Fellaini

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Irrespective of whom he's going to buy, Moyes will be judged on success. If he fails to bring success on short/mid term then people will still judge his transfer signings and his football knowledge which seems limited to the EPL (whose lets face it is hardly the best league to make bargains)


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please make it stop
 
will midfield muppet mania be satiated by this signing or will Fellaini fail the quench the thirst?
 
I'd be happy with his signing.

We need a midfielder for the squad, we have tried to sign Thiago and Cesc and been rebuffed.

Fellaini is someone Moyes knows well and is a proven PL player who will add to the squad. I'd be happy enough with his signature.
 
We'll promise them to leave Baines alone if they let Fellaini go for about 20M + future addons.
 
There is a fallacy permeating this forum about how Fellaini is not cut out for United. I have been watching football for almost 30 years and spent 14 years coaching it and over that time I think I can spot the strengths and weaknesses of most players I watch. Here is how I think Fellaini would work out at United.

Advantages

He would solidify a midfield that has been lacking a consistent ball winner and physical presence since Roy Keane.
His passing is short and simple.
Surprisingly quick footed with the ball in tight situations
His aerial presence at set pieces will be beneficial for us in both boxes.
His overall aerial ability is probably unsurpassed in the PL
He does have an eye for goal in the box and I imagine he would get close to 10 for us per season.
Worked with the manager before.

Disadvantages

Lack of pace could hurt in a fast flowing game. However if he is to sit the furthest back in a midfield 3 that may not be that a big of an issue.
His temperament is questionable at times and he might pick up cards quite regularly.
Does not have a long range shot or the ability to score many outside the box
Not consistent enough with through balls or incisive passing

As you can see, for me, the advantages outweigh the doubts. I think what has been made clear by Moyes transfer targets this summer
is that he values players with premier league experience and to me that is the key with Fellaini.
He isnt the big extravagant latin signing everyone is clamoring for and because he is perceived as a long ball donkey many on here
dismiss him as being a legitimately good player for us. I think overall he would give us an extra edge in both boxes and some steel in midfield and
certainly would flourish being surrounded by better players.



Disagree that he's a consistent ball winner. He'll win the ball at times but he's also beaten too easily at times. He'll foul a lot to break up play but thats not winning the ball.
You're overrating his ability in the air. A bunch of players win it more than him even though its obviously his strength and he'd be one of our best headers
Could get 10 for us but depends on position. He's never done that from CM, not even slightly close. It was 3 in the league when he last played in midfield. Could do it from in the hole as it was 11 last season. Do we want him there?

Disagree that he lacks pace. Its fine, its just not impressive and not going to lead to him getting on the end of moves on the break and not often managing to get into the box as an extra target if we have a quick tempo. If we have a slow build up then its more likely he can be in there.
Disagree that his temperament is questionable. Its not. Its bad. He gave away the most fouls in the league when he last played in midfield for Everton, somehow only 6 yellows to show for it.
Disagree with lack of a long shot, he scored a couple last season and generally took his goals pretty well. Would probably be our best long shooter from CM, but thats probably the case with most CMs we could sign as Cleverley, Anderson, Carrick and even Giggs hardly set the bar high...

He would add aggression and power to the midfield for sure. But we've been very successful in the past without it
 
Will you?

I'd be delighted if Fellaini joined us, exactly the kind of player we need.

But even as Moyes himself has stated we need 2 new bodies in our midfield clan and Fellaini is hopefully not the better of those 2 players.

I don't mind if we dont get the world class midfield player this window, we tried hard but that player needs to arrive in the winter or very latest next summer.
 
Disagree that he's a consistent ball winner. He'll win the ball at times but he's also beaten too easily at times. He'll foul a lot to break up play but thats not winning the ball.
You're overrating his ability in the air. A bunch of players win it more than him even though its obviously his strength and he'd be one of our best headers
Could get 10 for us but depends on position. He's never done that from CM, not even slightly close. It was 3 in the league when he last played in midfield. Could do it from in the hole as it was 11 last season. Do we want him there?

Disagree that he lacks pace. Its fine, its just not impressive and not going to lead to him getting on the end of moves on the break and not often managing to get into the box as an extra target if we have a quick tempo. If we have a slow build up then its more likely he can be in there.
Disagree that his temperament is questionable. Its not. Its bad. He gave away the most fouls in the league when he last played in midfield for Everton, somehow only 6 yellows to show for it.
Disagree with lack of a long shot, he scored a couple last season and generally took his goals pretty well. Would probably be our best long shooter from CM, but thats probably the case with most CMs we could sign as Cleverley, Anderson, Carrick and even Giggs hardly set the bar high...

He would add aggression and power to the midfield for sure. But we've been very successful in the past without it


Disagree with your disagreements
 
Yes, like Fellaini, who he was so sure about he spent £15m on, despite him being a 20 year old from Belgium.

Or Mirallas, Oviedo, Jelavic, Naismith, Velios, Bilyaletdinov, Heitinga, Gueye, Jacobsen, Coleman...

In fact, at a quick count, I'd say in the last 5 seasons, Moyes signed 16 first team-ish players. Of those the above 11 were from outside England, while only Saha, Distin, Gibson, Beckford and Neill were from England - and those 5 were pretty much all free.

feck me, I know it was Everton and some are really good finds for their level, but I would rather he looked for players locally reading that.
 
will midfield muppet mania be satiated by this signing or will Fellaini fail the quench the thirst?

I genuinely believe the best thing about this signing is that it will surely finally shut everyone up about our midfield. The mythmaking about our 'weak midfield' has been absolutely insane for several years (years in which we kept winning things) and almost ranks alongside Rooney in making pretty much all media discussions about the club unbearable.
 
Signing Fellaini will definitely give Moyes new tactical options in the whole midfield department but I think there's also depth argument, which is probably also important, when we'll be trying also scoop F.A. Cup or even, so called, 'Smaller Cup', someday.

The best thing about Marouane, for me is his magical ability to hold on to the ball in situations where there's two, even three opponent players putting physical pressure on him. He really glues the ball to his chest and feet and using his strength in the right direction far more times than just elbowing other player like some sceptics like to say... not to mention a very solid technique when it comes to operating in the tight spaces.

He offers various sets of skills, depends how Moyes will put him in the formation. Attacking, defensive, box-to-box... he's pretty much capable of playing everywhere and looks ready for a bit bigger stage, in the age of 25.

When we're talking about Everton, we're talking about a side that despite the low budget is extremely stable and what's more important, slightly progressing, every year with the consistency and one of the main keys to that is no doubt, Marouane Fellaini.

I always wondered what was Sir Alex's take on this player. I don't believe, through all these years, he didn't notice his afro ninja abilities.
 
After drawing blanks with previous targets.... can we now get this ninja before we play Chelsea?
 
Disagree that he's a consistent ball winner. He'll win the ball at times but he's also beaten too easily at times. He'll foul a lot to break up play but thats not winning the ball.
You're overrating his ability in the air. A bunch of players win it more than him even though its obviously his strength and he'd be one of our best headers
Could get 10 for us but depends on position. He's never done that from CM, not even slightly close. It was 3 in the league when he last played in midfield. Could do it from in the hole as it was 11 last season. Do we want him there?

Disagree that he lacks pace. Its fine, its just not impressive and not going to lead to him getting on the end of moves on the break and not often managing to get into the box as an extra target if we have a quick tempo. If we have a slow build up then its more likely he can be in there.
Disagree that his temperament is questionable. Its not. Its bad. He gave away the most fouls in the league when he last played in midfield for Everton, somehow only 6 yellows to show for it.
Disagree with lack of a long shot, he scored a couple last season and generally took his goals pretty well. Would probably be our best long shooter from CM, but thats probably the case with most CMs we could sign as Cleverley, Anderson, Carrick and even Giggs hardly set the bar high...

He would add aggression and power to the midfield for sure. But we've been very successful in the past without it

While we are being disagreeable, i would disagree with the very successful without aggression and power claim, and suggest we have been far more successful over a far longer period with it. :p
 
Literally cannot think of any more things unique to Belgium.

You win this round Gazza..

:D Mine only works written down though, yours is better when said out loud. Woodzy is making a late challenge with "sprouting" though fair fecks to him
 
Disagree that his temperament is questionable. Its not. Its bad. He gave away the most fouls in the league when he last played in midfield for Everton, somehow only 6 yellows to show for it.

This always amuses me. Did Scholes have a bad temperament based on the fact he was a shit tackler?
 
This always amuses me. Did Scholes have a bad temperament based on the fact he was a shit tackler?

Scholes wasn't a bad tackler, he was a gloriously dirty little player. He knew what he was doing in almost all of those 'mistimed' tackles. Love the ninja.

Re: Fellaini - I think the biggest beneficiary of the signing would be Michael Carrick. For two reasons: 1 he can get a rest without the entire team falling apart 2 imagine how happy he'll be when we lose possession, he looks over to his midfield partner and they're NOT massively out of position. (yes I'm looking at you Tom Cleverley. And you Anderson. And you Phil Jones).
 
Irrespective of whom he's going to buy, Moyes will be judged on success. If he fails to bring success on short/mid term then people will still judge his transfer signings and his football knowledge which seems limited to the EPL (whose lets face it is hardly the best league to make bargains)
Exactly. That's where he found Fellaini in the first place. I think he was playing for Fulham.
 
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