uggghhh this is getting boring.
You said there was plenty. I said there isnt.
Now Im supposed to have said there are none anywhere on planet Earth?
Fellaini
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uggghhh this is getting boring.
You said there was plenty. I said there isnt.
Now Im supposed to have said there are none anywhere on planet Earth?
Nah I just thought you literally meant there are none at all.
I think there is enough is out there, shall we say, that we can avoid having to spend £23m or whatever on a player like Fellaini.
I've said I don't like him on numeropus occassions. He's a big, dirty, useless, curly haired feck and I don't want him anywhere near United.
Fellaini is a thug. He was and still is at the age of 25. His manager at Everton didn't curb him doing that. If he moves here, it will be the same manager that allowed him at the first place. You play for United, and your every move will be magnified by 10 times. Here, he'll be a walking red card waiting to happen.
Before this season (where he's no. 10), he played in CM; and not even once when I watched him make me want him in red shirt. Not. Even. Once. He fouled too much, not great carrying the ball forward, limited passing range, nor finesse in his style.
He's heavily linked with United, mostly because his ex-manager now moving here.
Before this season (where he's no. 10), he played in CM; and not even once when I watched him make me want him in red shirt. Not. Even. Once. He fouled too much, not great carrying the ball forward, limited passing range, nor finesse in his style.
He's heavily linked with United, mostly because his ex-manager now moving here.
Couldn't agree more. His main attributes are being big, chesting the ball down and fouling people.
Would want him at United. Apart from Carrick he's upgrade on every other player we have in midfield. Scholes is gone, Fletcher as well, Cleverley seems to need more time to make grade at United and don't tell me someone still have some hope for Anderson?
I don't think he's a particularly good central midfielder. He can't control a match of football any more than say Cleverley or Anderson can, in fact I'd say their ability on the ball and passing game is far superior to him.
As a target for long balls and as a goalscorer in the box he is a handful, but we don't play that way and won't find a way to utilize him the way Everton did. We have proper footballers further forward, and I'd much prefer Kagawa or Rooney or van Persie as the man in behind a striker.
As a central midfielder he's neither good enough on the ball or creative enough to play alongside Carrick as the consistant solution to our CM problems, nor defensively disciplined enough to be a holder in Carrick's abstence. So, no thanks.
As a target for long balls and as a goalscorer in the box he is a handful, but we don't play that way and won't find a way to utilize him the way Everton did. We have proper footballers further forward, and I'd much prefer Kagawa or Rooney or van Persie as the man in behind a striker.
As a central midfielder he's neither good enough on the ball or creative enough to play alongside Carrick as the consistant solution to our CM problems, nor defensively disciplined enough to be a holder in Carrick's abstence. So, no thanks.
Hm - underrating him a bit there. He's a decent footballer - good touch, passing. I think the only real problem with him as a central midfielder is the lack of discipline. In the games I've seen he's been a bit of a stroller. He gets involved, but mostly on his own terms.
Yeah, this is excactly it.
He doesn't excert control as a midfielder in the way we would need him to do. He wouldn't drive us forwards either.
Comparing his passing to Carrick's, for instance, would be a rather embarassing exercise as far as the Belgian's concerned - and even now people regularly complain about Carrick's lack of ambitious passing. Can you imagine what would happen with Fellaini there instead?
Fellaini would be a defensive midfielder if he played there, Carrick is a deep lying play-maker. Even if they would be positioned in the same place on a formation.jpg they would never do the same role there. A similar comparison is Rooney as a number 10 and Iniesta as a number 10. We can't say Iniesta has much better passing so Rooney is shit because Rooney would be more of a striker and Iniesta more of a midfielder.
There are hardly any great deep lying play-makers below 30 so replacing Carrick will be done by changing strategy completely not by getting a player who does the same job.
At United though we've always played ball-playing midfielders - even the likes of Keane were very good passers. We don't do destroyers.
Hargreaves obviously would have fit that bill, but then again...
Why do we need someone to dictate the midfield? That's Carrick's job, Fellaini's would be to clean up and move the ball on, aswell as create a problem for the opposition with his physical ability. We need someone to compliment Carrick not be an understudy.
I would be happy to see Fellani don an United shirt. He will bring much needed steel to our midfield.
I think a big advantage with Fellaini is that he could both partner Carrick, or partner Cleverley/our other midfield options.
You also know that he'd get in the box and grab a few late goals/assists when we're pushing to score a winner/equalizer and getting bodies into the box.
You also know that he'd get in the box and grab a few late goals/assists when we're pushing to score a winner/equalizer and getting bodies into the box.
I don't think we would play him as a DM, it would be rather odd. The man has shown he has a great deal of skill both offensively and defensively so limiting him to just playing one way would be negative for both us and him.
I believe we would play him in a 5 man midfield if we were to get him in front of a more accurate passer which Moyes has always had an eye for. Assuming Rooney leaves it would look something like this;
Rafael--------CB------CB--------Evra/Fabio
-------------Carrick/Cleverley------------
--Winger---Fellaini----Kagawa----Winger
--------------------RVP
Moyes enjoys a 5 man midfield(usually 2 CM 1 AM though), narrow wingers and very wide offensive wing-backs.
I think Fellaini and Kagawa would do very well together in a three man midfield. Kagawa would be the number 10 the majority of the times but Fellaini definitely has very good skills taking over the number 10 role when Kagawa drops deep(which happens frequently).
Fellaini is too simple to play as an AM, lacks the positional discipline to sit as a destroyer, has too weak passing to be a deep lying play-maker.
He is very good pseudo CM/AM however and is very good defensively and on set pieces. I think Kagawa is a very good CM/AM as well which suits it.
Spot on
Definitely doesnt count them because you dont chest out of a duel. It'll be two players getting up to try and head the ball. Agreed he finds the space to take the ball down on his chest brilliantly, particularly against us with Cleverley and Anderson playing
I'm assuming the club would have a scout report on Fellaini, clarifying his strengths and weaknesses. On reading this, Moyes will be able to evaluate if he's good enough for Manchester United.
Im guessing Moyes already has a report on him having coached him for five years.
Moyes first day at United:
'So Rene, this Fellani fellow, what do your scouts have on him because I'm drawing a blank here?'
What I mean to say is our scouting report will allow Moyes to establish if he's the level deemed good enough by Manchester United's standards.
Clearly Fellaini can and probably will improve. Most people wouldn't have called Yorke a brilliant goalscorer until we signed him or even Cole a great player. We can always think this players better or that player. Who remembers being gutted when we didn't sign Patrick Kluivert?
Fellaini would improve most, if not all of the top teams. However, who's to say we'd even sign him? Moyes will have his own ideas and I think he'll be interested in our youth
Fellaini would improve most, if not all of the top teams. However, who's to say we'd even sign him? Moyes will have his own ideas and I think he'll be interested in our youth
But it's now Moyes' job to deem what is United standard?
Not sure if serious. Moyes found him and has coached him for 5 years, he'll know if he's good enough, he'll know every little thing about the guy. He knows he's looking at a whole different class of player now he's at United. David Moyes is not a stupid man, many on here seem to think he is.
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He's already used to the hairdryer:
feckin' hell, Cunto!!
Moyes first day at United:
'So Rene, this Fellani fellow, what do your scouts have on him because I'm drawing a blank here?'
Just watched this. The sheer number of players he just bullies into leaving him alone is brilliant
He'd be a hit here i'm sure. I hope we get him 
Can't watch it from my location. Thank you, Universal music.
You're not missing much.
Moyes will sign Fellaini. Mistake no.1.
He'd bring us something we don't have. I think he can be a very good player for us in midfield (not number 10) and because he scores goals he will get the fans on his side eventually, regardless of those who are reluctant to have him now. His appearance (the goofy hair) makes him seem like he's a clumsy lad, but he isn't and the stats earlier in this thread back that up. He would also give us options in the air when we're a goal down with 5 minutes to go and you need presence in the air in the opposition's box. Having a presence like his, is an added bonus then.
What he probably lacks is the long range passing. He doesn't have the passing range that Carrick has. He also has the tendency to take yellow cards so that's another downside in his game, but I suppose we're used to that with Scholes.
I would still prefer Dembele (upside: he's technique is great, more creativity, rarely loses the ball - downside: not enough goals) or Witsel (upside: combination of Dembele and Fellaini in the sense that he does score more than Dembele, also has the physical strength of both, more creative than Fellaini - downside: will be very expensive as he cost 40m euros for Zenit last season when he only cost 8m for Benfica 1 year before) because they have a bit more flair to their game and they look more 'natural' when playing the game. However Fellaini has proven his importance as a key player for Everton from a young age up to now at 25. I'm sure he can prove to be an asset for us as well with his specific skillset if he were to sign for us.
What he probably lacks is the long range passing. He doesn't have the passing range that Carrick has. He also has the tendency to take yellow cards so that's another downside in his game, but I suppose we're used to that with Scholes.
I would still prefer Dembele (upside: he's technique is great, more creativity, rarely loses the ball - downside: not enough goals) or Witsel (upside: combination of Dembele and Fellaini in the sense that he does score more than Dembele, also has the physical strength of both, more creative than Fellaini - downside: will be very expensive as he cost 40m euros for Zenit last season when he only cost 8m for Benfica 1 year before) because they have a bit more flair to their game and they look more 'natural' when playing the game. However Fellaini has proven his importance as a key player for Everton from a young age up to now at 25. I'm sure he can prove to be an asset for us as well with his specific skillset if he were to sign for us.
It'd be great watching him tussle with Toure against City if we did sign him.
When did this become a valid argument for buying someone? Nigel de Jong would bring us something we don't have. Lukaku would bring Barcelona something they don't have. Larnell Cole would bring Stoke something they don't have. Doesn't mean any of these would be a remotely good idea.
Watching that video it's even more confusing the way people bang on about his limitations. His long passing isn't amazing but that's pretty much it.
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Fellaini has dyed his hair grey for charity.
Fellaini has dyed his hair grey for charity.
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