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Cina said:
Because he's overpriced and we can do better?
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Yes, but, who though?

Someone like Wanyama may cost around £15m, who in theory would be great, hes very powerful and pushes us forward, however he may dejmba at the knees if he came here. Fellaini is proven and turns up in the big games. I would rather us spend that extra 5m for that guarantee.

I would love us to get someone like Thiago, but even then i think we lack steel in midfield and would like us to sign someone along the line of Fellaini.
 
starman said:
Yes, but, who though?

Someone like Wanyama may cost around £15m, who in theory would be great, hes very powerful and pushes us forward, however he may dejmba at the knees if he came here. Fellaini is proven and turns up in the big games. I would rather us spend that extra 5m for that guarantee.

I would love us to get someone like Thiago, but even then i think we lack steel in midfield and would like us to sign someone along the line of Fellaini.
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You are talking a great deal of sense today. Fellaini is only 25 I might add and can still develop as a player

Everyone shouting about other options needs to start suggesting them as I am not sure there are as many as people like to think.

For what it is worth I am not mad keen to sign Fellaini, but I can see the logic in it and I do think it would improve us in the middle of the park.
 
TheReligion said:
You are talking a great deal of sense today. Fellaini is only 25 I might add and can still develop as a player

Everyone shouting about other options needs to start suggesting them as I am not sure there are as many as people like to think.

For what it is worth I am not mad keen to sign Fellaini, but I can see the logic in it and I do think it would improve us in the middle of the park.
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Just today:(

I don't think Fellaini is anyone's first choice, but for those who are open to signing him realise the lack of a physical dominating force in midfield
 
TheReligion said:
You are talking a great deal of sense today. Fellaini is only 25 I might add and can still develop as a player

Everyone shouting about other options needs to start suggesting them as I am not sure there are as many as people like to think.

For what it is worth I am not mad keen to sign Fellaini, but I can see the logic in it and I do think it would improve us in the middle of the park.
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Exactly and if he improves us does it really matter what he costs? I don't think so as long as it doesn't mean the fans having to pay for it.

The thing that has really sold me on Fellaini is the fact that he can play with, or, instead of, any of our current midfielders and even Kagawa if we need to. He gives us another option as well as a goal threat from the middle of the park which we're currently lacking. Although not a reason to sign him in itself, surely the thought of Van Persie whipping corners in for Fellaini and Vidic would scare the shit out of opponents. We'd probably be more likely to score from a corner than a penalty if this season is anything to go by.:lol:

He may not be exciting to some, but, I would definitely be excited to see what he could offer us. Keane and Carrick weren't exactly 'exciting' and it's not as though bringing in Fellaini will mean we won't bring in another flair player everyone seems so desperate for.

The more I think about it, the more I really want us to get him.
 
I don't for a second expect Fellaini to be a "non-factor" or a "downgrade" even, if he came here.
He would be a good addition, but there are a few others that I'd rather try and sign (Gundogan, Thiago, Strootman, possibly one of the Bender bros).

People shouldn't however use "Fellaini not fitting into our style" as an excuse.
First of all "our style" isn't our style anymore, Ferguson has retired and Moyes isn't the same person.
Second, even Moyes' style at Everton won't be the same as the one he'll use here.
For one thing Moyes never had any money to work with, and the talent of players at his disposal was significantly less than the amount of talent he has to work with here.
The way he set up at Everton was the best way to utilize what he had there, it would be foolish to think he won't adapt (and continue to adapt as he gains more experience) United's style of play and make it his own, only this time a style that's not "limited" by lack of funds and subsequently lack of talent.

I mean sure, we're no Monaco/PSG/City/Chelsea in terms of transfer movie available, but cash is available if the need arises, atleast that's what Ferguson told us and it was evident (atleast) last year when we almost signed Moura and Hazard for huge sums of money on top of other signings, not to mention we're bound to get rid of the debt sooner or later the way the Glazers are chipping away at it with all the deals, so Moyes should have the capability of making a couple of impactful signings even now, let alone down the road.
 
Mainoldo said:
His name could be Lilly Allen for all i care.

Not sure how McCarthy became a more than average football playing in a side that he helped get relegated. I've seen him he looks tidy doesn't mean he is United quality. Britton consistently looks tidy and Allen was more than jus average at Swansea fact was it was for Swansea. Barcelona has made people obsessed by players who play 5 yard passes.
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Not sure how I can convince you that McCarthy is better than that, beyond saying he's been consistently highly rated by those who see Wigan regularly. As an example, here's what Rory Smith from The Times had to say about him:

"I think it would almost be a waste for McCarthy to move to a top four club, if I was him I'd go abroad. I think McCarthy is a genuinely top quality midfielder, maybe not Real Madrid or Barcelona, but he can play for anyone he wants."

McCarthy's ability and potential is more comparable to Carrick's at the same age rather than someone like Joe Allen. He's also tactically aware and versatile, he apparently did an excellent man-marking job on Bale earlier in the season, something that wouldn't be his game naturally.

Not sure the fact that his team was relegated proves much about his ability, as Carrick proved when he was relegated with West Ham in 2003 (in a squad that was much more talented than this Wigan one).
 
OGkush said:
I don't for a second expect Fellaini to be a "non-factor" or a "downgrade" even, if he came here.
He would be a good addition, but there are a few others that I'd rather try and sign (Gundogan, Thiago, Strootman, possibly one of the Bender bros).

People shouldn't however use "Fellaini not fitting into our style" as an excuse.
First of all "our style" isn't our style anymore, Ferguson has retired and Moyes isn't the same person.
Second, even Moyes' style at Everton won't be the same as the one he'll use here.
For one thing Moyes never had any money to work with, and the talent of players at his disposal was significantly less than the amount of talent he has to work with here.
The way he set up at Everton was the best way to utilize what he had there, it would be foolish to think he won't adapt (and continue to adapt as he gains more experience) United's style of play and make it his own, only this time a style that's not "limited" by lack of funds and subsequently lack of talent.

I mean sure, we're no Monaco/PSG/City/Chelsea in terms of transfer movie available, but cash is available if the need arises, atleast that's what Ferguson told us and it was evident (atleast) last year when we almost signed Moura and Hazard for huge sums of money on top of other signings, not to mention we're bound to get rid of the debt sooner or later the way the Glazers are chipping away at it with all the deals.
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Very good post!

First. I'm 100% sure that Moyes and Fergie had long discussions about being a manager for a club like United, and they will probably continue to talk whenever it's necessary. If the old man was a mentor to half of the the new guard of managers in the PL why wouldn't he do the same to Moyes?

Secondly. Any new manager who wan't to comptete at the highest level needs to adapt to modern international football. Bayern and Dortmund had raised the bar and Barcelona is not be far of, not to mention all the new mega rich clubs who is entering the stage. Atm all the top clubs in PL are one step below the Germans regarding tactic and gameplans. If Moyes modernise our tactic and formation and bring in two three world class players we are up there with them but that means signings like Thiago and Felliani in mf, and if possible the muppet dream boy Mr Bale. This is what we need to close the gap to the Bavarian giant. Carrick and Clev would be chicken food against Schweiny and Martinez, not to mention the rest of the Pep set up.

I'm totally confident that Moyes will add more energy and higher pressure on the ball holder to his new team, we will be much more hard to break down then the last two seasons. Even if we won it this season we where lucky, to many times we where to defensive and gave away the momentum to easy. Only luck and individual briliance saved us in some games.

Moyes wasn't my first choice but now he's here and I will totally back him intill results proves me wrong.
 
sullydnl said:
Not sure how I can convince you that McCarthy is better than that, beyond saying he's been consistently highly rated by those who see Wigan regularly. As an example, here's what Rory Smith from The Times had to say about him:

"I think it would almost be a waste for McCarthy to move to a top four club, if I was him I'd go abroad. I think McCarthy is a genuinely top quality midfielder, maybe not Real Madrid or Barcelona, but he can play for anyone he wants."

McCarthy's ability and potential is more comparable to Carrick's at the same age rather than someone like Joe Allen. He's also tactically aware and versatile, he apparently did an excellent man-marking job on Bale earlier in the season, something that wouldn't be his game naturally.

Not sure the fact that his team was relegated proves much about his ability, as Carrick proved when he was relegated with West Ham in 2003 (in a squad that was much more talented than this Wigan one).
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What the hell does that mean? And if not Barca or Real then who? I doubt he'd be getting in Bayern or Dortmund's team, so who else is there where he'd be playing in as good a league as the PL and for as good a team as United, Chelsea or City?
 
I really want us to sign Fellaini. It's about time we had a physical presence in midfield, and he's a threat going forward. Basically everything we've needed for a number of seasons.
 
Care_de_Bobo said:
What the hell does that mean? And if not Barca or Real then who? I doubt he'd be getting in Bayern or Dortmund's team, so who else is there where he'd be playing in as good a league as the PL and for as good a team as United, Chelsea or City?
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:lol: Hey, it's his opinion, not mine! I'd imagine he meant it in the sense that he thinks McCarthy is technically good enough to get into top sides across Europe, as opposed to being the Scotty Parker type that the English game cherishes. I was just using that quote to point how how highly some people rate McCarthy.
 
sullydnl said:
:lol: Hey, it's his opinion, not mine! I'd imagine he meant it in the sense that he thinks McCarthy is technically good enough to get into top sides across Europe, as opposed to being the Scotty Parker type that the English game cherishes. I was just using that quote to point how how highly some people rate McCarthy.
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Yeah that's fair enough not criticising you or your opinion, just thought that was a really odd comment from the writer. I agree with you for what it's worth, McCarthy looks a great prospect.
 
TheReligion said:
Just a quick comparison with Fellaini and our other CM's

Fellaini - 12 goals - 8 assists

Carrick - 2 goals - 6 assists
Anderson - 2 goals - 5 assists
Cleverley - 4 goals - 6 assists
Giggs - 5 goals - 6 assists

Kagawa - 7 goals - 8 assists
Rooney - 16 goals - 15 assists

I have included Kagawa and Rooney as Fellaini has played further forward at times for Everton this season himself.

As you can see there is only Kagawa who matches him in terms of assists and only Rooney (a CF) who surpasses him in terms of both.

Anyone who sees the signing as poor needs to take a closer look at our options in the middle of the park.
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well said...surprisingly from you
 
I was speaking to an Arse and Liverpool mate of mine today and they both really rate him. The Arse fan would have loved to have had him over Arteta and the Pool fan while not wanting Fellini himself due to the Everton ties would love a player of his ilk.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
I was speaking to an Arse and Liverpool mate of mine today and they both really rate him. The Arse fan would have loved to have had him over Arteta and the Pool fan while not wanting Fellini himself due to the Everton ties would love a player of his ilk.
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Areteta's the better player of what I've seen of them.

He'd be a very good addition to our squad, no doubt about that. Its just that it'll cost 20mil or so to get him and most would rather have us spend bit more and get someone top drawer.
 
I've said from day 1 that I'd love him + another. It's not like we don't have the funds.

Also, I disagree with you about Arteta being a better player. It's debatable but certainly not clear.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
I've said from day 1 that I'd love him + another. It's not like we don't have the funds.

Also, I disagree with you about Arteta being a better player. It's debatable but certainly not clear.
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Yep, I dont see how we can address the midfield issues with 1 signing only unless we sign a complete package which are very rare in today's specialist roles that players get trained in. We need both a player that can play in place of Carrick and one to play with him.

Regarding Arteta and him, Arteta's passing and attacking qualities in general are much superior imo. Defensively, fellaini might edge it though Arteta is very good and imo not inferior to Fellaini.
 
Would there even be a serious discussion here about Fellaini if Moyes were not the incoming manager of United?
 
Ruud10 said:
Would there even be a serious discussion here about Fellaini if Moyes were not the incoming manager of United?
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Why not? people 2 seasons back were raving about him.

I personally think he would do a good job here, and certainly give us a different option off the bench even if he does not start.

Since when have we ever had a real aerial threat since perhaps RVN?.
 
Kid Cunto said:
I don't think so.
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Me neither. I couldn't see people hoping Fergie bought him this summer if he hadn't retired. We hadn't been hoping for him the last few transfer windows and its not like he's been in fantastic form lately either for him to be flavour of the month.
 
Ruud10 said:
Would there even be a serious discussion here about Fellaini if Moyes were not the incoming manager of United?
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Perhaps not so much but this thread goes back to April 2010 and is you just take a moment to read the first page there the opinions are almost exactly the same as the last 10 pages. Some people think he's shite, some think he's really good and some are in the middle.

Of course the fact that Moyes is our manager means that this will be a hotter topic for discussion because managers usually bring a few players from their old sides in with them and Fellini & Baines are the stand out players for Everton. We have a top player in Baines position and we are hopelessly short in Fellini's position so it's natural that this will be a hot thread.
 
LR7 said:
Me neither. I couldn't see people hoping Fergie bought him this summer if he hadn't retired. We hadn't been hoping for him the last few transfer windows and its not like he's been in fantastic form lately either for him to be flavour of the month.
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:lol:

You're kidding right!??
 
Some people really don't rate him. They might come up with this name or that name. I bet in the late nineties when we were after Yorke and Kluivert the majority would have preferred the latter. The fact is, until someone pulls the shirt on, we simply don't know. He's a good player.
 
Striker10 said:
Some people really don't rate him. They might come up with this name or that name. I bet in the late nineties when we were after Yorke and Kluivert the majority would have preferred the latter. The fact is, until someone pulls the shirt on, we simply don't know. He's a good player.
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Bingo.

Some of our hero's have been unsung players who arrived without much fanfare.
 
What we do know is that mentality wise, Fellaini enjoys the big games, is pretty consistent, a hard worker who plays for the team. I agree until he pulls on the jersey we cannot be sure, but those are probably the right traits for any prospective signing.
 
Ruud10 said:
Would there even be a serious discussion here about Fellaini if Moyes were not the incoming manager of United?
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Well this thread is 3 years old for a start....

Fellaini has been a good midfielder in the PL for a number of years now and has been mentioned every summer as a potential signing, so yeah I think there probably would be.
 
I think that Fellani and Thiago would be two excellent additions. They both bring something to our midfield that we are lacking at the moment and are current upgrades on all our midfielders bar Carrick.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
I think that Fellani and Thiago would be two excellent additions. They both bring something to our midfield that we are lacking at the moment and are current upgrades on all our midfielders bar Carrick.
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Completely agree, it would be a brillaint window if we could bring those two in.

Thiago on his own is great but I think it leaves us light against the best midfields and it doesn't do anything to fix the over-reliance on Carrick for the defensive work.
 
He'll have to play in a deeper role than he has been playing for Everton, but that's his proffered position by all accounts. I think he'd be a great signing for us, and another option for us to go with. He understands and is accustomed to Moyes' style of management, and as I say, I think he'd be a quality signing.

Best thing about last season for me was how adaptable we were, and how we were able to change our game depending on how it was going, or the opposition etc... . Fellini would give us yet another option, and would fill a role that we have been lacking quality in for a while now.
 
If we sign Fellaini and another midfielder like Thiago, I'd be okay with the transfer. But if Fellaini is the midfield signing that is supposed to solve our problems, then I'm not having that and I'd prefer to stick with Cleverley.

As a midifelder his passings decent and he's good going forward, but his defensive work in midfield is poor. Considering most peoples reason for wanting him here is to add steel to our midfield, he's not the guy, unless adding steel means committing a foul with nearly every challenge he makes.

On the other hand, he could be a very useful for us. He could be a midfield squad player who can come in every now and then and do a job in midfield against lesser opposition. He can also be used as an impact sub if we are chasing a game and the oppposition is sitting back allowing us to attack and whip crosses in. He'd be like a midfield version of Hernandez.
 
TheReligion said:
Just a quick comparison with Fellaini and our other CM's

Fellaini - 12 goals - 8 assists

Carrick - 2 goals - 6 assists
Anderson - 2 goals - 5 assists
Cleverley - 4 goals - 6 assists
Giggs - 5 goals - 6 assists

Kagawa - 7 goals - 8 assists
Rooney - 16 goals - 15 assists

I have included Kagawa and Rooney as Fellaini has played further forward at times for Everton this season himself.

As you can see there is only Kagawa who matches him in terms of assists and only Rooney (a CF) who surpasses him in terms of both.

Anyone who sees the signing as poor needs to take a closer look at our options in the middle of the park.
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This is comparing apples and oranges though. Those who have equal or higher output than him are those who play in the same areas as him. Now, if he'd posted those figures while playing in the same areas as Carrick etc I'd have said fair enough, but if you're going to compare his output to a defensive midfielder who played all season in that position, when Fellaini hasn't, you might as well throw Evra and Evans in there too.

You're welcome to your opinion, I just don't agree. Live and let live and all that.
 
The Neviller said:
This is comparing apples and oranges though. Those who have equal or higher output than him are those who play in the same areas as him. Now, if he'd posted those figures while playing in the same areas as Carrick etc I'd have said fair enough, but if you're going to compare his output to a defensive midfielder who played all season in that position, when Fellaini hasn't, you might as well throw Evra and Evans in there too.

You're welcome to your opinion, I just don't agree. Live and let live and all that.
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I've included Kagawa and Rooney, even though Rooney plays further forward, to give everyone an idea of his figures this season at a club that statistically has fewer chances and less of the ball than United.

Not sure how anyone can say he wouldn't improve us, I really can't.
 
The Neviller said:
This is comparing apples and oranges though. Those who have equal or higher output than him are those who play in the same areas as him. Now, if he'd posted those figures while playing in the same areas as Carrick etc I'd have said fair enough, but if you're going to compare his output to a defensive midfielder who played all season in that position, when Fellaini hasn't, you might as well throw Evra and Evans in there too.

You're welcome to your opinion, I just don't agree. Live and let live and all that.
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He may well play the deeper role for us more than he has for Everton recently, but he'll still be in the box for all set pieces, so a lot of the threat will still be there.
 
The fact that he'd probably improve our squad is a pretty poor indicator of how good he is. For a club of our stature our centre midfield is quite frankly, pathetic. Fellaini has added £10m onto his value by playing as a second forward and affecting the game almost exclusively by being a big curly haired awkward elbowing cnut.

He's not a poor player but we should be looking for better footballers who have the legs and the engine to put in the shift like the best midfielders around have been doing. I find it hard to believe our scouting network can not find a player to improve our midfield for under £30m. We could probably get 5 for that price.
 
Steven Seagull said:
The fact that he'd probably improve our squad is a pretty poor indicator of how good he is. For a club of our stature our centre midfield is quite frankly, pathetic. Fellaini has added £10m onto his value by playing as a second forward and affecting the game almost exclusively by being a big curly haired awkward elbowing cnut.

He's not a poor player but we should be looking for better footballers who have the legs and the engine to put in the shift like the best midfielders around have been doing. I find it hard to believe our scouting network can not find a player to improve our midfield for under £30m. We could probably get 5 for that price.
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See that's just complete BS.
 
Goooose said:
I really want us to sign Fellaini. It's about time we had a physical presence in midfield, and he's a threat going forward. Basically everything we've needed for a number of seasons.
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Good post ! Agree will give us a new dimension. He always plays well against us. Somehow I think Moyes will not upset everton and go for him.
 
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