Yeah that's great and all but what about Ronaldo?
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Yeah that's great and all but what about Ronaldo?
That's not bad actually. He shouldn't have been banned under the yellow totting-up process once then, except 5 years ago, and even then his last ones might have been after the armistice. I'm more worried about the number of games played.
^ Says nuffin' 'bout Edwards, you duncanist.
A little bit of over-exaggeration - no where near up to the Fellaini-fellatio crew.
the feck1. Whether SAF would or wouldn't have signed a world class midfielder is irrelevant, Moyes is the manager now. Obviously I'd love us to sign a world class midfielder, but that might not be realistic. All I'd hope is that Moyes knows that midfield is an area that needs serious strengthening and that he would try to sign a world class player if it was possible.
2. The fact that we all want to improve the midfield shouldn't mean we suddenly abandon our high standards and buy someone who isn't good enough. We might not be able to sign a Fabregas but that doesn't mean we should settle for a Fellaini. Would Fellaini improve our midfield? Probably. But that says more about our midfield than it does about Fellaini. We can do better than Fellaini without approaching the "marquis" level you think is beyond us.
3. Even if we ignore Fellaini's quality, his style of play isn't what I'd want for us either. I've seen a fair bit of Fellaini this season, he'd frustrate the hell out of us if he was here. I'd sooner we go for a silkier player rather than one who makes us "solid".
So you must find our opponents marauding through our midfield somehow more preferable?
What style of play do we have now since we have changed our manager? Surely Moyes will now determine our style of play, and let's be honest, everton are hardly the kick and rush team many on here seem to liken them to whenever making a case against Fellaini.
The truth is Everton play some pretty good football, despite the undoubted enthusiasm of Fellaini's elbows and his alleged limited technical ability. Everton managed 6th place without a regular goalscorer up front, which must be testament to the quality of their general team play and overall effectiveness. Relative to what both teams have at their disposal, Everton produce better performances than we do. If you regularly read the post match discussions - which i expect you do - you will note not many on here have been particularly impressed with the overall standard of our performances, without being able to reasonably argue with the results.
We've hardly been playing barca type stuff is what im saying. Fellaini must be doing plenty right because Everton have to play well as a team to get the results, whereas we don't. I'd suggest the individual quality of our attacking talent has gotten us the results more than the general quality of our interplay.
the way i see it we have loads of creativity going forward and a change of system allowing more players central will lead to shorter sharper passing. But if we don't buy someone to help us tighten up without the ball we will still be light in there and if Carrick gets injured we are screwed really.
Fellaini isn't an Arsenal player - Wenger wants non contact football now so Arsenal can walk over them. He conveniently forgets Vieira, Petit and a back four that liked to kick people, and how bad their disciplinary record was.
Bizarre given that they actually won things with players like that in the team.
This is a whole different game of soldiers.
If Moyes thinks he's good enough, who are we to argue... he's better than our current midfield options, but I'd still want to see a ball-player come in like a Gundogan and Thiago as well.
It is relevant when people are already criticising his choices as though we would be going for someone better had Fergie stayed. The second part is obvious, who wouldn't have that hope? Why would you have a different expectation of Moyes determining the quality of our midfield and it's requirements than we had of SAF. I've spent the last 3 years holding that same hope of SAF. SAF has overlooked the midfield, buying for everywhere but midfield. Moyes allegedly looks to address the issue and will be criticised for buying a player he trusts.
Hang on, who said we are now buying players who are not good enough? You? Me? this is the point i am making. SAF has picked Moyes and asked us to back him, yet already people are criticising his potential choices. Furthermore i never said a marquis signing is beyond us. I suggested there was no reason to expect one had SAF stayed, so why suddenly expect one from Moyes?
As i have said our new style of play is yet to be determined. I appreciate the coveting of a silkier player, but for me our problems have been getting the ball back when we lose it. We need a pressing game and i have high hopes Moyes may give us that because Carrick needs help in there. 2 solid players in front of the back 4 offers the right platform for the attacking players to do their thing.
They were superior players to Fellaini despite having the physical edge.
You still play with soldiers Pete? I bet mostly with your little soldier while you fantasize about silverware...........it's the one with the big ears isn't it?
So you must find our opponents marauding through our midfield somehow more preferable?
What style of play do we have now since we have changed our manager? Surely Moyes will now determine our style of play, and let's be honest, everton are hardly the kick and rush team many on here seem to liken them to whenever making a case against Fellaini.
The truth is Everton play some pretty good football, despite the undoubted enthusiasm of Fellaini's elbows and his alleged limited technical ability. Everton managed 6th place without a regular goalscorer up front, which must be testament to the quality of their general team play and overall effectiveness. Relative to what both teams have at their disposal, Everton produce better performances than we do. If you regularly read the post match discussions - which i expect you do - you will note not many on here have been particularly impressed with the overall standard of our performances, without being able to reasonably argue with the results.
We've hardly been playing barca type stuff is what im saying. Fellaini must be doing plenty right because Everton have to play well as a team to get the results, whereas we don't. I'd suggest the individual quality of our attacking talent has gotten us the results more than the general quality of our interplay.
the way i see it we have loads of creativity going forward and a change of system allowing more players central will lead to shorter sharper passing. But if we don't buy someone to help us tighten up without the ball we will still be light in there and if Carrick gets injured we are screwed really.
I distinctly remember Everton fans booing the negative style of play employed in the second half of this season. They've hardly been as fantastic as you're suggesting.
As for your last paragraph I agree we need to buy a CM or two. I just don't think that CM should be Fellaini.
Fellaini was purchased for £15m, and that's about his level.
Exactly, about time someone backed our new manager, instead of moaning about who he may buy. At least he is looking to buy someone for midfield we should be satisfied with that after such a lengthy wait. Personally i'll reserve judgement on his choices until we have actual performances from which to base an opinion on.
Overpriced - £10M mid-table player. A lot of Moyes' buys have been shit.
Moyes signed pretty much every player in the existing Everton squad, so they can't have been too shit!
Edit: For instance, one of his signings is now a big player for you lot.
Nonsense! Peter never wums.
Well that's the thing. We have no barometer to judge Moyes with yet. If it was Fergie was signing Fellaini I'd be a lot more positive.
In any case Moyes should get the backing for now. He should be given a full chance to mold the team however he wants and then we shall all judge him based on our performances and results.
I still have my apprehensions though.
This has been the case with every game I've ever watched him in. It's his biggest attribute.
Moyes has had some good signings - Jagielka and Lescott both stand out as players who only he saw could play to a much higher standard.
His problem is when you start going further forward. Bilayetidinov, Jelavic etc really haven't been good enough.
His problem is when you start going further forward. Bilayetidinov, Jelavic etc really haven't been good enough.
£15m is reasonable, and Moyes has bought good enough players for Everton, you need to judge that differently. It's just that people are now trying to argue us signing them. Apart from Baines none of them are good enough for us (and I still don't particularly want him) whereas they're fine for an Everton team who would have been over the moon to qualify for the Europa League.
Can't wait for some hoof and run football
I don't think Moyes will sign him. I think Moyes will know he doesn't suit us.
A couple of over-exaggerations in your first paragraph. I remember a small portion of everton fans booing after a few poor performances, most notably Wigan. So a few fans not all, and hardly for the whole of the second half of the season.
Where did i suggest fantastic? I said they played some pretty good football and even without a regular goalscorer still managed to get 6th ahead of big spending Liverpool who have far better players. I claimed it was testament to their general effectiveness that they could achieve such a feat.
You are not alone in not wanting Fellaini, but i think he would give us that physicality and determination we often lack in midfield and would compliment Carricks ability. Similar to what Fletcher offered and for me we've missed that type of desire in the big games of late.
Harsh on Jelavic, not sure what happened this season but he was banging them in last year and at Rangers. Seems a classic second season dip of form, he looks an decent player and only cost £6million.
But in terms of recent transfers Mirallas was surely a great buy, then obviously Cahill, Pienaar, Arteta, Distin, Baines and Howard - as well as the two you mentioned.
He's had to operate on a shoestring and even SAF has made several dodgy transfers in his time.
Yeh, a lot of good ones defensively.
Attacking wise, Mirallas was a good signing, yes, but he's one of few. Pienaar is OK, Arteta is really not an attacking player, Cahill was limited etc.
It's difficult because he obviously has very small amounts of money to play with but he just seems to like functionality up top over all else. The Anichebe/Fellaini combo I saw at the Emirates this year was brutal to say the least.
It's a tough call but where are the Evras and Vidics to balance the shit.
I'm told when he takes off his scouse wig he is only 5' 6" tall!
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Who hasn't? We are transitioning to a different manager for the first time in 26yrs, there isn't even another club we can look at to see how it went for them. We'll just have to wing it and see how it goes.
I completely agree and that's how it should be. Moyes needs our backing now more than SAF did. there will be enough people gleefully questioning his decision making to crank up the pressure, we certainly don't need to add to that before he has even started!
I think this is harsh again Al
Cahill was a great signing even though he was limited - he cost £1.5million and contributed 106 goals in 278 games whilst played as an advanced midfielder, it's an exceptional return for the amount spent
Same with Pienaar IMO, he is probably Everton's best player and cost £2million.. I agree that he's only an "OK" player from the perspective of Arsenal or United, but for Everton he's been great and cost barely anything. It was another really good signing IMO
Fair enough. Maybe I am being a little harsh on him. It's going to be fascinating to see how Moyes adapts to being manager of a really top club and who he signs.
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