Fellaini
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Seriously????? fecking hell.
"On his position, Owen is one of the best footballplayers in the entire world." Sir Alex Ferguson
Think I will go with Fergie on this one.
Would seem a useful addition if he came after the acquisition of two proper quality talents.
Nope. He never had a single season as good as the one Carrick just had and I don't even think Carrick is top class.
Spot on sullydnl. Undoubtedly Moyes will be getting criticism, but I would have hoped that the vast majority of premature criticism would be limited to the media and fans of other clubs. Not our own fans simply because in their expert opinions, Fellaini doesn't fit the bill. Yes everyone is entitled to an opinion, but to criticise our manager's preference armed with nothing but an unqualified and subjective speculation of how a player may perform is beyond being negative or sceptical, it is downright cynicism.
I am sceptical of Fellaini's ability to make it here - should he actually come
- because none of us know whether he will be a success or not. Nothing wrong with that. It's how it should be, to write him off completely is no more absurd than predicting he will be a nailed on success. But to criticise Moyes' choice based on nothing but speculation, to me indicates that there is a inherent cynicism regarding Moyes ability to do the job. I am prepared to wait and see personally, I have faith in Moyes ability to not only spot a player, but get the best out of them too. We have seen him do it time and again for Everton, so if he thinks Fellaini can do the job, then I will give him the benefit of the doubt until I have good reason to believe otherwise.These fans should remember that not showing faith in moyes now, not only disregards SAF's final request of us to back the manager, it shows a real lack of faith in SAF's decision to handpick Moyes as his replacement.
Go on Martinez lad.
Bolded bits are key for me.
1) As i've reiterated before we do not need to sell anyone, so we won't be forced to sell.
2) Martinez doesn't want to sell/they have shown no signs of being unhappy at having to stay if the valuation isn't met.
3) Our valuation of Fellaini must be around or just above the release clause. From the sound of that it must be about £25 million, as you have to remember that the clause was put in before last season when everyone started to take notice.
Im certain that you would happily accept an offer at the same value as the release clause, we are obviously trying to get him for less and I reckon around £20m is fair - I seem to remember you thought the same?
Yep - many of our fans forget how highly he was rated as we never saw the best of him due to injury
I thought that 20m with add-ons to around 25m would be fair, aye, or a straight up fee around the same as the release clause. Still will be disappointed as i don't want to sell him though.
But if we hold out for more and manage to which we might actually do i'll be pleased.
Hargreaves was rubbish for us in CM. We had to try him everywhere but CM, and he did a decent job on the right of midfield
Many of our fans forget that he was booed by England fans shortly before an international tournament, after which we tried to sign him
You might get £20m with a couple of add ons taking it to whatever the release clause was - cant see us offering anymore than that
he was never fit for us - just look at his history with Bayern, he was one of the best in the world before becoming a permacrock
anyway this is an old discussion and not particularly relevant
He played at the base of a midfield diamond at Bayern where his job was to run around and mop up after everyone else. He turned out to be far too limited for us in that position once he came here, and wasn't a much better passer than Jones is now.
he had a good cross on him and he was also a good free kick taker.
Fergie makes mistakes. Hargreaves was decent. Good engine, ran around a lot, not much ability on the ball.
One of the best in the entire world is an absolutely terrible assessment of Owen Hargreaves.
He was fit, just didnt fit
We saw him before his injury. He was nothing special even at full tilt. Fletcher was better.
Only England fans thought he was top class for awhile. I have no idea why.
Im not English. BTW Fergie thought he was top class.
Fergie thought Bebe was worth 7 million too apparently. Everyone makes mistakes.
Well in this case I will go with Fergies judgement and not yours. As you say everyone makes mistakes, even you.
Not on this one. Hargreaves was never top class. I doubt fergie actually thought he was top class either. He does like to talk up his players and fill them with confidence,
Out of curiosity, do you think many United fans would agree with you? I don't remember many at the time saying he was top class, let alone now. He was a fairly ordinary player, who could be effective on his day. Would you really put him up there with the likes of Scholes, Keane and our other genuinely top class players?
Forget Keane and scholes, I'd take Carrick any day over him and easily. Personally I think majority of united fans would agree with me purely because even for us, his performances didn't justify any such tag. Hargreaves is one player whose stock rose rapidly when he was injured. He somehow became this amazing player while he was injured. Although, I think the fact that for a bit he was the only functioning midfielder for England also helped improve his image. English players tend to get overhyped the Most.
Exactly, Carrick is and was a far better player than Hargreaves and I wouldn't even call Carrick top class. Thing is, even when we signed Hargreaves nobody really thought he was top class, he was someone we thought would do a good job for us and add some qualities we were missing. As it turned out he didn't even do that.
Some of you are letting the fact Hargreaves joined City shroud your assessment of his ability. He was a very good footballer. He could do a job on the wing. Excellent crossing, and decent passing range, certainly much better than Jones in that role for feck sake. He could also hit a free.
He was also immense at right back against Iniesta, when we played against Barcelona.
Yeah he was quality. If not for the injuries, he would have likely been a fantastic player to have over the past few years.
I have to disagree with most of this, when he was fit Hargreaves was an excellent player and I think better than Carrick, if he could of stayed fit, he would of been huge at United.
Such a shame he was blighted with injuries from the moment we bought him, how did he pass the medical ?
Martinez's comments are laughable. Encouraging the clubs to bid higher.
The reaction of Everton to these bids has been fecking laughable.
The reaction of Everton to these bids has been fecking laughable.
The comments are very very strange. And they're the ones who made them public as well. Weirdoes.
He knows they are both going and just wants the most money he can get, cant blame him for that, he comments about the professionalism of the players just because of a couple of bids, is what I would expect any manager to do to.
Yeah but it's such a bizarre way to put things. Our bid might have been lower than their value for the players but were hardly talking about world beaters here. And how have we handled things poorly? They went public with our bid, not us.
The thing with these comments is that it isn't clubs, it club, us. I'd imagine he would like a bit of money in to strengthen his side the way he wants to.
They're acting like they're the only clubs in the history of football who've received a bid which is lower than their evaluation of the player. Why not laugh off the bid rather than making it public.
The Guardian have a bit of a joke about Everton's overly dramatic reaction here: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/22/the-fiver-everton-manchester-united
Yeah fair point, saying the players acted well under pressure is all well and good, pity the club did not do the same.
They would of been better laughing it off and tell us to come back with an improved bid.
And also acting like Roberto Martinez hasnt done exactly the same thing to WIgan as Moyes is trying to do to them.
Seems they were expecting people to bit at Fellaini's clause - they didnt so clearly nobody thinks he's worth that. I still think we'll get him. I suspect Everton were relying on that money as they're always banging on aboiut how they have to sell before they can buy and that funds are limited.
Yep his indignation would be far more believable if he wasn't almost issuing a challenge for us to make bids 'closer to the club's valuation', amidst claims that making another bid would be a waste of time!
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