I'm warming to the idea of having Fellaini the more I play FIFA13.
Fellaini
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I think the national team has prevented that for him.
Partly, but he's also just not been good enough to make that bracket for most of his career. He's definitely made a significant step up this season.
3 of the other 4 in your list definitely are club legends though. I havent seen enough of Ince to comment on the comparison with Carrick and Its your prerogative how you set the bar but I just found it very high. I'd definitely class Carrick as top class personally. The likes of Scholes and Keano are just very rare.
Carrick vs. Arteta is not a debate I'm going to get into with those of you who have quoted me on it. I think the fact that people even think it's a debate worth having is evidence enough that people on here have a self-deprecating view of our own players, and revere opposition players far beyond than their actual ability. That is until we show an interest in signing one of those players in which case he's either not United quality, much like the rest of our squad, or will surely have no interest in joining us.
The sense of inferiority on here has become so prevalent that when I hear non-United fans in person talking about the virtues of United players it takes me by surprise. Don't they realise how shit we are? How have we hidden the truth from them for so long!
The sense of inferiority on here has become so prevalent that when I hear non-United fans in person talking about the virtues of United players it takes me by surprise. Don't they realise how shit we are? How have we hidden the truth from them for so long!
What a loon.
I think Fellaini is more intelligent that people give him credit for. He seems to have an unrivaled ability to turn around his opponent with his back to the goal using only one touch and strength.
Unrivalled, eh? RVP might have something to say about that.
What statistics?
Look in the Carrick thread, I'm sure they're there somewhere. Every season someone posts a load of stats showing that he's been one of the best midfielders in Europe, and this time it was even more emphatic (and, most importantly, seemed more in line with how his performances have actually looked.)
Are you RAWK in disguise? Maybe your opinion is the odd one out.
Erm sorry, but Arteta isnt "atleast equal to Carrick".
Their pool of central midfielders is probably the weakest it's been in 30 years.
You think the majority of people - real people, in the real world - actually think Arteta is at least equal to, if not better than, Michael Carrick?
Naaaaaaaaaaaaah. You're way off.
Only the self-pitfying, angsty United fans think that, plus presumably a few deluded Arsenal fans. Unfortunately RedCafe is under a sizable invasion from the self-pitying United fans at the moment. People are far more likely to post to moan about our deficiencies than they are to post in favour of our current players or manager. Until they retire, in which case they mourn their departure and bemoan their replacements. Which says a lot about human nature - and in particular the way people behave on the internet.
But yes. I'm RAWK in disguise for thinking that a player who was voted as the best central midfielder in the league this season is better than Mikel fecking Arteta.
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If I knew how to start a poll I would take you up on your challenge.
A. Arteta is considerably better than Carrick
B. Arteta is better than Carrick
C. Arteta and Carrick are at a very similar level
D. Carrick is better than Arteta
E. Carrick is considerably better than Arteta
I think D would be the winner, even accounting for the large number of self-pitying United fans who would vote C because United don't have a good midfield, therefore C must be true, right?
I would appreciate if someone who knows how to make polls would go to the effort of doing so on my behalf.
Rowem has lost his mind as of late.
Arteta and Carrick excel in different areas but would people here swap Carrick for Arteta? I for one would definitely not. What Carrick brings to our midfield is far superior to what Arteta would bring.
He normally talks bollocks, but he's right that Carrick is better than Arteta. It's barely even debatable.
Carrick has shown this season that he's pretty much invaluable to us, I think you'd struggle to find many United fans that would even entertain the notion.
In truth, I think I have more 'found' my mind. I feel like I am seeing things with more clarity and understanding than ever before.
Admittedly though I have been acting like a right twat but that's nothing new. I'm not exactly tactful, despite my good intentions.
He definitely is better, but he's making it out as if there's a massive difference in quality between both players which just isn't true. Carrick is obviously better but there's not that much in it.
He was responding to someone who said Arteta was "at least the equal of Carrick". Yeah, he may have went too far the other way, but Arteta is most certainly not at least equal to Carrick. It's not even debatable.
Both were over the top statements, I think.
Which is pretty much what I said in the post you've just quoted.
His quote was sensationalized by the media (whoa,.. who'd have thought that?) If you read the quote:
"Strootman is nothing less than Gareth Barry. He's a very useful player for every team. Especially when he's surrounded by better players."
"It's nothing less" could mean "at least equal to"; depend on how you interpret things. He saw the like of Barry as main midfielder for one of the top two clubs in Premier League (Champion of the previous season), and he stated that Strootman (at 22) is "nothing less" than Barry, isn't an insult.
Congratulatory-fecking-ations.
ok.
You're welcome. You asked my opinion, and I tried to give my honest opinion of a 22 y.o. footballer. He sounds limited, if you're just looking at his weaknesses, instead of what he can bring to United (and develop into).
Thanks for the nice respond.
Oo-er.
In which case it's a nothing statement, since the pages and pages of debate before his comment have all been about whether 'it' is something we need or not. I was just pointing out that what he actually wrote isn't an argument for buying someone.
I'll ignore the condescending way of your reply claiming my post as a 'nothing statement', and get on with what I actually said and meant with the phrase 'he'd bring us something else'.
Obviously Fellaini has certain tools in his game and a certain combination of tools that makes him an effective weapon, and on top of that a weapon we don't actually have in our team at the moment and which I believe we can use. That is 'bringing something else' to our team which would give us more options in our squad.
Do you prefer the Barcelona way (which I agree is an effective one) of using plan A, and if that fails just try plan A some more without having any other way of playing? I certainly don't. I would prefer to have a versatile squad with many options that all have a wide range of skills which can be used for the different situations that arise in games, and to be well equiped to compete with the different teams with different styles that we are playing over the course of a season.
Regardless of you agreeing with this kind of approach, I hope you understand now what I ment when I said he 'brings something else'.
Again: I would prefer a few other midfielders before I'd bring Fellaini in if it were up to me, but unfortunately those will be much harder to get at the moment. Fellaini is more likely to join United than the others I mentioned, so that's why my post contained what I think Fellaini would add to United, and ultimately if he were to sign, I believe he's more likely to be a hit than a miss.
On another note: I so often see Strootman being mentioned as an option in midfield for United. I watch plenty of the Dutch league and I've mentioned this before as well: it would surprise me a lot if he ever makes it at a top team in a top league. The dutch journalists have probably been overrating him, and they've actually been recognizing this themselves this season based on his performances with PSV. He's had plenty of criticism for his performances this season. My prediction for him is that he'll end up a Fulham-level player.
He didn't even come off the bench at Euro 2012. How long has he been captain and for how many games?
Van der Vaart is (officially) their main captain, and he's the vice-cpt. But he's been captaining the side about 4 times (3 in WC qualifying) (that I know) since October last year.
Van der Saar quoted:
He isn't my 'ideal' CM for United (that would be Wilshere), but for the quoted price range (15-20m), he's a pretty good option. He's the type of player I want to see in United midfield: comfortable with the ball, can pass well, and good passing range.
He also has similar build to Rodwell and Henderson, young players that we were heavily linked.
So he's "at least as good" as Gareth Barry. Forgive me if I dont get too excited at the prospect of him a United Shirt.
What's this constant love affair for Wilshere? Brilliant little player, obviously, but he's as crocked as Anderson.
Completely agree.
When you see every game of your team you'll also pick on and notice the mistakes. Watching the opposition on highlights will only show their strong points.
Carrick is in a different universe to Arteta.
A 'throw away' comment by his manager isn't a proper way to get excited or not about a player. But whatever float your boat, man.
Plenty of papers, including the Guardian, going with Fellaini to United for 24m. Apparently that is his release clause and Moyes is keen to trigger it. The Guardian article goes on to say that he has always seen Fellaini as a defensive midfield powerhouse, although he has had to use him as a number 10 at Everton. A move to United would allow Moyes to play him where he thinks he will play and excel long term.
I have seen quotes from Fellaini saying he prefers to play deeper himself. Interesting. Again, wouldn't be the most exciting summer signing, but I think a big mobile presence in the middle of the park would certainly improve us given the issues we are having in the middle of the park.
I have seen quotes from Fellaini saying he prefers to play deeper himself. Interesting. Again, wouldn't be the most exciting summer signing, but I think a big mobile presence in the middle of the park would certainly improve us given the issues we are having in the middle of the park.
Yes but in his last 2 seasons where he has been good and made name he was playing like a #10. Should we buy a player to play in a position he's established at, rather than possibly seen as playing there.
This is a bit like the Anderson 2.0 project and I didn't like the 1.0 version to be fair...
Fellaini will be a monster signing I have no doubt about it. Any player that is best in defensive midfield yet that can also play in the hole means he has the skills as you couldn't imagine Keane or Viera playing in the hole if the team was stuck. Fellaini gets a hard time because Everton often pumped the long balls up to him from all angels.....that would suggest he is a big oaf like a Duncan Ferguson or an Andy Carroll or an Emile Heskey but nothing could be further from the truth. If Everton had Ineista then they still would have played the long ball often as when you have Naismith and Gibson playing around you then you are not exactly going to play tiki-taka football that Barca play. I think Fellaini is going to be surprising many on here with his ball control and football brain and he is exactly what we need as our midfield is way to lightweight in the defensive department and has been for a long time
He's only been a number ten for 1 and a bit seasons. He's played in CM during that time too though.
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