Fellaini

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apotheosis said:
A couple of over-exaggerations in your first paragraph. I remember a small portion of everton fans booing after a few poor performances, most notably Wigan. So a few fans not all, and hardly for the whole of the second half of the season.

Where did i suggest fantastic? I said they played some pretty good football and even without a regular goalscorer still managed to get 6th ahead of big spending Liverpool who have far better players. I claimed it was testament to their general effectiveness that they could achieve such a feat.

You are not alone in not wanting Fellaini, but i think he would give us that physicality and determination we often lack in midfield and would compliment Carricks ability. Similar to what Fletcher offered and for me we've missed that type of desire in the big games of late.
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You accuse me of exaggeration then suggest I implied that every Everton fan booed for the entire second half of the season!

I just feel some of our fans are so desperate for a CM because we haven't signed one in so long and it's obviously an area we need to strengthen that even Fellaini seems desirable when he's far from good enough for us. He's good enough for Everton and a good Moyes signing for Everton but not what I'd like to see in our midfield at all. It's my opinion. I can't think of a single reason why Fellaini would be a good signing for us. I'd rather Diame :lol: I don't want Diame
 
alastair said:
Fair enough. Maybe I am being a little harsh on him. It's going to be fascinating to see how Moyes adapts to being manager of a really top club and who he signs.
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He's been there 10 years and signed a shedload of players - you'd think at least ONE would be a superbuy... but no.
 
Raees said:


If Moyes thinks he's good enough, who are we to argue... he's better than our current midfield options, but I'd still want to see a ball-player come in like a Gundogan and Thiago as well.
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He fecking destroyed us that game. Completely and utterly destroyed us.

Godfather said:
I think he had more touches with his chest/head than he had with his feet in that game.
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Yeah, and his chest alone was better than our entire midfield. Says a lot doesn't it.

I've also seen Fellini play his part in some great one touch pass and move football leading to great chances. The man is a very versatile footballer, and just because his stand out performances against big teams have been doing a certain job doesn't mean he can't play another way too. He's got several strings to his bow.

Formation for next year.


DDG
Evra Vidic CB Raf
Carrick
CM Fellini
Kagawa
Rooney RVP
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We still have loads of options of the bench and loads of options for formations, but I think with Carrick pulling the strings in the QB role and screening the defense, The fullbacks providing loads of width assisted by the forwards running the corners, Fellini breaking up play as well as being a great target for DDG, a strong creative CM beside him, and then allow the forward three the freedom to interchange and terrify defenses. We can easily switch to a 442 by taking off one of the forward 5 and putting on one or two wingers. We could change to a 451 by dropping in two wingers or playing one with Kagawa out of position.

I'd be really excited if we got him. I think we need someone there who can kick arse and I think if we got him he would win over the OT crowd really quickly.
 
alastair said:
Get your bets on Arsenal winning the league next year.
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Your allowed to dream!
It'll be interesting to see if Wenger goes for proven, top players rather than just good players with potential. That's what I think will elevate you from just challenging for 3rd/4th.

I wouldn't mind you pipping us to Fellaini. ;)
 
That video is the reason why a lot of people are unsure (or sure they don't want him). He just doesn't play there the role we need. Most of the pieces there are with him around or inside the box. The standard he shows there is a little irrelevant. We need someone to play deeper. Of course he can play there as well, he's a midfield player. But can he play as well there? The answer is unknown. He may be able to make the step up when needed for a role like that at a club like United. That's for the manager to decide.
 
Amir said:
That video is the reason why a lot of people are unsure (or sure they don't want him). He just doesn't play there the role we need. Most of the pieces there are with him around or inside the box. The standard he shows there is a little irrelevant. We need someone to play deeper. Of course he can play there as well, he's a midfield player. But can he play as well there? The answer is unknown. He may be able to make the step up when needed for a role like that at a club like United. That's for the manager to decide.
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It's not unknown. Watch any game he played for Everton against a lesser team and he played a deeper role. It was only against the top teams he played that forward role.

He's a great player and playing in a team that dominates most teams would allow for him to sit around/in-front of Carrick and break up play involve himself in our attacking play.

Let me ask another question? He got 12 goals for Everton last season, and playing for a better team who will win more corners, set pieces and deliver the ball better one would expect he would get the same again. How useful would 12 goals from midfield be for us??
 
Ramshock said:
Fergie retires and Gooners repopulate this forum, coincidence?
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Like grinning vultures sitting in the trees. Waiting to feast on the rotting carcasses of Man Utd's failed efforts in the PL/CL in years to come.
 
Godfather said:
I think he had more touches with his chest/head than he had with his feet in that game.
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Not sure if this is supposed to be a dig at him but would you prefer he collected balls played into him at head or chest height with his feet?
 
LR7 said:
You accuse me of exaggeration then suggest I implied that every Everton fan booed for the entire second half of the season!

I just feel some of our fans are so desperate for a CM because we haven't signed one in so long and it's obviously an area we need to strengthen that even Fellaini seems desirable when he's far from good enough for us. He's good enough for Everton and a good Moyes signing for Everton but not what I'd like to see in our midfield at all. It's my opinion. I can't think of a single reason why Fellaini would be a good signing for us. I'd rather Diame :lol: I don't want Diame
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here is your exact quote:

"I distinctly remember Everton fans booing the negative style of play employed in the second half of this season"

Why would i not take that as meaning Everton fans in general, since you didn't specify otherwise? Anyway i take your point, but don't be surprised if it happens. If you were in Moyes position would you buy a talented but unknown quantity from abroad for £30m, or would you spend £20m on someone who you know as a player and a person and who knows you and what you expect?

i'll be astonished if moyes goes out and blows £30m plus on a modric or a Fabregas. I think he will instill a different system and team ethic with what we already have and see who best fits it. I can see Baines and fellaini coming in to supplement what we already have. Other moves will depend on who leaves or not.
 
There's nothing incorrect in that quote. Everton fans did boo in the second half of this season. It neither says every single Everton fan, or every single game in that period.

Moyes shouldn't be picking the safe option, because its nice and comfortable and familiar for him. He should be doing what's best for our club going forward. I'm sure our scouts will have identified players previously, as will he, and I don't see why they will all be £30m unknown.

No point debating this forever anyway because no matter how much we do we aren't going to know his plans. I've made it clear I don't think Fellaini is the right fit for Manchester United and I stand by that.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
It's not unknown. Watch any game he played for Everton against a lesser team and he played a deeper role. It was only against the top teams he played that forward role.

He's a great player and playing in a team that dominates most teams would allow for him to sit around/in-front of Carrick and break up play involve himself in our attacking play.

Let me ask another question? He got 12 goals for Everton last season, and playing for a better team who will win more corners, set pieces and deliver the ball better one would expect he would get the same again. How useful would 12 goals from midfield be for us??
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Yes it's called applying specific tactics that enable lesser teams to win against bigger teams. you would think that finding a way to dominate a superior opponent would be cause for some credit, but no. We have to belittle and discredit such tactics to better justify our own failure to deal with it.

If SAF had done something similar it would be a masterstroke no doubt, but when it happens to us it must be treated with disdain.
 
It's funny how you're not allowed to not rate a player because some people rate him or we've been linked with him. I wouldn't want Fellaini if Ferguson signed him either.

I wouldn't want him here if the Almighty God himself delivered him to Old Trafford on a fluffy cloud with a silver lining.
 
Amir said:
That video is the reason why a lot of people are unsure (or sure they don't want him). He just doesn't play there the role we need. Most of the pieces there are with him around or inside the box. The standard he shows there is a little irrelevant. We need someone to play deeper. Of course he can play there as well, he's a midfield player. But can he play as well there? The answer is unknown. He may be able to make the step up when needed for a role like that at a club like United. That's for the manager to decide.
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It's not unknown at all. He's a midfielder. He's had to play up top because of an injury crisis.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
I think we need someone there who can kick arse and I think if we got him he would win over the OT crowd really quickly.
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I think you're spot on here, can definitely see the fans taking to him after he puts it about in centre mid. Obviously I would rather someone like Vidal but Fellaini would be absolutely fine IMO
 
peterstorey said:
Like grinning vultures sitting in the trees. Waiting to feast on the rotting carcasses of Man Utd's failed efforts in the PL/CL in years to come.
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That may happen but it is unlikely that Arsenal will be doing the feasting.

The Neviller said:
We're not really signing this clown are we?
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In truth there is nothing anymore concrete on Fellaini than than any other transfer we have been linked with, but because he played for Moyes at Everton this is seen as much more likely than any of the better quality names we've been linked with.
 
peterstorey said:
Nailed on at £24M. You need to wake up and realise you've got a midtable manager. Désolé.
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I never wanted him either, but he has to be given a chance. Wenger wasn't even a midtable manager when he joined you, and he's done ok. Bruce Rioch though, not so much.

Anyway, on topic, I hope if we have £40/50 million to spend we don't lump it at Everton for this big turd and Baines. That would be underwhelming as feck.
 
peterstorey said:
He's been there 10 years and signed a shedload of players - you'd think at least ONE would be a superbuy... but no.
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Arteta wasn't a bad buy, not a player good enough for a team challenging for titles, but he's not had a bad career.
 
jakec said:
An average of 53 passes every game, 11 goals, 5 assists, 3 tackles, his only problem in midfield is the amount of fouls he commits.
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Those numbers mean feck all since he's played up in the 4411 half the time. When I palyed CM back in the day you need to be able to tackle, pass and move. Fellaini can't do any of that to top 4 standard.
 
apotheosis said:
Yes it's called applying specific tactics that enable lesser teams to win against bigger teams. you would think that finding a way to dominate a superior opponent would be cause for some credit, but no. We have to belittle and discredit such tactics to better justify our own failure to deal with it.

If SAF had done something similar it would be a masterstroke no doubt, but when it happens to us it must be treated with disdain.
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Jones against Ronaldo for example. United fans sometimes fail to see the woods for the trees.

The Neviller said:
It's funny how you're not allowed to not rate a player because some people rate him or we've been linked with him. I wouldn't want Fellaini if Ferguson signed him either.

I wouldn't want him here if the Almighty God himself delivered him to Old Trafford on a fluffy cloud with a silver lining.
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I have no issue with you not wanting him or Moyes for that matter. The issue is when people say he's wank, shite, a useless big lump or some other bollocks. Not noticed you saying any such shite though.

Theon said:
I think you're spot on here, can definitely see the fans taking to him after he puts it about in centre mid. Obviously I would rather someone like Vidal but Fellaini would be absolutely fine IMO
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Yep. Can you imagine the first time we play a top four team or Liverpool and Fellini hammers someone. Can't see him getting booed of flattening Terry. :lol:

jakec said:
An average of 53 passes every game, 11 goals, 5 assists, 3 tackles, his only problem in midfield is the amount of fouls he commits.
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The amount of fouls he commits should, in theory, be lessened if he was playing at United.
 
LR7 said:
There's nothing incorrect in that quote. Everton fans did boo in the second half of this season. It neither says every single Everton fan, or every single game in that period.

Moyes shouldn't be picking the safe option, because its nice and comfortable and familiar for him. He should be doing what's best for our club going forward. I'm sure our scouts will have identified players previously, as will he, and I don't see why they will all be £30m unknown.

No point debating this forever anyway because no matter how much we do we aren't going to know his plans. I've made it clear I don't think Fellaini is the right fit for Manchester United and I stand by that.
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Nor does it say not every Everton fan or how often in that part of the season, which is sort of the point i was trying to make when you don't specify as such.

I never claimed anything you wrote was incorrect i pulled you for being non specific which led to me taking your view as representative of Everton fans which the booing clearly wasn't. It was a small portion of Everton fans not Everton fans in general. There is a clear distinction to be made so we don't confuse the scale of what actually happened.

Anyway, we will have to wait and see how it all turns out. We may end up signing Bale and feck all for midfield yet again...........:lol:
 
pocco said:
peterstorey obviously hasn't seen much international football. He has played in midfield with Witsel and Dembele a lot.
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Aye but you don't even need to look at international football, he's played their for Everton alot. It's only really been this season and the second half of last that he was as a number 10
 
He would never get a game at 10 for United.

Maybe late on when we are protecting a lead we could let him lead the line but that even would rarely happen. Too many better options in that area.
 
Erentz said:
Arteta wasn't a bad buy, not a player good enough for a team challenging for titles, but he's not had a bad career.
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Arteta was a very good buy but wasn't up to playing as an attacking CM as Moyes planned. Wenger has got much better use out of him by playing him deep.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
He would never get a game at 10 for United.

Maybe late on when we are protecting a lead we could let him lead the line but that even would rarely happen. Too many better options in that area.
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Yeah no way Moyes should even consider him for the number 10 role - especially if Rooney stays the competition is absolutely world class with him and Kagawa
 
Irwynwastheking said:
I have no issue with you not wanting him or Moyes for that matter. The issue is when people say he's wank, shite, a useless big lump or some other bollocks. Not noticed you saying any such shite though.
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I have called him a big, useless, pointy elbowed, curly haired feck, in fairness.

I wasn't referring to you though. It seems though, as far as some posters are concerned, that Fellaini can't be questioned. We're interested, and Moyes likes him, therefore he must be Man United quality and the answer to our prayers.

I'm not keen on him, I think we should be aiming higher, and I'd rather we brought someone more technical. If we're changing tact slightly I'd rather we went down the more technical passing route than the sign a big cnut and kick everything that moves route.

Fellaini has done superbly for Everton over the last season or two, but mostly in a role that I'd hope he'd never play for us, and in the position we'd play him in there are other players I'd rather we signed.
 
The Neviller said:
I have called him a big, useless, pointy elbowed, curly haired feck, in fairness.

I wasn't referring to you though. It seems though, as far as some posters are concerned, that Fellaini can't be questioned. We're interested, and Moyes likes him, therefore he must be Man United quality and the answer to our prayers.

I'm not keen on him, I think we should be aiming higher, and I'd rather we brought someone more technical. If we're changing tact slightly I'd rather we went down the more technical passing route than the sign a big cnut and kick everything that moves route.

Fellaini has done superbly for Everton over the last season or two, but mostly in a role that I'd hope he'd never play for us, and in the position we'd play him in there are other players I'd rather we signed.
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And that's fair enough.

I honestly think that he could slot into this formation seemlessly and would offer so much both in general play, set pieces, goals and generally putting the shit up the opposition.

DDG
Evra Vidic CB Raf
Carrick
CM Fellini
Kagawa
Rooney RVP
 
The Neviller said:
Fellaini has done superbly for Everton over the last season or two, but mostly in a role that I'd hope he'd never play for us, and in the position we'd play him in there are other players I'd rather we signed.
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That's the big ticket - he's not a top4 player.
 
You're loving this aren't you Pete? Bloody hell. I hope we sign Fabregas, somehow.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
Jones against Ronaldo for example. United fans sometimes fail to see the woods for the trees.
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Yep moyes tactics are not being credited enough in the effort to belittle Fellaini. It's not like Fellaini just stands up front winning flick on's. He moves left and right onto the fullbacks and stands up against a centre half and then drops deep to tempt him out of position. he did this brilliantly against us in the 3-3 a couple of years back. he dropped onto the centre half then went deep and took him with him then he played it out wide and whichever side vidic was on they crossed it to the other one.

So you could see it was a coordinated and premeditated tactic, designed specifically to give us as many headaches as possible. I think you have to credit moyes for conceiving the tactic and then conveying it to his players.
 
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