I can see both our fullbacks will bomb forward a lot more, if we sign Fellaini as a DM. And due to his height and good link up play, Welbeck will play a lot more behind RvP; as Moyes had successfully used Tim Cahill and Fellaini there before with Everton.
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That article from fiver is excellent.
Disagree, by that logic Carrick and Fletcher were both top class too, when really they never were. Mikel would be top class too, wouldn't he? Plus god knows how many other ordinary players. You should judge players by their actual quality rather than the team they play for and in terms of actual quality Hargreaves was never top class.
Agree. Its a silly way to define it. If someone is top class they'll show it on the pitch, not always in their trophy cabinet. You just have to look at RVP for that
It's now been a week since our last bid... I wonder why we haven't put in a new one in that time?
I suppose there is the possibility we have and it just hasn't been announced, but yeah, if we haven't (as seems), I wonder why...
I suppose there is the possibility we have and it just hasn't been announced, but yeah, if we haven't (as seems), I wonder why...
I'd love to know the process and mechanics of making a bid. There seems to be quite a delay between each bid we make for any player, I wonder why it takes so long? Is there just a load of paperwork that needs to get processed or something?
From Moyes most recent comments I sort of get the impression we've gone as far as we're willing to go for Fellaini and Baines
Can't be that hard. Chelsea seemed to swoop in and get Willian within a day or two.
I disagree, I think Moyes is just making sure to let everyone know (whether it's the case or not) that he's not desperate and will not be mugged off. I expect us to go back in for at least one of the two before the window shuts but most likely nothing will happen until after the game on Monday now as our focus will be primarily on that.
If we go in with more than our reported second bid, we're getting "mugged off"
Say it aint so! I'm more than happy if we sign the mighty Afro.
Yeah, but who knows how long they were 'preparing a bid.' I don't understand why people bother to try and work out or second guess the business involved in transfers, we simply don't have the required experience or knowledge to understand. Just let them bloody get on with it.
Well that's your opinion, Moyes' could be entirely different. I don't think £28m for the pair is a fair offer, especially at this stage of the window.
When you keep business for the last week of the window, you cant blame the selling club for squeezing you dry.
IF we want Fellaini and Baines, I dont see any reason why our pursuit of the likes of Alcantara and Fabregas stopped us from finishing this business early in the window.
It could have taken them months. Imo that could be one of the problems we re having....Moyes have been in this job only for around 8 weeks. Not to mention all the murky agents involved....it's totally different from what goes on one of Player Manager games
Agreed. Hargreaves was definitely a top class talent. Whether he didn't fit in our system (as CM) is another story, just as Veron, Forlan, Rossi, Pique and many others at United.
Fellaini is almost zero risk, from our manager point of view. Moyes has seen and managed United's team; and if he thinks Fellaini can fit in here, it's most likely more accurate opinion than any scout we have can give.
Going off topic a bit and this could have its own thread, but this is the way I see it:
Firstly, you have the top teir of players who are 'world class', we as a club rarely buy from this category but do have players who end up being that (Keane that you mention for example).
Then a step below you have what I am talking about when I say 'top class', regular starters for the top clubs in Europe usually some record of winning things and/or playing in CL/WC etc.
We buy at this level now and again e.g. Hargreaves back then and Kagawa recently.
Next you have the category that a lot of our money has recently been spent on - proven PL players with potential to improve e.g. Young, Valencia etc.
At the moment Fellaini is in this category and when we bought him Carrick was too, but he proved himself at a higher level and yes I would call him 'top class' now (as I would Fletcher).
Finally, we have obviously spent a lot of time and money recruiting some of the most talented youngsters in the world with a view to moulding them into world and top class players. Had some big successes like Ronaldo and Rafael. For the midfield we did have Pogba but lost him and also a lot of cash went on Anderson who has yet to deliver consistently.
So there you have it, clearly there will be some overlap in categories between players but that is generally the way I see it. This summer we have tried for a Fabregas (arguably world class and clearly top class) and Thiago (talented youth) but it didnt happen. So in the end it looks like we focus on the proven PL player in Fellaini and if he was to reach the level of Carrick or Fletcher than I would be quite happy with that.
I conclude.... because United do not want to spend any money.... perhaps they are hoping for a cheeky bid in January. Makes sense from a business perspective but then again would we really be at the top of the league or too far off in Jan?
Everyone seems to be cunning misled into believing a true marque signing is coming.... just like how Ed Woodward so famously shot to international stardom overnight by 'cutting short his business trip in Australia' to attend to urgent transfer business.
I'm sick of the fact we have not strengthened in midfield by now. Today Moyes has revealed he may not sign anyone. Only time will tell.... so cafemates don't get your hopes up too high.
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1531567/manchester-united-not-sign-anyone-says-david-moyes?cc=4716
David Moyes has said Manchester United could reach the end of the summer transfer window on September 2 without making a major signing.
• United to reject third Rooney bid
• Moyes keen on Mata
United have failed in attempts to bring Cesc Fabregas and Thiago Alcantara to Old Trafford from Barcelona and have seen bids for Leighton Baines and Marouane Fellaini rejected by Everton.
And while former Everton manager Moyes is keen to add to United’s squad and is interested in Chelsea midfielder Juan Mata, he said it remained possible that no deals would happen.
“There is a need to do it, but there is no pressure to do it,” he said. “I have an idea of where I'd like to strengthen. If the right players are available, then great -- but there is a possibility nothing may happen. If not, the first thing we'll do is encourage our own young players in the squad to do as well as they did last year.
“The plan is we bring in one or two if we can. I think there is [value for money available] but we have only targeted certain players and don't have a big, big list. There are only certain quality players we want to bring to the club."
So far, United’s only additions are Wilfried Zaha, whose £15 million move from Crystal Palace was tied up by Sir Alex Ferguson in January, and Uruguayan youngster Guillermo Varela.
Moyes reiterated that Wayne Rooney, the subject of two bids from Chelsea, is not for sale, although Jose Mourinho is expected to make a third offer after the two clubs meet at Old Trafford on Monday.
"We've told you, haven't we [that Rooney is not for sale]?" he said. "I hardly need to repeat it again. It doesn't need to be said."
Former United assistant manager Mike Phelan said new chief executive Ed Woodward was to blame for their problems in the transfer market.
Everton described a £28 million joint offer for Fellaini and Baines as “derisory and insulting”, and Phelan told BBC Radio Manchester: “I think that [Fellaini-Baines] was a cheeky bid. It was never going to get off the ground. What they have done is opened the line into Everton.
“Ed Woodward has previously been on the commercial side, concentrating on bringing money into the club rather than spending it. It is a totally different outlook. He will learn that.
“He may be frightened by a few prices but he will have to pick that up, because you are dealing with high-quality football players. He and the club have gone on record to say that money is available. That’s great -- but then every price goes up a peg or two as well.”
Fake enough. This stuff (categories) is very subjective anyway. Everyone hast their own way of bracketing players. I usually call players who are up there with the best in their position as top class. Like Rvp or xavi or vidic.
It could be, but once again from his most recent comments it suggests to me that we're bidding as high as we'll go at £35 million. Sorry if I got the bids confused, thought the reported £35 million for both is the 2nd bid.
It seems very likely that we wont sign anyone this window. Rooney will be convinced to stay, Nani will stay. Zaha and Januzaj will provide the squad with some pace and creativity.
I'm convinced that the calendars all over Old Trafford are from 2005, it's the only explanation for these bids we're making, the idea that we were/are unwilling to go above the fees mentioned for Fabregas, Fellaini, Baines etc is just mental in the modern transfer market.
"Edward is working very hard on deals and we hope to get something sorted shortly."
You just shut up. I WANT MY AFROMAN
Is that the automated message when you ring Old Trafford?
"Edward is working very hard on deals and we hope to get something sorted shortly...we apologise for keeping you on hold but all our Chief Executives are busy at the moment...Edward is working very hard on deals...."
"Edward was due to be at this press conference but has had to leave to attend to urgent transfer dealings."
Apparently he's on a flight to Merseyside and is expected to land on the 5th September.
Apparently he's on a flight to Merseyside and is expected to land on the 5th September.
I know that, but after today's not so optimistic press conference, it'd have been slightly more reassuring if the quote was from today.
I think he was taking the piss
I'd be interested in seeing a "Yes please/No thanks" poll in regards to Fellaini on this forum. I think the "Yes" group would probably edge it at this point, as we're getting quite desperate.
Woodward and Moyes are probably preparing a new bid which will go in on the last day, and be the exact same figures again.
Baines certainly isn't the type to rock the boat. Maybe Fellaini will cause a storm at not getting a transfer
I wonder if you will pry him away by giving him a new car to replace his Corsa if he's still driving it.
No need to replace his car; any idea what condition his tyres are in?
Good thing that United sell watches so you know when the bus leaves...
'Yes' would more than edge it. We're frankly desperate in CM now and Fellaini in is better than no one coming in at all.
Can't we just sign the Microphone-headed feck and be done with it?
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...-urges-everton-let-fellaini-baines-go?cc=4716
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