)?
Fellaini spent five years at an upper mid-table PL side and is a key player for one of the European "middleweight" national teams. That alone is no basis for Manchester United to sign him.
Making us more effective as a team helps bring us closer to the likes of Bayern and Barca. We have relied far too heavily on Carrick to fulfill the defensive duties in midfield. Surely a bit of help for Carrick can only free up our attacking players to concentrate more on what they do best, while leaving us less exposed in the middle when we lose possession.
He has refused to be make himself available for selection since the Euros. Your information is balderdash. Would I take Mignolet? Sure, he would be an improvement to our squad.
As for your last line, if that's what you mean then say that. Don't act dumb by making comparisons to Gibson which is clearly not what gaz was intending. There's a big difference between levels of international football. Thiago couldn't get a game for Spain but just because he's not a full international doesn't mean he's shit. Gaz's point was fair enough, Fellaini is a very good player, playing in a position we are very weak in, has strong credentials and experience working well with our manager.
This deal will happen so a lot of you better get off your high horses.
He still did not retire from international football. Trapattoni even said the door is open for him. He pulled out of the squad then turned down a call-up later, it's all.
Yes, there's a big difference in levels of international football but being an international means feck ALL. It doesn't mean that Fellaini is good enough for Manchester United.
Fellaini is a good player who got most of the praise for playing in a position where we don't need him at all, behind the main striker. It remains to be seen if he's Manchester United quality in central midfield. And it's probably you who should get off his high horse and stop insulting others just because they don't think that Fellaini is the second coming of Roy Keane and Bryan Robson combined.
Several points arising from this pile of steaming shit.
- I didn't insult you.
- Being an international footballer for a top team doesn't mean feck all. It's confirmation of your credentials.
- I don't think he's the second coming of anything. I said consistently that I think he's a good player who will really improve our squad.
- I didn't say Gibson retired. I said he's not an international which currently he is not.
- Is a constantly unfit Anderson Manchester United quality? What does that even mean? The only quesiton to ask is would he significantly improve us and the obvious answer is yes.
Wow, thought I'd easily gone too far to be believable.
Are you actually for real? I wasn't making this the whole reason why we should be signing someone like Fellaini, I was merely pointing out some additional factors that would work in our favour if we were to sign him. I wasn't suggesting that we should be signing players just based on those specific categories! And how on earth from what I said did you come to think that I meant signing some who's not part of his countries squad is problematic!? Your argument is just beyond ridiculous and the more you spew out the pathetic you're coming across. Think before you jump to conclusions!
Not really. There's actually enough who genuinely think like that to make that post believable.
Jeez, why are all you Fellaini fans so aggressive?
A 25yr old International footballer with 5 years of Premier League experience under his belt, and not to mention the past experience of working with our current manager.
And you added that such a player would be a good addition to any squad. This was your original point which I replied to, disagreeing. I pointed out that in the grand scheme of things, all this means feck all.
And I never said that signing someone who's not part of his country's squad is problematic, that part was about the difficulties in classifying someone as an international. Learn to read, please, before jumping to the insults.
Unfortunately there are an awful lot of players who are better than Anderson and would improve our squad but we shouldn't spend over 20M on them. Gareth Barry would improve our squad, so would John Obi Mikel but neither are worth over 20m. Or half of that. Anderson is very disappointing with his constant problems so it's easy to find someone who's a significant improvement over him: any half-decent PL midfielder who's regularly fit and available. Jordan Henderson would improve our squad. We had a defender playing in central midfield against Real Madrid, it doesn't take much to improve our squad in central midfield.
Fellaini isn't an international for a top team. Belgium, for all their promise and potential, haven't even made Euro 2012. They'll probably be there at the next World Cup but that still doesn't make them a top team.
OK, forget Gibson then if you are determined to be pedantic about it. I'll remember the definition from now: international footballers are only those who are part of their country's latest squads. Carles Puyol or Isco or Chris Smalling are not.
One last point: I don't know why the Fellaini fans seem to be so militant. It's like you're not allowed to not rate him. Yes, I don't think he's the type of player Manchester United should go for. He does not have the passing range or the awareness of a top midfielder and while he's an excellent target man that's not what we need. He'd be okay as a pure spoiler, to annoy and harass opponents when we park the bus but again, that's not the style I'd like to see from United.
You miss the word 'significantly' when I was talking about improving our squad.
He's not just a spoiler. Watch some of the best passing moves performed by Everton last season and he's involved in them all. He can be deployed as a destroyer but he's much much more than that.
I have no issue with people not rating and not wanting Fellaini, in fact I understand where a lot of it stems from. What I have an issue is with ridiculous posts comparing him to players who he is much better than or those saying he's dogshite. Put simply, if you express an opinion in a sensible way then no-one will jump down your throat.
No, I did not miss the word. I'm saying that a significant improvement over Anderson is still not worth 20m+. I think we can do better than Fellaini; just look at how much Gündogan and Vidal cost their respective clubs and both players are miles better than Fellaini. There must be some cheap gems out there - or if we break the bank, let's break it for someone who's top class.
I don't know but I do not have a worldwide scouting network. Benfica's Matic is supposed to be really good (though he probably wouldn't be cheap, rather the opposite...) but I only saw him a couple of times and there's that Herrera kid playing for Bilbao, another one who looked good for me but again, I only saw him a few times so I'm not sure if any of them is the right one. The club, however, should do its homework about these players and of course I have no reason to think they didn't. So we'll see what happens.
The issue with these type of players is that it's clearly not what the club is prioritising this summer. We have been looking to sign experienced midfielders who can make an immediate impact and not delay in settling in. I fear that's why we didn't close up the Thiago deal quickly enough and it's the reason we keep pushing for Cesc. These players you mention (esp Herrera) are by all accounts great prospects but not the Prem proven players Moyes seems to be focusing on for various reasons. I think he's looking to hit the ground running and buying players he knows are equipped for the premier league even paying slightly over the odds is much less of a gamble in Moyes year one.
Well that makes sense, of course - except that I think the Thiago deal failed to materialise simply because of Guardiola. If Moyes does want a PL-proven midfielder who can do a job defensively then he's got very few options... well, one, in all likelihood. Though there have been some rumours about Cabaye and I'd prefer him. He's not exactly a destroyer, wouldn't even call him defensive-minded but he's strong (even though he's small) and intelligent and a good passer. He couldn't hold the midfield alone the way Carrick sometimes does but would be a good backup for him in certain games.
I'd take McCarthy over Fellaini tbh. Has the potential to be better than Fellaini and has only played 23 less PL games than him as it is, despite being three years younger. He would also be cheaper, more suited to our style and is the closest thing to like-for-like cover for Carrick I can think of. Plus even if he didn't live up to his potential we'd probably get most of our outlay back when we sold him on.
YOu could of course be right about Thiago as it's pure guesswork on my part saying the club baulked. Cabaye would be a good buy but you get the feeling the Fellaini deal will be much more straightforward and at a similar price.
Hard one because they are just completely different players. The problem with McCarthy is that we have Clev who is very similar but not as good IMO so we perhaps don't need him as much. I think McCarthy is just a non started anyway or we would have heard some talk about it by now.
He's so far detached from a world class centre midfielder its not even funny. Whoever thinks he is a world class cm is off their fecking rocker, imho.
He's better than Cleverley and Anderson therefore he'd get straight into our midfield at the moment.
I don't think anyone has ever called him a worldie.
He's walking into our team though and will make us a much stronger side.
That's still not enough of a reason to sign him
To be fair, nobody said he was a world class CM. At least I don't remember anyone saying that.
To be fair you are probably right, I just don't rate him full stop. Especially not as a centre midfielder
No, the reasons we will sign him are those I put in post 2263 though.
I actually did a search in this thread of the words 'world class' and it appears 30 times and everyone is someone saying he's not world class so can we drop the notion people are over rating him here.
I want him, I think he is something we lack with his physicality and bite. He's nowhere near as bad technically as some like to think.
we best ring the date in the diary his release clause expires, just in case we need a different approach...
With all these talks of signing him up or not, have we ever been linked up with Fellaini ? Have there been rumors about him ?
he absolutely would. There's so much of his game we could do with and if you think he can't play football and pass you are very wrong. watch a few videos of him.
There's a common misconception that he's just a big donkey, but he's got loads more to his game with very good feet.
Only rumors in Mirror and few other sources but it's way too weak to bring something serious to discussion, so far.
I'm always wary of youtube compilations you could Kilbane look good in one! No doubt he is a useful player I'm not denying that and he's very effective in the role he's used in for Everton. But I just don't see him as a Manchester United player, esp not as a centre midfielder. Could be proved wrong yet though.
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